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  1. Thonys

    Reverse Crying in the Stream

    in that case, don't talk about us. we have nothing to do with your quarrel. I and the nation will be/want to be left out of it.
  2. Thonys

    Reverse Crying in the Stream

    you only met the home guard that's all. it has nothing to do with fun or annoyed or whatever. at that moment you were the hunted for the slaughter. and that was it basically.. many have gone before you, .its just a tactic...
  3. Thonys

    Reverse Crying in the Stream

    Ahum ... who are you calling noobs ...even a dutch Jonker is not a noob. and you sunk? and we were not annoyed! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- go fight both in a mercury (both) and the stake is 5000 dubloons and don't make ridiculous bets
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    OCB / PEC Griefing

    just like i thought ... a tactical action ...
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    Zevene Proven 1723

    Zevene Proven [1513 Tonnage] source found on the internet would it not be great to have this ship in the game? its a india man by Chapman (?~ not sure ) and also a 74 gunner suited in the navy for the dutch something about the name it is called the zevene proven (what is a french name for the ship ) and it is also the name for the 7 th provence groningen and Ommelande because it was the 7th province to become the republic .(all the provinces had their own number) it was a ship from the admiralty of the seventh province GRONINGEN , at that time the provinces had a number in this case the 7 th province was( Provincie) Groningen and Ommelande about the ship: it seems that it was 1150 burden At the VOC, a load in the 17th century was about 1250 kg, later rising to 2000 kg. [1] From comparative tables follows: 1 last = 1926 kg. Later the load was replaced by weight ton: 1000 kg load capacity. 1150 m3 x 1.250 =1438 tons (?) or 1150x1.926= 2214 tons (?) Tonnage: In 1678 Thames shipbuilders used a method assuming that a ship's burden would be 3/5 of its displacement. Since tonnage is calculated by multiplying length × beam × draft × block coefficient, all divided by 35 ft³ per ton of seawater, the resulting formula would be: where: Draft is estimated to be half of the beam. Block coefficient is based on an assumed average of 0.62. 35 ft³ is the volume of one ton of sea water.[2] Or by solving : = 1513 tonnage In 1694 a new British law required that tonnage for tax purposes be calculated according to a similar formula: This formula remained in effect until the Builder's Old Measurement rule was put into use in 1720, and then mandated by Act of Parliament in 1773. NMM Greenwich UK collection SLR0418 Description Scale: 1:33. A contemporary full hull model of the 'Zeven Provincien' [ wrong categorized by the museum] its mechant ( zevene proven)(french pronounced name french language time era) (1723), a Dutch East Indiaman cargo vessel, built plank on frame. Model is decked, equipped and fully rigged (modern). At this scale the ship measured 147 feet along the deck by 44 feet in the beam and an approximate tonnage of 1150 burden. Although this model cannot be identified to a ship bearing this name, it is one of seven of the period 1715-1725 that are among the earliest representations of merchant ships in existence. The Dutch East India Company was founded in 1598 to open up trade with India and the Far East. Other countries had similar fleets operating around the world from the 17th-19th centuries, and as such had to be armed against attack from pirates or the enemy during times of conflict. The ships were generally ‘fully built’ with large holds for carrying cargo and provisions for many weeks. They carried an armament similar in size to that of a warship but with a much smaller crew. https://buccaneersreef.com/2017/09/18/models-of-the-week/ I thought it was about time I post something here again – especially considering all of the incredible models I’ve come across in the last couple years. I have always been fascinated by ship evolution and development over time. This is a subject that is both incredibly and meticulously researched in certain time periods and practically ignored in others. Take the last quarter of the 18th century into the first quarter of the 19th – an era where very little can be added in research because of the mountainous volumes of literature on the subject for the last two centuries. I guess this is one of the reasons I find it somewhat boring. There is no doubt that maritime architects had honed their science and art to their apex and achieved efficiency and beauty captured in hundreds of sleek designs that are the epitome of simplicity. I do not begrudge those who enjoy this era their favored subject of study, I just believe that they have become garden variety scholars in their discipline. I see this among historians constantly – a historian who is an expert on one single decade or war, and mostly ignorant of everything else before or after. To me one cannot be an expert in anything unless they understand the full context of the firmament that their favored area of study fits into. My last decade in the military I became so sick of military officers who believed they had a little historical knowledge making fun of French military prowess. This has always been one of my pet peeves – something that sets me off so to speak. I knew I had fully matured when I would laugh off the comments and move along without a response, but knowing what sort of idiot I was dealing with. When I was younger, I would go into an Aspergers dissertation on