Isaac J Smith Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Lt Sekiro said: Doubs lost value => Pvp player can't buy crafted ship to crafter for doubs => Pvp player play only dlc ship => Crafter sstop sell ship = > You cry too Fact check - this happened over 6 months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Sekiro Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Isaac J Smith said: Fact check - this happened over 6 months ago Not really. Most of Pvp player buy ship ( wasa/bellona/christian/buc/ ect ect). And i don't even speak about seasonned crafted ship Every day i sell easily 10 permit, they don't buy it for nothing no? And not all player play dlc ship just for play low coast ship , personally if i play redoutable is not to have less lost , but just for play this ship ( cause all ship of the game are differente ) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaBrig Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 i think it will be a good change for everyone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekillos Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 51 minutes ago, Lt Sekiro said: Doubs lost value => Pvp player can't buy crafted ship to crafter for doubs => Pvp player play only dlc ship => Crafter sstop sell ship = > You cry too Crafted ships will also lose in price and will become much cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dekillos said: Crafted ships will also lose in price and will become much cheaper. May happen. But depends on what player sells for and what player pays for. Cheap or expensive depends on the free market. If cheaper means a player will start selling a 1 million 5th rate for 250k ... Sure. But I do not believe it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conte D. Catellani Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 45 minutes ago, Dekillos said: Crafted ships will also lose in price and will become much cheaper. I think that the new rare woods will make the new price 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrente Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Now the real will be the new doubloon. After all these years, you have not yet realized that only two forms of wealth are needed that distinguish between economic (real or doubloons) and meritorious or influential (medals or permits)?. Now the reals will be scarce when the price of the doubloon falls against the real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hadley Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Galvez88 said: this must be a dream .. will a new spanish ship arrive? maybe the montañes class? it will be a dream ... Tío por mas veces que lo repitas no lo van a poner deja de ser ya tan pesado colega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stilgar Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Good change indeed. Ships crafted from regular woods in combi with port bonuses (and rng) will be quite decent. So, crafters can engage into a bit more active rng crafting and the market will receive a decent flow of relatively inexpensive ships. Ships with good rng and S woods will be more expensive, thus allowing crafters to run a successful business. As for additional cost in reals, is that really needed? Do not forget that any ship would require modules and to getting good ones require some effort and money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnovaZdorowa Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) @admin Edited June 1, 2020 by SnovaZdorowa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Garneray Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Dekillos said: Crafted ships will also lose in price and will become much cheaper. Ships that need a permit that only drop with missions (etc) wont see any difference in price really since their rarity is in the RNG drop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Good change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christendom Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 This is a step in the right direction at least. Now let's get rid of permits and make shipcrafting dependent on various trade goods around the map as it was when the L'Ocean was first introduced (remember it needed french wine). Make trading great (necessary) again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedish Berserker Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) Again something nobody asked for lol Then change the rewards you get from PVP and loot from ships!!! The few dubs u need for Shipyard and stuff are not hard to farm so why would I loot doublons from a ship? Why would I loot dubs if i need reals to build new ships!! Again a mature change to an already released game!! @admin when do u guys realise that we are not in Beta anymore? Edited June 1, 2020 by Swedish Berserker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botq Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 The systém was working just fine. Traders made money by trading, crafters could buy dubs/combat medals/permit then craft ship and make profit, pvp was high risk with good reward. Id like to see how you will want to promote risk in pvp now. Pvp chest with loot almost same like in gold chest and few combat medals ?? Lol 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathal Brugha Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Finally something decent from @admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Sekiro Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 6 hours ago, admin said: Doubloons in shipbuilding will be removed. Please avoid overspending as ship blueprints will change this week The cost progression will be based on power that patch and will only require reals (pieces of eight) Idk what u plan for the futur by removing doubs for craft @admin, but this is one of the biggest mistake you can make... If you add next new utilty for doubs later ( something make doubs have to be used a lot) , why not. But actually the probleme is simple. You have 3 type of way to farm money in the game: Trade =Trade with goods Craft ship = Sell ship Pvp/Pve = Doubs and combat medal reward , Doubs