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Thanks to this announcement I finally found for myself the answer to below question 

 

On 3/22/2019 at 9:06 PM, kapteinsnabeltann said:

how i feel nowadays

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45 minutes ago, Socialism said:

Yea but if they aren’t a bit more OP, no one will buy them.  

That is incorrect. They just need to look nice. The aggy is a ship that would sell just because she is a work of art. The Wapen would be the worst choice ever.

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14 minutes ago, Socialism said:

If they are allowed in PBs they are P2W.  I’m fine with cosmetic DLCs.  Most games have them.  I even fine with DLC ships.  But when those ships are better than their contemporaries, just like the herc and requin were, then they are P2W by definition.  

Im even ok with a little P2W DLC content.  The devs do need to keep funding I suppose.... but we’re approaching what?  Almost 10 DLCs now for a game that wasn’t free to play and still has not been released.    Even the special early access ship promised to all of us for being loyal tester will probably end up as a DLC.  This seems excessive to me and it feels like all they are working on is DLC content to pump their loyal base dry.  Enough is enough 

wasn't that the restriction though ? Or was that what we were told before ? I have no idea as to whether DLC's are usuable in PB's so I am just asking

If they are . and then they are the best of their class, i can see your point. If not, then I wouldn't worry too much, for me it's a moot point as I won't purchase any DLc pre release for the simple reason i want to see what we are getting first

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1 minute ago, Vizzini said:

wasn't that the restriction though ? Or was that what we were told before ? I have no idea as to whether DLC's are usuable in PB's so I am just asking

If they are . and then they are the best of their class, i can see your point. If not, then I wouldn't worry too much, for me it's a moot point as I won't purchase any DLc pre release for the simple reason i want to see what we are getting first

They are allowed in PBs and the requin in particular has been ruining them since it was introduced. 

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1 minute ago, Vizzini said:

wasn't that the restriction though ? Or was that what we were told before ? I have no idea as to whether DLC's are usuable in PB's so I am just asking

If they are . and then they are the best of their class, i can see your point. If not, then I wouldn't worry too much, for me it's a moot point as I won't purchase any DLc pre release for the simple reason i want to see what we are getting first

DLC ships are allowed in Port Battles. I'd love to see a port battle fleet that doesn't use a Requin.

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Just now, Socialism said:

They are allowed in PBs and the requin in particular has been ruining them since it was introduced. 

yep ok, slippery slope scenario then

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Seriously how are u determining what goes into each rate???? As just look at the indef and constitution how they line up??? And now this I know for sure I'm not high....

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Posted (edited)

Nice that casual get bigger ships via ship DLCs. More PvP. More players.

32 minutes ago, Malachi said:

U-oh, this thread....

Could someone please enlighten me...both the Wasa- and the Gustav Adolph-class were considered 60-gun ships in the swedish Navy (and their plans say just that: 60 guns).

So how can one be a third and one a fourth rate?

because of the metric system🙂

#wedontcareaboutrates

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@admin, I am not enthused about this announcement.  You still haven't addressed the current pay to win situation with the req and herc.  Please don't ruin your game.

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so lets make the L'Hermione a DLC? Its already in game, its not even that popular of a ship, ppl hardly ever craft it, how is this not a cash grab

Possible Pandora DLC? the one possibly only reward we get for being an early tester, and you just sell it to anybody, How is it a reward if anyone can have it?

Sheez, just make all the ships DLC and make us pay to Sail them why don't ya.

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4 minutes ago, LeBoiteux said:

Nice that casual get bigger ships via ship DLCs. More PvP. More players.

because of the metric system🙂

#wedontcareofrates

It's not Casuals that buy the DLC, it's the hard core PvP players that do.  Most casuals don't want to spend a lot on a game.  They just want to pop in play and have some fun and get there 40 bucks worth.  I mean look at guys like me.  5 accounts worth about 250 dollars and I have about another 250 dollars in DLC content. I have over 9K hours in this game (mainly cause I wasn't working for a year and half) and I'm far from what one would call a casual.  Most my alts have over 4K hours.   We are the ones buying up the DLC content not the casuals and newbs.