French military history and achievement and how many of those key developments not only contributed to modern warfare as a whole, but also to our own military’s development and evolution. I digress, but will say that my examination of Chapman has always been kind of a secondary (somewhat dry) pursuit/study when instead I could choose to peruse the many works including illustrations and commentary from Landstrom, Pett, Deane, Witsen, or Cornelius van Yk. I remember discovering Landstrom’s many illustrated works as a boy. I have them all now and most are out of print. I was overjoyed in reading them. Not only did Landstrom research the history of European exploration, he also paid particular attention to the ships. His landmark work “THE SHIP” is still one of my favorites to browse through. I have used the illustrations and examples and his meticulous notes to find the original sources of the figures. There are so many of these that it could send one on the journey of a lifetime. Landstrom did such a wonderful job in this work of noting subtle changes in shape, form and architecture over time. However, he still missed quite a number of evolving developmental changes which I contend are both mentionable and significant. In my continually expanding manuscript on Piracy: A Story of European Expansion, I have dedicated an entire very lengthy chapter on ship evolution from the mid 16th through first quarter of the 18th century. I trace the evolution of the sailing frigate much further back than most modern authorities do. I document the evolution of the galleon form into the 18th century as I gave a taste of in my recent Galleons for Dummies post. One of the reasons I started our modeling contest here was in the hopes I could actually find people who want to be challenged by something different – not the usual easily obtainable late era plans (“low hanging fruit”), and tired ole Chapman. But only a handful have stepped up to show any interest. I am guessing that this may be due to Naval Action continuing to encourage all modelers to churn out easily managed garden variety models. Guess the pay out must be good. Oh well. We will keep going with our own and see what happens. With all of the above in mind, I present to you a model of the Zevene Proven of 1723 which can be found (but not on current display) within the large NMM Greenwich UK collection. They have incorrectly labeled the ship the Zeven Provincien (or Seven Provinces). This name is particular to warships and what we have here is NOT a warship. The ship is from an antiquated Dutch notation that contemporaries of that time would have instantly recognized as Zeven(d)e Proven(z) (The Seventh Province). In other words, she was a trading ship – a Dutch East Indiaman from the 7th province of Groningen and Ommelande (yes the provinces had numbers assigned to them). I find this ship simply fascinating in every way. The old retourschip design is now long gone and she is now a clearly recognizable “Indiaman” class ship. When she was built, the glorious age of piracy had less than a decade left before its end. YES she is indeed new when comparing her to her earlier galleon-esque sisters (many of which would have still been seen surviving and working the seas – sailing in and out of all of the world’s great ports during her own first decade at sea). She is lower, more simply decorated, her stern has been cut down and her lines are more modern, HOWEVER – just look at all of the earlier era’s influence and design cues in her construction. Yes her decoration is less and arranged in the now popular wide rounded-top tafferel/taffrail. However, it is still much more significant than that found on ships just a decade later. Also note the gilding and sculptural forms – clearly more at home on her earlier sisters than upon her sisters yet to be built. In many ways she is the last of her kind in this respect. She also still has a “galleon-esque” flat tucked “notch back” stern instead of the rounded dove-tailed sterns popularly seen on other Indiamen built by other nations (French/English) at around this same time. While she may be lower and her stern cut down, she still has a noticeable difference in vertical height from her much lower waist in comparison to a significantly higher foc’sle, quarter-deck, and poop. One could almost get away with calling her a galleon and some architects would even argue that SHE IS. Variety is the spice of life my friends. I would welcome such a ship in Eras. I bring you these awesome pictures for education and your consideration. I love vanilla. But I love Vanilla and Chocolate even more. What’s that? You say that Baskin Robbins has 84 flavors! Damn – I’m goin man – as long as no one messes everything up and mixes all the flavors up into ice cream slurry! MK
  6. feedback, @admin the last copple of days i have encountered some battles with high ranked captains in 5th and 4 rates who use the determined defender as a weapon of denial when an LGV is shot his sail down to below 49 % and the lgv comes almost to a stop where boarding speed is reached, but the ships of the enemy is not willing to board but just sink the trader. the only hope for the trader is to board the other vessel but is denied by the determined defender. 1. i want to propose a solution for rage boarding by only make the determined defender useable for the 7 rates and 6 rates > for the 5 rates and up it (determined defender) is not useable anymore. proposal .2 also, it should not be a perk of the officer anymore, but a 19500 balloons note from the Admiralty for only 7/6 rates.(here you see how high i value this cheat)
  7. Thonys

