vazco Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Serk said: Or do do you think Poland shout be denied owing a single port? Aiming for Basse Terre is clearly provocative for many. Commonwealth would do better aiming eg. at Panama, a region they traditionally owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbancourt Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Serk said: Global community rallied to prevent what was perceived as a vital threat to a disadvantaged nation in order to prevent a possible drain on the player base. "Disadvantaged nation"? France has 2 entire unconquerable islands and FIVE MORE regions beyond that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaleMemes Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Barbancourt said: "Disadvantaged nation"? France has 2 entire unconquerable islands and FIVE MORE regions beyond that. I understand, Sweden is even less powerful. However there are two things to consider. 1. Sweden wasn't being attacked by the Dutch, and if they were, the server would have been there to fight them off, including the French. In the context of the situation, (France being attacked by the Dutch with a large fleet of powerful lineships) France is a disadvantaged nation. Nobody is saying that France is the weakest nation out there, so you don't need to be defensive. But the reality is that France, not Sweden, is bordering on the Dutch and therefore the one under greatest threat right now. 2. Sweden's difficulty is listed as hardcore (or something like that) while France is listed as easy or normal. This means France will attract more 1st time players after the wipe. These players will not be skilled enough to contribute anything to RVR for several months at least, but if France knocked back to unconquerable zones and raided to death for months, many will leave. Sweden on the other hand is listed as hard, so players joining it are likely to expect more hardship, or worst case scenario they can switch to an easier nation. If they start in a supposedly normal nation and get slaughtered as they spawn each day, they are more likely to leave. So yes, Sweden is less powerful and has less territory, but that's what Sweden was advertised as to its players and they also aren't on the frontlines against the biggest threat to the Antilles. As for the whole Poland thing, I agree completely that letting them take Basse Terre is insane, as I said vocally from the moment I was told of the plan. Its not right that Sweden had no input in the plan despite being on good terms with France. The relationship with Sweden is (or was? yikes) far more valuable than anything Poland has to offer, and adding a third contender into the Antilles that are already being encroached upon from the South will only lead to more problems and weaken both France and Sweden alike. Now France and Sweden will both have to deal with Polish solo raiders right on their doorstep. Poland should have tried to find a home in the Bahamas or somewhere less crowded and contested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbancourt Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, StaleMemes said: So yes, Sweden is less powerful and has less territory, but that's what Sweden was advertised as to its players and they also aren't on the frontlines against the biggest threat to the Antilles. Nobody is entitled to anything based on some canned game description. ("we should have it easier - it says so in the rules") If the Dutch wanted to park in front of Fort-Royal they could easily do that regardless of Bridgetown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbancourt Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 The title of this thread should be changed to the more appropriate "Sweden under attack", to reflect what's really going on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbancourt Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Liberalism said: We tried to stay peaceful with Swedes for the most of the time, while they tried to stop us at all cost. Now the Swedes try to take revenge on the French. They just earned 2 very unhappy neighbours. You know they only reason they invited you there was to make war on Sweden. So, we are at war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaleMemes Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 31 minutes ago, Liberalism said: corrected that for you. I don't WANT you to go after the Swedes?!? I want the Swedes and French to work together to fight off the Danes from the north and the Dutch from the south. But it looks like that ship has been torpedoed before it could even cast off its moorings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o Barão Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Interesting to see this post now The Bridgetown operation was a major Dutch cohesion test to see what we were capable to do together and to understand our communication problems, and there are some problems. Many different clans with players from many nations lead to some problems, however it was very good experience . Now we know what needs to improve and will do what it needs to solve our issues. To the French players , understand it was decided by the Dutch council in the day we raised hostility that we wouldn't go for Bridgetown. It isn't our intention to kill a nation already in the first weeks. This is a game with shit balance mechanics ( blame the devs , not the players ) but we are looking to do RvR , and have FUN doing that against opponents in the same league. Now I must add it was very interesting to us see how the other nations/clans behaved , specially the BAIT clan. Interesting to know, when we already had discarded "La Navasse". 