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6 minutes ago, Routan said:

Well they may end up rather usless in Pb. Admin said last week that all permit ships will get a buff. Depend on the buff, the dlc ships  might actually end up useless when we know there BR for pb’s. How much will a herc be worth in Nassau PZ if all the permit ships get s buff of 25%?

That said I do understand ppls outrage.

DLC's should also only give you 3/5 ships, we should only be able to get better ships through physically crafting them.  Admirilitry shop ships should have the same limit too.  You can only get 3/5 ships from notes.  To get anything better the ship should be crafted in game by a player.  Thus keeping DLC/Notes not better than what can be crafted.  Some Notes/DLC should have in game BP's allowed. This is prob the best way to balance the P2W wall between these ships and the guys that don't want to pay for ships with real money.

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1 hour ago, Hethwill said:

Players that do not want to bother with crafting always welcome "ships on demand" options, so no surprise they welcome more DLC options.

BTW, rank 3 for game purposes is not the same as ship of the line 4th rate. I think everyone might be a bit confuses with the ranks at the present.

Game rank =/= RN rank

Ok then looks like a lot of work to be done based on the games rate system not historical, victory needs to be 2nd rate then as can't compete with ocean or santi, next renommee and belle poule need to be lowered to 6th rates same reason, but this in its self is stupid so we're basically just making it up as we go along not exactly the basis we were all sold on when we came on this journey. I just find it fascinating the level of rubbish that is getting chewed out and feeling like no thinking is going into these rash decisions, there are some great things announced coming soon but it seems ships are a huge problem in this game as the devs just don't know what they wanna do, leaves a very bad taste 

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39 minutes ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

 

That cause it's a freaking third rate no matter how you put it, a duck is still a duck.

 

No not really - hull structure close and length yes but everything else not so much. IRL no captain would have fought the Connie vs a 74, she was designed to run from them not fight one. Broadside weight may be closer in game but Bellona is firing far more weight in long guns for example. In game sure 4th rate makes sense, but not 3rd. 

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14 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

It's not Casuals that buy the DLC, it's the hard core PvP players that do.  Most casuals don't want to spend a lot on a game.  They just want to pop in play and have some fun and get there 40 bucks worth.

Please provide statistics that confirm that.

Those who buy are those who have the capacity (money), in particular those who work and don't have much time to grind, craft, collect, etc. and spend time in game and thus prefer to buy DLC.

14 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

I mean look at guys like me.  5 accounts worth about 250 dollars and I have about another 250 dollars in DLC content. I have over 9K hours in this game (mainly cause I wasn't working for a year and half) and I'm far from what one would call a casual.  Most my alts have over 4K hours.   We are the ones buying up the DLC content not the casuals and newbs.

'I mean look at' me. 1 account.. Casual. buying DLCs.

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Retvizan (Russian: Ретвизан) was a wooden-hulled, steam-powered, 84-gun third-rate ship of the line built for the Imperial Russian Navyin the 1850s. The ship served with the Baltic Fleet until she was stricken from the Navy Listin 1880. During that time she was deployed in the Mediterranean for two years. Her engine was removed in 1863 and Retvizan became a training ship in 1874.

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7 minutes ago, Thomas Fremantle said:

Retvizan (Russian: Ретвизан) was a wooden-hulled, steam-powered, 84-gun third-rate ship of the line built for the Imperial Russian Navyin the 1850s. The ship served with the Baltic Fleet until she was stricken from the Navy Listin 1880. During that time she was deployed in the Mediterranean for two years. Her engine was removed in 1863 and Retvizan became a training ship in 1874.

wrong ship.