    blame prussia

    but but, we have cheese and gin and beer and beerenburg and Grietje
  8. ask him he will tell you a other story this is what i call a HONORABLE fighting captain .. no DD chitty cheat.
  9. Thonys

    blame prussia

    Queen of the Netherlands put some oil on the british cettle and not germany? WILHELMINA van PRUISEN, born Frederika Louise Wilhelmina (born Potsdam 18-11-1774 - eds. Den Haag 12-10-1837), through her marriage Queen of the Netherlands. Daughter of Frederick William II von Hohenzollern (1744-1797), King of Prussia, and Frederika Louise van Hessen-Darmstadt (1751-1805). Wilhelmina of Prussia married 1-10-1791 in Berlin with Willem Frederik (1772-1843), heir prince of Oranje-Nassau. From this marriage 2 sons and 2 daughters were born, of whom 1 young died; 2 children were born dead. Youth and marriage Princess Wilhelmina (Mimi for intimates) was the fourth child from a family of eight children. The upbringing of the children was dominated by the strict regime of Wilhelmina's great uncle, Frederick the Great of Prussia. Little is known about Wilhelmina's education than she was taught in various languages, crafts and painting. As a girl she was known for her beauty and loveliness. In 1791 Wilhelmina married in Berlin with her nephew Willem Frederik, the hereditary prince of Oranje-Nassau. The marriage had been arranged and was part of a political agreement to boost the face of the House of Orange-Nassau in a weakened Republic. However, this did not alter the fact that there was also a marriage that was concluded on the basis of personal affection. After the wedding, the princely couple moved into the Oude Hof at the Noordeinde in The Hague. Wilhelmina gave birth to her first child, Willem Frederik George Lodewijk, on 6 December 1792, the later King William II. Exile In January 1795, after a four-year stay in the Republic, Wilhelmina flew out to England together with her in-laws, because of the French invasion. Four months later she gave birth to a dead child. A year later, Wilhelmina arrived together with her son in Berlin. She was back in the circle of her Prussian family, where her husband was also staying, who had joined the Prussian-French alliance in 1795. On February 28, 1797, Willem Frederik Karel was born. Both her daughters also saw the light of day in Berlin: on 1 March 1800 Wilhelmina Frederika Louise Pauline Charlotte, and on 9 May 1810 Wilhelmina Frederika Louisa Charlotte Marianne. After the Treaty of Amiens in 1802, Wilhelmina and Willem Frederik received, via Willem V, among others, the principality of Fulda, with which they joined the German Reich as German royal couple. They held court in Fulda and spent the winter months in Berlin. In 1804 they bought, with the help of the brother of Wilhelmina, since 1797 King Frederick William III of Prussia, the so-called 'Niederländischen Palais' or the palace 'Unter den Linden' in Berlin, where Wilhelmina and Willem Frederik from now on held their own court. With the death of his father, Willem Frederik became head of the Orange dynasty in 1806. Wilhelmina and her husband could only continue their regal status in their own palace in Berlin for a few winters. By the abolition of the Prussian-French alliance in 1806, Wilhelmina was again forced to flee the French troops, while she was just recovering from a miscarriage. After wandering, Wilhelmina finally arrived with her children at the estate 'Freienwalde', north of Berlin. Willem Frederik, who had fought against the French in the Prussian army, also succeeded in reaching 'Freienwalde'. On December 22, their daughter Pauline died there at the age of six. The years 1806-1810 must have been very difficult for Wilhelmina. After she had first lost her daughter, she now lost almost all their estates; Willem Frederik had only a few possessions in the Polish Posen. In May 1810 another daughter was born. After this the tide seemed to be turning slowly. In 1811 Wilhelmina came into possession of various estates in Kamenz in Silesia, about sixty kilometers south of Breslau. She bought these estates at a reasonable price from her brother and financed this with her annual money from Prussia. In 1812 she also became the owner of the smaller goods Schönjohnsdorff at Strehlin and Seitsch at Guhrau in Silesia. Everything indicated that the future of the family lay in Posen and Silesia, until the provisional government of the Dutch Republic asked Willem Frederik to accept the administration at the end of November 1813. In January 1814, Wilhelmina, as the wife of the future sovereign prince of the United Netherlands, returned William I to The Hague. Queen of the Netherlands In 1815, Wilhemina officially became Queen of the Netherlands. Until 1830 she commuted with her court between four residences: the winters were alternately spent in The Hague or Brussels, the summers on 't Loo or Laeken, With the Belgian secession in 1830 the traveling court between the Northern and Southern Netherlands came to an end . However, Wilhelmina stayed until the end of her life yearl prussia (first spoken of)is in the Netherlands not Germany or England cleves territory (upper and neder rine) is in the Netherlands origin of the prussian is in the netherlands (auch) a dictator once said "a real German you will find them only in the Netherlands." lol ...my one cent.
  10. Thonys

