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  1. Hethwill

    Tagging BR

    Curve to determine capacity of tagging or not is not only BR but also numbers involved. For a 1 tag on 1, 4 times the BR. 1 tagging 7 i think might be "impossible" no matter the BR involved as it leans more on the "numbers inolved" side of the curve.
  2. Hethwill

    Cannons required for tag

    Maybe no tag possible if intended target is behind the 3 to 9 o'clock relative position line ? So, only possible is intended target is front of that line ?
  3. Hethwill

    Cannons required for tag

    I get it. Still don't get it... There's better ways to reformulate the tag. And dmg %% related to rate difference is one of them. so ... yeah... whatever
  4. Hethwill

    Cannons required for tag

    What's a full complement of guns ?
  5. Hethwill

    BR and pb ships

    Yacht -or- crafted Cutter
  6. Some of the most terrifying battles of the age of sail weren't between the big fleets or the big sisters the frigates. By statistical comparison the amount of casualties was always higher at the 6th rate encounters, and lower unrate, where tallies of 40 plus wound and dead are not uncommon. If we remember that many Brig-sloops-of-war or brig sloops had a crew of 120 roughly, including officers and marines, so forty hands is a third. They had a nominal crew of 120-130, and was not a rated ship in the Royal Navy, being just below the 20 guns of the sixth-rated smallest frigates. This meant that typically only a mid level commissioned officer (Commander) would be in charge, – sometimes a senior Lieutenant, but never a post-Captain, – for this the ship was too small. In addition to the Captain, the complement would typically be: two Lieutenants, a few midshipmen, the Master, the Surgeon, the Purser, and the ships’s standing warrant officers, the Carpenter, the Gunner, and the Boatswain. Plus about 15-20 Royal Marines (RM), commanded by a Sergeant RM. Adding the ratings brings the crew up in 120-130 count range. But isn't only the casualties that make these unrated vessels notorious in every aspect of the age of sail. Their flexibility to suit multiple roles was unparalleled and they would fit all roles really, apart from standing in a line of battle. Our vessel of today's (his)story had been assigned the task of attacking signal fortresses all along the coast. This requires excellent seamanship, civil connections, leadership and above all, daring and gallantry facing danger. But the story doesn't involve land parties nor the destruction of land facilities. Year is 1808 and near Cape Trafalgar, May 7th at daybreak. HMS Redwing, Thomas Ussher captain. 98 men and boys aboard. With the Cape bearing at WNW and six miles out, a Royal Navy vessel sights, along the shore, a group of 19 sail, seven armed and 12 trade vessels. The British vessel, the brig-sloop Redwing, equipped with 16 carronades, of 32 pounders, and two long sixes for chase, sailing with very light winds and turning often did approach the enemy formation which she didn’t do before 7AM at which point both parties were within point blank. The Spanish handed the sails, formed close and arrayed in a well formed line and closed distance to the Redwing, no doubt with intentions of boarding her. The guns arrayed against the British were fearsome; two schooners of 60 men each and each equipped with two long 24 pounder and two long 8 pounders, assisted by gunboats. Number 3, of 35 hands, packing two long 24s and one long 36. Number 6, of 40 hands and one long 24 and finally number 107, being the weakest, handed with 35 souls and fitted with two long 6 pounder. Add a mistico of four 6 pounders and a felucca of four long 3 pounders. Total count of the Spanish line, 22 guns, of which 7 were 24s on top of the 36 pounder, and roughly 271 men. We must see this as it is, the sheer difference of shot weight may not seem much but while the British captain had to always engage close, the Spanish could effectively blast her out of the water from afar given their fearsome long cannon. But, as noted in the Naval Chronicle… “(...) Nowise daunted, notwithstanding, the Redwing endeavoured also to close, in order to decide the business quickly, and, if possible, to secure the merchantmen.” Captain Thomas Ussher ordered ball and bags of musket ball to be loaded in all the carronades. Each bag contained perchance some 500 musket balls in addition to the regular solid heavy shot. At pistol range this decision proved terrifyingly effective. Plus commanded the vessel to sweep behind the enemy and cut any option to proceed leeward. So, with the Redwing closing in and the Spanish escort lined closing the distance, the stage was set for a very violent battle. A chance encounter in, otherwise, empty sea. The Diligente , the Spanish commander ship, followed by the Boreas and the rest of the line, Ussher did order, to further encourage the Spanish to come close and try to board, the boarding netting to be hauled down and “the crew ordered to give three hearty cheers”. No firing orders were to be given until pistol shot. Discipline facing such odds was paramount and there was no leeway allowed for error with the forces arrayed against them. Then she opened with everything she got, with the gun crews training the guns as close to the waterline as possible. The Diligente was struck with such ferocity that the proved open fore and aft and went down with all hands after giving in with two heavy rolls. The Boreas had exactly the same fate, hit with such violent charges from the Redwing. At pistol shot range the carronades simply proved their worth as long as discipline could be held. At 9AM gunboats tried to make it for the coastline, panicking and in total disarray. But this decision proved fatal as they wrecked in the surf and all hands perished along with the helpless wounded. It is of note that the Redwing wasn’t untouch at all. Two 24 pound shot had cut through her fore mast, one through the main mast and another through the gammoning of the bowsprit, this on top of several other shot that had hit her and wounded on seaman. Most casualties recorded on the Redwing actually happened outboard, when Captain Ussher sent own boat to attempt to rescue the spanish crews from drowning, mainly the gunboat crews but sadly none could be rescued, but during the entire battle the boat crew suffered the one death recorded, seaman, with slightly wounded Master John Davis, purser Robert Horniman, and the previously slightly wounded seaman on the Redwing that now was on the boat, got his state worsened, listed as seriously wounded. The merchantmen, watching the whole chaos unfold, tried to disperse, with four lost in a combination of further shooting from the Redwing and crashing into shoreline surf. Seven vessels were captured, with the mistico included in the tally. Gunboat 107 and the felucca made well their escape. It is of note, on a more strategic point of view, that this action happened in the 7th of May 1808 and Spanish is allied with Napoleon’s France. Four days before a event happened that History would forever record as the El Tres de Mayo, immortalized by Goya. Of note: At the same time we see the enemies trying to defeat each other, but also see the efforts made by them to save as many lives as possible once victory was achieved, with Thomas Ussher sending boat to the rescue of the shipwrecked spanish crews. ------------------------ ( The Naval History of Great Britain from the Declaration of War by France in 1793 to the Accession of George IV, & A naval biographical dictionary: comprising the life and services of every living officer in Her Majesty's navy, from the rank of admiral of the fleet to that of lieutenant, inclusive & other assorted sources, including Dawlish chronicles, where i first found the story, Outrage at Sea book, Fitzwilliam Museum and Orders and Medals Society of America )
  7. No idea. Last time we had testbed the rewards were in redeemables on live server after the full patch deployment. That's all i know.
  8. You didn't look at the date of the post you quoted @Thonys...
  9. If i'm not mistaken they should be awarded same as last time, when patch is deployed live.
  10. Hethwill