is the real money maker Doubs in craft was a way to kick of them out of the game , and making doubs value pretty stable. If you kick of this syteme , doubs value will fall a lot, Pvp/Pve player will lost a good way to have money for buy upgrade/ship. If you can't make good value out of you pvp/pve farming , buy a good ship with doubs will not be intersting for the crafter cause he don't need anymore doubs for craft ship. Less ship will be sold, crafted economy will fall. And risk in pvp..., more good ship will just sleep in dock for a lot of player , and spamming redoutable 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Perhaps all you doubloon hoarders will still have value, as the means to pull woods from port-based clan missions might remain? Perhaps this will be the mechanism to get the new woods? I don't know, I'm just speculating of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanjo Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Barnabe123 said: This is very interesting, I'm curious to see how this will affect PvP Never used to have Dublouns just money. It worked fine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macjimm Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 54 minutes ago, Lt Sekiro said: You have 3 type of way to farm money in the game: Trade =Trade with goods Craft ship = Sell ship Pvp/Pve = Doubs and combat medal reward , Doubs is the real money maker Perhaps there are more than 3 ways to farm money, or other methods are just sub-categories of 3 basic ways. Trade with other players = PvP Trade Sell; Resources, Notes, Blueprints, Upgrades*, Books, Cannons, Reals, Doubloons, Repairs by order. PvP trade. Trade by Contract in Ports Buy: Resources, Notes, Blueprints, Upgrades*, Books, Cannons, Reals, Doubloons, Repairs and sell at a higher price by contract. May involve transport. Delivery missions High yield of Reals when Doubloon reward is sold - 1/2 million + Reals for 1 TBRig full of Cargo Boring and grindy Shop Trades Buy port shop Goods at a low price, transport them, and then sell them at a high price. Boring and grindy Cannons and Repairs PvP Trade Make/buy Repairs and.or Cannons and sell them by placing contracts, or by trade to players These are the only craftable PvP trade items left * Upgrades can be be quazi-crafted, but some ingedients must be bought or obtained by chance. Ship Sales Buy cheap ships, transport them to capital, or shipbuilding port, and sell them in auction for higher price. Capture ships, and sell them by auction. Craft ships and sell them Hire a shipwright to craft ships and sell them PvP/PvE whatever .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Sekiro Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, Macjimm said: Perhaps there are more than 3 ways to farm money, or other methods are just sub-categories of 3 basic ways. Trade with other players = PvP Trade Sell; Resources, Notes, Blueprints, Upgrades*, Books, Cannons, Reals, Doubloons, Repairs by order. PvP trade. Trade by Contract in Ports Buy: Resources, Notes, Blueprints, Upgrades*, Books, Cannons, Reals, Doubloons, Repairs and sell at a higher price by contract. May involve transport. Delivery missions High yield of Reals when Doubloon reward is sold - 1/2 million + Reals for 1 TBRig full of Cargo Boring and grindy Shop Trades Buy port shop Goods at a low price, transport them, and then sell them at a high price. Boring and grindy Cannons and Repairs PvP Trade Make/buy Repairs and.or Cannons and sell them by placing contracts, or by trade to players These are the only craftable PvP trade items left * Upgrades can be be quazi-crafted, but some ingedients must be bought or obtained by chance. Ship Sales Buy cheap ships, transport them to capital, or shipbuilding port, and sell them in auction for higher price. Capture ships, and sell them by auction. Craft ships and sell them Hire a shipwright to craft ships and sell them PvP/PvE whatever .... When i say 3 type its for simple answer. You just want explain something everyone understand already.... Trade with good = Book , canon , upgrade , trade item, chest , wood Craft ship= I speak about the real sell of ship , cap and sell a ship is like sell a goods Pvp/pve = Reals drope , upgrade , ship capped , doublon , chest mission 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckleUpBones Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Finally, rolling back patch 27! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) Can we at least get some reasoning for this change? Or is any major mechanic/part of the game just down to be changed at a moments notice at the whim of the devs? After people farm thousands of wood chest for port upgrades, 1 year later you're going to make it so the upgrades don't need wood chests too? So nice to waste all the time of the most dedicated players. If doubloon prices are too high, it would be 100 times better to add more doubloons as rewards. Why not make port raids actually viable? the community asked for those rewards to be made much higher since their introduction and you didn't want to listen. Why not double doubloon rewards from pvp? The community also asked for some doubloons to be automatically given as loot into the ship hold/money chest on a pvp kill which could even double the pvp rewards. Why not add trade missions that reward a trader that moves x goods from port a to port b with 10 000 doubloons? Which guess what, it was also suggested by the community months ago. Why not add doubloon rewards to kill missions/hunt missions/pvp missions? You do things like this and then wonder why your game keeps getting bad reviews. Edited June 1, 2020 by Never 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conte D. Catellani Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) i'm looking with interest at what will be the other changes in the ships blueprints Edited June 1, 2020 by Conte D. Catellani 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hittings Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 maybe make all permits purchasable with doubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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