    blame prussia

    fear... let me tell you : i even do not want a replacement from your AI crap nation i build my own. safezone? come to us and we show you real balls. good luck to you to
  11. Thonys

    blame prussia

    yes let's fight against 50 zerg in my little snow... i bet is need a cheat won't i sorry i do not like cheats (any cheat).
  12. overruled: and when your but is raked to 150 men ? oh..before i forget was Nelson killed by a cannonball ...or by a musket bullet? the whole defender cheat is a big joke. and shout not be in the game at the first place .it a big cheat to begin with. I would say remove it entirely. ps.big boys who need a cheat it is just childish. but also that sad, i would be merciful to the 7 th and 6 rate...(only the youngsters)
  13. Thonys

    Hostility Reset every 7 days instead of 1

    i agree on that even for the players who play every day it is sometimes a surprise.. so noticeability is also a issue.
  14. Thonys

    Hostility Reset every 7 days instead of 1

    perhaps a consideration of 2 days is a possibility because of timezone issues. in this case, an urgency still exists. also, small groups have a second chance to continue the timer set time window(remember large groups have no issue setting the pb in just 1.5 hours[it is no issue for them]) mostly we do not even bother to make hostility, because of the small window we have to make the hostility. mostly hostility is made by smaller groups than what we see in captains in numbers in the PB (this is just how it is done mostly ) it is perhaps a good thing to test, to see if the hostility rises . also setting timers can be done in one day (so after mainanace a timer can still be set to focus on defending) (perhaps even an extra day when the timer is set) ps. make timer more costly {this denial cheat it feels like a joke }[hahah we have 35 million reals lol] for what is see in the Dutch nation, making hostility is already out of the question.[timewise] turmoil is first made by activists, and not by an entire army of fleets
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    Clan Docks

