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6 minutes ago, Sveteran said:

"I Will" A 4th rate is a SOL, it was built as a SOL, but of course you do what you want with the game, but you will end up with no one on the war server continuing this way

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it does not matter. You definition does not matter. because 4th rates (lineships or not) were ALWAYS planned as DLCs, And premium ships were promised from 2013!
+ game only considers 3rd rates and above lineships for event and patrol purposes. Agamemnon is a 4th rate ship of the line. And 4th rates were promised as premium ships. Which is great for those who want to pvp NOW and want to support the game.

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1 hour ago, admin said:

sorry to pop you bubble but we never considered 4th rates lineships.
 

Speaking of which, is that still a happening?

On 3/1/2019 at 6:26 PM, admin said:

We dont disagree.. - need a bit of tuning. 
i am thinking slightly reducing penenetrations for all guns. 
increasing thickness (also slightly) 
and buffing 4th rates so they can stay in line at list for a bit.
and reducing carrons accuracy
 

 

 

40 minutes ago, admin said:

No you have not. I name the ships ))) Say thank you i have not called her Forsiktigheten. Rettvisan name is picked for importance in multiple countries. 

She will carry 4th rate guns and sail like a 4th rate and will turn like a 4 rate. You can call her anything if this feature will be added.

So, let me get this straight.

We got a Wasa in game that is not a Wasa class but Gustav Adolf class and we going to get in game Gustaf Adolf class Rettvisan ship that is going to be Wasa class?

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2 minutes ago, manuva85 said:

keep having fun in the broken eco.

I thought eco was fun in itself for those so inclined? Don't look at me! I didn't get it in 2015 and I don't get it now.

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2 minutes ago, jodgi said:

I'm ready to be a container for all your anger!

I take full moral and financial responsibility.

 

I can assure you that if devs decided to go only with costumables, paints,flags,titles and such types of premiums/dlc's i would buy as many as  i could, bcs that would mean i apreciate the devs. Paying for dlc ships in early access game is ... let me say it isnt what i was signing in. Why am i suppose to pay for access to ship pay day? shouldnt gaem provide me with it wihtout going through mind numbing grind? When devs adds game mechanics just to make dlc ships an easier option. That is immoral imo. But that is mine point. 

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will the yacht get buffed as well? she's still not leader of 7th rates :(

 

can't wait to see the patch live! pandora ❤️

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3 minutes ago, manuva85 said:

I can assure you that if devs decided to go only with costumables, paints,flags,titles and such types of premiums/dlc's i would buy as many as  i could, bcs that would mean i apreciate the devs.

I'm just being practical about it. I saw the numbers for wargaming, they made peanuts off bling but sustainable cash off grind acceleration and premium tanks (also grind acceleration). I know Fortnite makes cash from bling, but what is their target audience?

9 minutes ago, manuva85 said:

shouldnt gaem provide me with it wihtout going through mind numbing grind?

We should probably take the high road and remember that some people enjoy the eco thing ;)

Eh, we probably won't see eye to eye on this Manny, but I still love you.

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15 minutes ago, Borch said:

 

We got a Wasa in game that is not a Wasa class but Gustav Adolf class and we going to get in game Gustaf Adolf class Rettvisan ship that is going to be Wasa class?

its worse. We called new ship rettvisan so we do not confuse the players with multiple renames keeping wasa (not wasa) wasa. Yet stirred the bee's nest of lineship, Wasa/Not Wasa definition police. I never thought we had so many Improved wasa class specialists here.

By the way.. Is it true that Swedish shipbuilders used white paint in winter on ships so it is not not visible from sea when its stationed near the shore (with snow)?

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3 minutes ago, jodgi said:

I'm just being practical about it. I saw the numbers for wargaming, they made peanuts off bling but sustainable cash off grind acceleration and premium tanks (also grind acceleration). I know Fortnite makes cash from bling, but what is their target audience?

I've seen success of League of Legends and i;ve seen numbers on Na playerbase at start. And that was fanatical playerbase. If those cosmetics were sold inside game shop it would be enough to keep NA afloat wihtout any p2w addons. But we went 180 degree other way... 

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20 minutes ago, Sovereign said:

I'm sorry but can we forget everything else and focus on this here for a moment? I mean let's be realistic, the game simply won't be worth playing with 250 players. The few new players we may get will only compensate a fraction of those that quit. With the woods being rare and everything harder to get and grindy, you will have to own all DLC ships to be competitive on the war server. I don't see a lot of new players making such an investment when looking at the ratings on the store page, as @McKillen already pointed out. And even worse, if they don't buy the DLC ships, they will get hello kittyed over by exactly those and lose their hard earned regular ships due to it... leading to more negative reviews. I mean seriously guys?

With the woods being rare and everything harder to get and grindy,

yes this is the point 
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5 minutes ago, manuva85 said:

wihtout any p2w addons

Just wait, you'll see that the eco/permit/grindable ships will still be in fashion among the aficionados.

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6 minutes ago, jodgi said:

Just wait, you'll see that the eco/permit/grindable ships will still be in fashion among the aficionados.

Right!?  All the "usual suspects" that are hitting the fainting couch hard about what constitutes a 3rd/4th rate are STILL gonna be the ones that shell out their cash for it....  No matter how much they whine.

Because they are the meta power gamers and they must win at all costs....  fun be damned.   They just NEED those 5 crafter alts to have the best stuff.

And I can guarantee that they ALL have Hercs and Requins in their docks.

Its almost as frustrating as all the Hollywood elites that claimed they were going to "move to Canada" after the 2016 election.

Just shut the hell up and do it already.  Nobody cares.