    14th February, 1797, battle Cape St. Vicent.

    Yes, that's entirely the point Of course now we look back to a certainty that it was "the right choice at the right moment" but ... what if...
  11. Hethwill

    Naval Action Meme collection

    National News Caribbean News recent threads in live motion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNKHbwcLa0g
  12. "That's right Sir John, and, by God, we'll give them a damn good licking!" Memoirs of Admiral the Right Hon[orabl]e the Earl of St. Vincent link That's how enthusiastic the fleet under Jarvis was on that dawn of the 14th February upon receiving report after report after report of sails being counted bearing on the British fleet position. From eight, to twenty, to twenty five, then two more, and finally it was enough. The time had come to engage. A lot of details make up a battle, and Nelson's exploits are nonetheless just a part of it and shouldn't take the spotlight. The British line was nicely arrayed, Cordoba's wasn't. They (the Spanish) weren't expecting a fleet but merely the initial squadron, barely a third of their strength. Furthermore it was split, by design of the sea and wind, in two groups. And still, despite the glorified outcome, was a close run contest, but details and tactical decisions of officers on each of the individual ships eventually made or break the battle. For example, the Colossus got put out of battle for two hours after one broadside from the Principe de Asturias which wrecked her tops during the column tack. For two hours the crew repaired however they could the rigging, basically changing tops to one mast below. When she was done it was just to serve as a spectator. Or the HMS Culloden, a 74 gun, that with such lively and accurate fire into the Principe de Asturias, 112(?), put her off and turning to less exposed position. All in all the ships couldn't simply crash into each other. Cordoba decision that it was too late to wear across the fore of the British line surely represents how dangerous ships crashing into each other could be and seeing no time nor space ( they would wear right into the wind on the back ) they decide to continue course, which eventually put them in a irrecoverable position as the British line tacked. Still the Spanish under Moreno did make the right decision - break the enemy line at the tack point. In itself a grand feat to figure out where that exact point was. Those little details, if didn't happen could, or would balance the outcome to one side or the other. During the engagement frigates and sloops-of-war did fire into a ship of the line, the Oriente, and were returned the favour with the Spanish commander dubbing them "impertinent small fry". Nonetheless is just a mere distraction. No big resulting damage, just ragged high shot from the spanish batteries. But it shows how aggressive the British felt that day. Of course the battle was settled and heroic deeds happened once the main Spanish division was caught up. Interesting to note that the wind kept light during the entire engagement. In Spain, Cordoba and a number of his senior officers were arrested and court-martial-ed. The commander of the fleet was stripped of his rank, forbidden to appear at court, and exiled from Madrid and its vicinity. In sharp contrast with its harsh condemnation of the aristocratic officers, the court made a very unusual statement of praise for an enlisted man of humble origins, the marine grenadier Martin Alvarez. It is a story to pursue for those interested. One of the most interesting big fleet actions of the Revolutionary/Napoleonic wars. Of course fellows, add all you want about the battle itself. Happy 14th February.
  13. Hethwill

    Using Doubloons to remove upgrades

    Every time i see folk willing to pay millions and then complain the stuff is too expensive... *chuckles*
  14. Wearing was always the "less of two evils". If i'm not mistaken 17th century orders had some explicit entries against tacking through, but the rigging evolution in a 100 years was immense. Same as the guns
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