    i propose it different: 1 ship for every member of the clan because otherwise there will be a lot of alts who do ship stacking. 1 clan can have up to max 25 ships in docks (PB sise) clan ui interface + an open and close docks button; so players who do pb can have access to take out a ship. + a tag on ownership + a dock number (stored by XXX nr 14) + Officer + Diplo can activate the docks button. that's all we need i think.
  16. no need to buy them i will give you some .
  17. Thonys

    blame prussia

    So drunk, you all were thrown out of the Tavern? blame it on prussia
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    Clan Docks

    i count at least 5 ships in docks just an impression
  19. Thonys

    Duch nation doesn't respect deals

    Yes i will tell him, it made him very sad, he was so proud of his flagship (we did not hear him for 3 hours after) anyway perhaps a good talk to Gooser gives some more information on the rogue Dutch/Swedish (french involved ) incident. it seems there is more to it than it looks like on the forehand.
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    Duch nation doesn't respect deals

    Yes, its confusing indeed ...not only for you but also for the Dutch nation. we saw you sailing out there(3 ships) , and they (4) sailed/run away, so we thought there where more Swedish in the area . Ask gooser bht by the way do you have a screenshot of this event?
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    Game inbalances or cheating?

    that is because of the carronades if you put normal guns on it is just a normal feeling 5 rate so that ship can stay at is place
  22. Thonys

    Game inbalances or cheating?

    good proposal i think. the normal conny is a heavy frigate lo/wo what as this moment fallen into the gap of un sailable ships. (to heavy on one side, to perform well against smaller and even bigger ships) the Connie classic is sailing much better atm the Trincomalee and the Endymion can replace the 4 rate, normal Connie just a proposal: the normal 3 rate could have a dedicated fire ship bonus added to it to become the niche(brander /burner /fireship) (testing??)
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    Duch nation doesn't respect deals

    lately, a frence captain (thecaliphatestrikeback)[french] sunk dutch in our waters time on the screenshot 17.13 (we made no fuss about it.... so ...shit happens sometime) also, some more information you were attacked by the mppts clan (6) who is a clan from the Swedish nation who recently came back to sail around pampatar eria they have no contact with the nation not on discord or ts only on Swedish ts so if you want your money go to the Swedish ts to talk to them the Dutch nation has no part in your quarrel with the Swedish (dutchies) perhaps the french can better focus on the Swedish than the dutch. or blame it on forgerDLC so you see here dutch waters are dangerous for every captain it even might not be what it seems to be. ps the mppts clan does not sail traders ...so if you want to sink them use torpedos
  24. Thonys

    Game inbalances or cheating?

    i have told the defs this on the feedback of this ship specialy when using heavyer wood types but for some reason, it did not come true. and that's is months ago but the classic is working much better!
  25. Thonys

    Duch nation doesn't respect deals

    Ahoy captain Member: GDE clan: first: i saw in the video that you talked in your own chat channel they never received your message (Typing in Team) second, it is the mppts clan that clan is even unknown in our nation (?) and are not even involved in any rvr or diplomatic agreement (it seems Swedish alts) i think you ran into bad luck. i saw that you declared war upon the dutch ....... ? sorry to hear you declared war and sorry you encountered a false flag ....and of course for your ships ... we are captains of peace but we do not like threats. or is this fake news just to lure the dutch into war i think it is a deliberate war action from the side of the French! next time press M to let you have some help by the home guard (against privateers) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ( later post from you) "there is diplomacy. Do you think I would have done trade there if there was a risk of been attacked ? There are two solutions for that diplomacy crisis. " We Dutch see no crisis "-Refund me and everything is forgotten. " since you are threatening us: NO "-War" Whatever you declare will be returned..... but we where informed you do not even have a port [o.0] -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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