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glitterbeard Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) Don't know why people keep mentioning the BAIT Clan like we've done something of significance in the area lol. All we did was go over to Aves to farm PvE then we helped the Poles since they asked for our help and given they had no port it only seemed the nice thing to do. We've been tagged by the Swedish constantly but -we're- the aggressors apparently?? Don't know how that works but alright. We jumped into one Swedish hostilities against Point-a-Pitre only to find they were all dying to AI anyway lol so we didn't even do anything there. Then the French -asked- us to come and help screen at Bridgetown so we did. But no, of course we're some giant arbiter of alliances in this area for sure, we're not here just to farm PvE for our new members, nope. /s Also, can the Dutch please at least have the decency to not lie about La Navasse, we both know you're gonna go for it. Also, it's not a BAIT port. Edited July 1, 2019 by Glitterbeard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Crowns Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 21 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said: Some mod removed it..... lies. my profile pic is still the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HachiRoku Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Thonys said: Let it be a warning to the french leaders the Dutch will not allow unfriendly enemy ports in their surrounding water ( or any other nation ...for free) also the port BT must be closed or otherwise the PB fleet will not stop at the gate of mercy again. in the past we had good relations with some french and it kept the peace for what is was but now, if you spill the wine we will not drink it from the tray because you like it that way. Dutch have never been in the position to make demands. Dutch nation has always been trash. Even pelasgus or whatever his name was, was a complete useless port battle leader. Look how France survived again. Just shows how incompetent you as a nation and as pvpers are. Vive LA France and king Louis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam121252 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just now, History said: Dutch have never been in the position to make demands. Dutch nation has always been trash. Even pelasgus or whatever his name was, was a complete useless port battle leader. Look how France survived again. Just shows how incompetent you as a nation and as pvpers are. Vive LA France and king Louis! you see by this post that you dont play at the moment cus we decided not to go so what you just said is full bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meraun Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, History said: Dutch have never been in the position to make demands. Dutch nation has always been trash. Even pelasgus or whatever his name was, was a complete useless port battle leader. Look how France survived again. Just shows how incompetent you as a nation and as pvpers are. Vive LA France and king Louis! The French surviving yesterday had nothing to do with the French.... more with the 25 Russian screening your Ass.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbin Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Meraun said: The French surviving yesterday had nothing to do with the French.... more with the 25 Russian screening your Ass.. And Brits, Danes, Sweedes and Polish to be precise So the 10-12 Dutch Ratt and Wasa fleet that came from South suddenly turned away and disapeared.....probably a communication problem in Dutch nation for this training exercise where the PB was not meant to be played.... VP organization was clearly a success but can be improved and gain efficiency by not sending ships. if it was not your intention, then I can report you have a communication problem between clans, if it can help Edited July 1, 2019 by Forbin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karpfanger Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 36 minutes ago, History said: .... Even pelasgus or whatever his name was, was a complete useless port battle leader ... sign .... but there were and there are good and honourable Dutch players with whom I enjoyed sailing and fighting ... both as opponents and allies ... btw ...my salute to all ARSEs ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landomatic Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I've missed you all. Full Release treating everyone well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Texas Sir Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 hours ago, King of Crowns said: lies. my profile pic is still the same. I actually read that as you signature pic, that is why I said some mod removed it, this why you don't post while half a sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbin Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 As we say in France: "Impossible is not French". Giving the hand to an "impossible nation" could be a way for them to get a real allie : Meanwhile Bridge PB, their last week allie (aka Sweedes) were trying to flip Point-à-Pitre....no comment.