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4 minutes ago, Thomas Fremantle said:

Retvizan (Russian: Ретвизан) was a wooden-hulled, steam-powered, 84-gun third-rate ship of the line built for the Imperial Russian Navyin the 1850s. The ship served with the Baltic Fleet until she was stricken from the Navy Listin 1880. During that time she was deployed in the Mediterranean for two years. Her engine was removed in 1863 and Retvizan became a training ship in 1874.

Wrong ship, like with humans names can be used over and over and over.  There are many ships that has had that name.  The one in game is a Swedish ship (think it was captured from Russia or the other way around).   The one you mention is past the 1700-1820 game time frame.

 

11 minutes ago, LeBoiteux said:

Please provide statistics that confirm that.

Those who buy are those who have the capacity (money), in particular those who work and don't have much time to grind, craft, collect, etc. and spend time in game and thus prefer to buy DLC.

I mean look at me. 1 account. Casual. buying DLCs.

 

When you go to do a shallow port battle and have over 20+ players that showed up and only a few have the DLC ships which are you hard core PvP players, while none of the casuals have bought them cause I quote, "I'm not buying a ship just to do port battles."  It's called real world expeirence.  That was what you heard most of the US port battles and screenings when trying to set up to do things.  Now the guys left actively playing have them for the most part is around 50/50, but we can't get 20+ players to show up for a PB, at most around 10.   Even than less than 25% of those have DLC's ships when you ask who has them.  That is why I'm normally taking the slot of LRQ cause not every one has it in our nation.

As for you being casuals?  You prob not as casuals as you think you are.   Casuals are guys that only log on 2-4 hours a week.  How much time you spend in this game daily/weekly?

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Posted (edited)
14 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

As for you being casuals?  You prob not as casuals as you think you are.   Casuals are guys that only log on 2-4 hours a week.  How much time you spend in this game daily/weekly?

Some weeks I play more (<15hrs), some weeks I play less but I'm a casual according to your standards if I divise my playing hours by the numbers of years since I bought the game (late 2015!).

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Those players will not be experienced enough to kill us with dlc ships anyway . And wait if the requin costs almost 20 € (estimated) , how much will cost the 3th rate ...

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1 minute ago, Thomas Fremantle said:

Those players will not be experienced enough to kill us with dlc ships anyway . And wait if the requin costs almost 20 € (estimated) , how much will cost the 3th rate ...

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3 hours ago, Teutonic said:

didn't learn a thing since the Requin I see

Maybe didn't learn but certainly did make quite a bit of cash... 

Admin reading complains about DLC ships be like:

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I only hope the game will be worth buying them all, at some point in the future. Pay2win is a concept that works only in free2play games, not one that depends on steam rating and has 40$ base price... I'm actually concerned this will turn into a quick cash grab more than a excellent mmo with a bright future.

 

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Posted (edited)

So @admin to sum up the communities reactions so far about the list of DLC ships:

  • Pandora: yay!
  • L'Hermione: eh, why not...
     
  • Rättvisan:

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Change of crafting system sounds great though 😀

Edited by Tom Farseer
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2 hours ago, McKillen said:

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That's all your honour.

sorry to pop you bubble but we never considered 4th rates lineships. In fact the expclicit promise was to not have premium 3rd rates and above.
Here is the post mentioning this in 2015 but i cannot find the original post yet.

 

 

Regarding Wasa class
Wasa is a 4th rate (its in your threedecks link too). Wasa we have in game is not Wasa, its  Chronprins Gustav Adolf (its written on the stern) and it will be renamed before release.
 

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, admin said:

sorry to pop you bubble but we never considered 4th rates lineships. In fact the expclicit promise was 3rd rates and above.
Here is the post mentioning this in 2015 but i cannot find the original post yet.

 

Regarding Wasa class
Wasa is a 4th rate (its in your threedecks link too). Wasa we have in game is not Wasa, its  Chronprins Gustav Adolf (its written on the stern) and it will be renamed before release.

Then, are we going to have 2 exactly same looking ships but one of them is a DLC?

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