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1 hour ago, admin said:

Maybe you can read the letters on the stern and check for yourself. I have heard it says Gustav Adolf

More sarcastic, immature comments.  I heard the ship is called Wasa in your game
 

What we know is that your ‘class’ system is flexible - part of the reason they’re not called rates anymore, I imagine.  Constitution, indefatigable, wasa, renommee, Hercules - all have been multiple classes and may still move again.

  What isn’t flexible is ‘lineship’ and ‘frigate.’  I will update this post with evidence when I return home, but can safely say now that your new dlc ship is a lineship by all standards.  So far, you have chosen the most off-topic comments to respond to and have engaged in petty quibbling, and you are making the wrong point here 

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1 hour ago, admin said:

Nothing changed since 2015? Yes. We still need to pay for the game and servers. We do not have subs.

I have a five step businesses plan capable of solving your financial woes and more. Its a new concept I am developing called a "free-to-play-vehicle-arena-game" and I think your gameplay you have in Naval Action is really suited to it. In order to get all details to these simple five steps I need $69,000 wired to me; this offer will expire at mid-night Eastern Time. 

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As long as the ship is not op I don't care what dlc ships are added. Well I do. I want a British second rate. Make sure the ship is crafted from materials no matter what please. I really want to buy the dlcs but if they go down the same road as Herc and requin I cannot. I still completely disagree with them being "free" 

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@admin, I know plenty of people who would like to see the Portugese flag in game...  Perhaps it wouldn't be so hard to replace the Polish with Portugese...

 

Better sailors, anyways...  ;)

 

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36 minutes ago, admin said:

its worse. We called new ship rettvisan so we do not confuse the players with multiple renames keeping wasa (not wasa) wasa. Yet stirred the bee's nest of lineship, Wasa/Not Wasa definition police. I never thought we had so many Improved wasa class specialists here.

 

Having too many experts is always good, otherwise one could end up victim of his overblown confidence checking only one source and having to remake whole project again. Doing that once is not funny but okey since we're all humans. Twice though is like throwing the money of sponsors into rubbish bin.

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4 minutes ago, Black veil said:

expected from you for obvious reasons

Act like a child get treated like one....

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1 hour ago, Sir John said:

but can safely say now that your new dlc ship is a lineship by all standards.

4th rate ship of the line is a 4th rate (and a ship of a line - but for some this does not mean lineship as 4th rate wont hold a line against 1st rates) but how is it important given this announcement from 2015?

https://forum.game-labs.net/topic/4668-open-world-prototype-rules-of-engagement-ship-loss-and-spawning/?do=findComment&comment=91605

My quote from the post

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1st and 2nd rates will not be premium ships. Those can only be crafted.

Max rate for a premium ship will be a 3rd rate (maybe 4th)

 

Rettvisan name? 4th rate definition? Line ships definitions (for some a powerful ship of the line is only a 1st rate)?
1st rates and 2nd rates will never be premium. And crafted ships will be better (realized through upgrade slots). Premium ships will require upgrades and repairs (also discussed in topics i linked previously in 2015. All things discussed about premium ships were realised and fulfilled. Nothing more nothing less.

We can and might add premium vessels up to the 3rd rate (or maybe 4th) - we never promised any specific classes on steam page or store page.
What the fuss is about, can you explain to me?? Is it just a linguistic discussion (What is a 4th rate)?
Or people only use search when it suits them ignoring other statements on the same matter (for example ignoring our statement from 2015 that max rate for a premium ship is a 3rd)

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1 hour ago, jodgi said:

I'm just being practical about it. I saw the numbers for wargaming, they made peanuts off bling but sustainable cash off grind acceleration and premium tanks (also grind acceleration). I know Fortnite makes cash from bling, but what is their target audience?

We should probably take the high road and remember that some people enjoy the eco thing ;)

Eh, we probably won't see eye to eye on this Manny, but I still love you.

Wargaming is free to play.

54 minutes ago, Gringo69rus said:

I will say this. Do you want to receive money for your work? And why @админ and the team should not receive money for their work?

They received money for their work.  Naval Action wasn't free.  

1 minute ago, Vernon Merrill said:

Act like a child get treated like one....

Oddly enough, Banished's post was well constructed and anything but childlike.  Childlike behavior would be akin to your meltdown about 9lb cannons yesterday.  

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1 minute ago, admin said:

4th rate ship of the line is a 4th rate (and a line ship to some) but how is it important given this announcement from 2015?

https://forum.game-labs.net/topic/4668-open-world-prototype-rules-of-engagement-ship-loss-and-spawning/?do=findComment&comment=91605

My quote from the post

Rettvisan name? 4th rate definition? Line ships definitions (for some a powerful ship of the line is only a 1st rate)?
1st rates and 2nd rates will never be premium. And crafted ships will be better (realized through upgrade slots).

We can and might add premium vessels up to the 3rd rate (or maybe 4th) - we never promised any specific classes on steam page or store page.
What the fuss is about, can you explain to me?? Is it just a linguistic discussion (What is a 4th rate)? Or people only use search when it suits them ignoring other statements on the same matter.

Im still waiting for a nice pic of the ship that beautifies the thread.

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1 hour ago, admin said:

its worse. We called new ship rettvisan so we do not confuse the players with multiple renames keeping wasa (not wasa) wasa. Yet stirred the bee's nest of lineship, Wasa/Not Wasa definition police. I never thought we had so many Improved wasa class specialists here.

By the way.. Is it true that Swedish shipbuilders used white paint in winter on ships so it is not not visible from sea when its stationed near the shore (with snow)?

Look at modern Canadian Naval vessels.  We paint them that light colour to be less visible in fog

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