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas97Austria Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 That's the cool thing about war. It's all about business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas97Austria Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Frustrated Österreicher? ( Austrians). Join pirates and all problems are solved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thonys Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 1 hour ago, History said: Dutch have never been in the position to make demands. Dutch nation has always been trash. Even pelasgus or whatever his name was, was a complete useless port battle leader. Look how France survived again. Just shows how incompetent you as a nation and as pvpers are. Vive LA France and king Louis! "Even pelasgus or whatever his name was, was a complete useless port battle leader. " Hmm.... very disrespectful..and it shows your true face. you take that back captain.! we the dutch are the only one who can hate him because he send us to the frontline you on the other hand can only be respectful to our navy leaders. shame on you for insulting our former pb leaders who can not defend themselves. ps. He was the leader of the port battle of cartagena de india , it seems you forgot. or where in a tavern with some guys playing tik tak to . besides that i liked the captain very much as a person and as a captain. it's a shame he is not around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornelis Evertsen de Oude Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 The Dutch are this, the Russians are so.. French are this and the Brits or Danish..well they are that.. Weird, cause the Russians were Danes, the Dutch were Brits. Frech and Spanish, they behaved like this and after release they became Russians so now they are different people overnight?!? We all have a common interest, playing a naval game. And a pretty good one imo. This game has no RvR content unless we make it. 2 days ago Bridgetown was being raised to check a few things and in the end content was made. The French could have lost an important port, and made this forum post. The Dutch answered by NOT taking the port. Not because of screeners, but because the French had a good argument. If the Dutch would defeat the French, they would lose a part of the playerbase. Which we still need. And that's a pretty valid argument. Now some peeps, who like to judge others, but lack self critism, are often the first to blame others, in which they where the blame in the past. Even before the port was taken. Some here knew why Bridgetown was raised,and you didn't. Don't make assumptions, cause these are the mother off all hello kitty ups. People don't think alike. So he who thinks he knows, by thinking the way he thinks himself is the way others must think aswell. Is therefor an idiot. Let's just make this game fun. And make content. To defeat a nation is making a smaller playerbase, thus making this game less interresting. But hey, all for the win. So you can sleep a winner.. I for one, loved the French/Dutch battles in the past. That was amazing content. So I hope, the French will develop a healthy playerbase and have fun playing this game. Instead of winning this game in forum. Vive la France en Oranje boven o7 Cornelis 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Farseer Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 10 hours ago, Thonys said: Let it be a warning to the french leaders the Dutch will not allow unfriendly enemy ports in their surrounding water ( or any other nation ...for free) also the port BT must be closed or otherwise the PB fleet will not stop at the gate of mercy again. in the past we had good relations with some french and it kept the peace for what is was but now, if you spill the wine we will not drink it from the tray because you like it that way. Quite ironic seeing the leader of a two man clan passing out warning on behalf of a whole nation... but I guess it is easy for you as you will not be bearing the load, should enemies come knocking. (in case anyone is wondering who that will be: X, CABAL, SNOW and, depending on time zone, WO will be). It was indeed to some degree pity that made us call off Bridgetown. The other part of it being that it was mainly a test to see how well different dutch clans can work together. What we learned during hostility was enough to first optimise some stuff before further endeavours 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thonys Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, DesMoines said: can you understand this? Swedish are Frauleines….Dutch are Frauleines… That s the sames clans….Frustrated Deutsch and Osterreich. From the launch of this game...Dutch Luv Swedish… Swedish Luv Dutch… ils sont amoureux quoi. C'est les memes clans qui font du yoyo entre la hollande et la suede. Ils ont toujours tout fait pour rayer la nation France de la carte….Mais ils sont pas devenu bons pour autant…. Sont toujours là à crier au loup….blablabla JAJAJAJA …. Ils ont vu qu'attaquer la France que d'un coté ...il y arrivaient pas… Ils ont alors tenté des deux cotés en meme temps en s'installant chez les Suedois (pseudo Black Friday)...Ils sont que toxics...mais loins d'etres bons. Laissez les donc parler...ils ne font que ca depuis des centaines d'années...il faut bien que l'eau suive son cours hein 😛 How disrespectful to say we are poison... you say:" we bark " and all are jojo s. And blablabla jajaja .. some never left the nation , so to who are you talking to ? >>or are you talking to the french privateers who changed enemies s sides ?? the french showed their true face ! you invited your enemies , you become very unreliable . we also saw things we did not expect like BAIT ( unreliable now (?) now thats what will have a tale of its own.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarosa Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Forum drama and PvP is priceless. However, it should not prevent us from seeing the real problem: Bad RvR design. Reduction to one port was not that big issue till introduction of port bonuses. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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