admin Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Aerospace said: Former free towns will be added to nearby counties ? Shroud / La Tortue are we losing them as freetowns ? If so what a weird decision... thats why we said FORMER free towns. (like la navasse or hat island) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black veil Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Only input I can give is to say how ridiculous... a clear 3rd rate and u make it a 4th yet u make the Connie a 3rd rate yet it's a super frigate not ship of the line.... in all seriousness what's going on here? Edited March 25, 2019 by Black veil Forgot something 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tom Farseer said: Rättvisan is a Swedish Wasa-Class third rate, (was later captuered by Russia) but okey-dokey, whatever you say... 4th rate it is... https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=10979 wasa class was part 4th rate/part 3rd rate Wasa was a 4rth rate Gustav Adolf was a third rate. In game Wasa is Gustav Adolf. Hope you get the gist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquillas Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I'm a bit surprised about this 31/2th rate, but let's go ahead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Farseer Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Teutonic said: so lets see how it'll go 1. more crew than any other 4th rate? check 2. likely more HPs than most 4th rates? check 3. more guns? check 4. 3rd rate in 4th rate disguise? check wow, it's almost like another pay-to-win power creep vessel. didn't learn a thing since the Requin I see. Only DLC ship that should have been considered would have been the Hermione, even that is a stretch. A good number of folks have asked for changes to current ships, permits, RoE - but it seems to not be addressed at this time. I only hope something is in the works... I fell your pain, yet a bit of hope remains. The formerly blatantly overpowered Hercules and Requin got nerfed to a point where Le Requin while still top of it's class is very beatable by several other shallow water ships (e.g. all shallow 5ths except maybe Herc) or Niagara if you know how to evade boarding. The Herc is now such a glass cannon, sailing it needs a lot of skill if you want to survive longer than 5 minutes. Let's hope the Hermione stays largely untouched. And the Rätvissan must not be redeemable like a ship note! This will completely break resource/crafting economy! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialism Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, PG Monkey said: Yet another negative post? check More blind acceptance? Check. He brings up valid points, dispute them rather than post snide comments. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Players that do not want to bother with crafting always welcome "ships on demand" options, so no surprise they welcome more DLC options. BTW, rank 3 for game purposes is not the same as ship of the line 4th rate. I think everyone might be a bit confuses with the ranks at the present. Game rank =/= RN rank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Not you for sure. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Farseer Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, admin said: https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=10979 wasa class was part 4th rate/part 3rd rate Wasa was a 4rth rate Gustav Adolf was a third rate. In game Wasa is Gustav Adolf. Hope you get the gist. I get the gist but, common man, the very website you just linked states the Rättvisan as a 3rd rate, both in Swedish and Russian service: If you want to bring her ingame as a 4th rate DLC, be my guest. But please, please, please make sure that she is balanced against other 4ths and not another Uber-OP-Wasa disaster. (Though after being nerfed so hard Wasa still could use a little speed-boost , or just less of a speed-nerf than other SoLs will hopefully get in the future...) Edited March 25, 2019 by Tom Farseer spelling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vizzini Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, rediii said: @admin we get a 4th rate DLC ship. I don't like it but ok, whatever. Depends on what cooldown it has TBH. A problem I see tho, if data is correct. (maybe its not since it is labeled as 3rd rate in gamefiles) These data have a lot of reds on the agamemnon side. why does the DLC ship has to be the best of its class again? My guess is to give it a thorough testing before nerfing the ~~~~ out of it but i've been wrong before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van der Clam Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 DLCs need not be P2W. Fortnite has the DLC idea right...let DLCs mainly be focused around cosmetics, not P2W equipment. I don't mind the best ships in class to be rare and found only in special chests, but please don't make them be only available in DLC. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tom Farseer said: I get the gist but, common man, the very website you just linked states the Rätvissan as a 3rd rate, both in Swedish and Russian service: If you want to bring her ingame as a 4th rate DLC, be my guest. But please, please, please make sure that she is balanced against other 4ths and not another Uber-OP-Wasa disaster. (Though after being nerfed so hard Wasa still could use a little speed-boost , or just less of a speed-nerf than other SoLs will hopefully get in the future...) Tbh the problem with the wasa was the redicilous hold size, feels good now 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tom Farseer said: I fell your pain, yet a bit of hope remains. The formerly blatantly overpowered Hercules and Requin got nerfed to a point where Le Requin while still top of it's class is very beatable by several other shallow water ships (e.g. all shallow 5ths except maybe Herc) or Niagara if you know how to evade boarding. The Herc is now such a glass cannon, sailing it needs a lot of skill if you want to survive longer than 5 minutes. Let's hope the Hermione stays largely untouched. And the Rätvissan must not be redeemable like a ship note! This will completely break resource/crafting economy! I hope - I have, I like parts of the game enough to play. but I've also been through iterations of the game where the Herc and Requin were literal cancer. The Hercules is fine now (it only took forever)....Even now - the Requin is still too powerful. When you start seeing groups smarten up and grind Shallow Water ports with 10 man Requin teams, I think you'll understand just how silly it is at this moment. groups who are still trying to grind shallow water ports with lineships are wasting their time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Dont worry girls were gonna sail connie for portbattles later on because they are 3rd rates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socialism Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, van der Decken said: DLCs need not be P2W. Fortnite has the DLC idea right...let DLCs mainly be focused around cosmetics, not P2W equipment. I don't mind the best ships in class to be rare and found only in special chests, but please don't make them be only available in DLC. Yea but if they aren’t a bit more OP, no one will buy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vizzini Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Socialism said: Yea but if they aren’t a bit more OP, no one will buy them. I think many will buy them to just reduce a bit of grind. They aren't P2W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van der Clam Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Socialism said: Yea but if they aren’t a bit more OP, no one will buy them. People buy outfits in Fortnite that give no performance enhancement. People are buying the Flag DLC that gives no enhancement. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Farseer Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) A propós: Speaking of ship classes and stats in general: As far as I know Structure HP is supposed to be based on weight, which in turn is calculated via ships dimensions (length/beam/weatherdeck-height+draught). If so the HP descrepancy between e.g. Bellona and Agamemnon is a bit large: Values taken from Wikipedia entries, approximated Volume as cylinder and cubicle (not much difference though) Radius for cylindric approximation was calculated as average between draught and half beam, for full hull height on cubic approx. draught was doubled. It's obviously innaccurate but the discrepancy still seems a bit high to me... Just a bit of food for thought... EDIT: Also, I am obviously unable to spell Structure correctly even after two attempts.... Edited March 25, 2019 by Tom Farseer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerospace Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) My fear is this new 3-4th rate can remove half of remaining 250 players. I assure you, this game has lost many players due to LRQ and Hercules. Losing 5th rates or even seeing Bucs/3rd rates being captured by LRQ / Hercules teams, were painful but the economy was much easier. For sure it caused many players and clans to leave the game due to frustrations at that time. At current economy model, crafting many ships, is difficult due rare woods being more rare and impossible to get ship permits. So sailing a bigger ship is more costly than ever. So when I am sailing by Bellona, if I get tagged by Rattvisen which happens to carry similiar broadside weight to my Bellona, as another Rattvisen can join during 20 minutes window as having %20 lower BR than Bellona. If I lose my bellona, it will be very costly for me, but Rattvisen can be redeemed like a LRQ with any wood of your choice ? This will be disaster for NAVAL ACTION. I have told this before like many others with poor implementation of first DLC ships and I am telling again one more time and I am confident. Edited March 25, 2019 by Aerospace 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlatkowar Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, Black veil said: In all seriousness what's going on here? Logic. First class logic. The decision to add more DLC ships is not just bad. It's almost insulting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesore Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 More dlc-ships? I'm still not buying them ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkydog Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Why make prime woods so hard to get for crafting- and at the same time introduce more DLC’s where the prime woods are free and instantaneous? Having a variety of ships is what makes the game interesting, not when everybody sails the same DLC. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbler (Retired) Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Spend a few days getting enough for a permit and woods or.... Just buy 3rd rate dlc and kill everyone else every day lol. But hey DLC - Devs like cash. Not for or against but wait and see what result is. Edited March 25, 2019 by Dibbler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus MacDuff Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, Dibbler said: Spend a few days getting enough for a permit and woods or It takes more than a few days! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Texas Sir Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, admin said: Crafting rebalance ( @Coco patch) Crafting levels will be changed (there will be only 7 ranks) and thresholds rebalanced So we are going to dumb down crafting even more? Well what little crafters you have left are now gone if you do that? I don't get the hate towards a large group of players that loved this game but pretty much have left cause you trying to please a few hard core PvP players that do nothing but farm newbs and casuals instead of fighting each other. How about making the crafting system something that folks can actually enjoy and have fun with instead of giving all the good ships in DLC's that can't be crafted and than hide the rest of the good ships behind PvP rewards to be able to craft them? 1 hour ago, Banished Privateer said: From game files it looks like a third rate: From historical sources looks like a third rate: But hey! I forgot Consitution is a 3rd rate with 450 crew / 54 guns while being a frigate-class and 630 crew / 66 guns SOL will be a 4th rate... That cause it's a freaking third rate no matter how you put it, a duck is still a duck. 39 minutes ago, Tom Farseer said: Let's hope the Hermione stays largely untouched. And the Rätvissan must not be redeemable like a ship note! This will completely break resource/crafting economy! I agree Hermione is not a bad choice for a DLC, but this ship is bad for a 4th rate. How about we take the ingermanland and make that one a DLC and bring this in as the new AGGY of the 4th rates? DLC's should be the low end of the tier not the top dog. Look how games like WoT does there premium tanks. You might get more HP's but you always get lesser gear like guns, radio, view rang and such to make up for it. They are never top tier of the class. 30 minutes ago, van der Decken said: DLCs need not be P2W. Fortnite has the DLC idea right...let DLCs mainly be focused around cosmetics, not P2W equipment. I don't mind the best ships in class to be rare and found only in special chests, but please don't make them be only available in DLC. Yep they could pick a better lesser used ships like say the Ingermanland, hell even the Aggy would make a better DLC, but it should never be top of it it's tier ship. With the crew and guns this should be the new Aggy of the 4th rates to take over that tier. I can see having it's permits locked behind doing PvP/RvR, but not a pay to win. How about we can get the BLUE prints for any DLC ship (except maybe pandora that needs to stay kinda rare for the EA guys) in game so crafters can compete with notes. Remember we don't need woods to open a note, so they are instant ships. Totally killing any need for a crafter to build ships. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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