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[Banished Privateer 7,259]

On 9/29/2018 at 11:08 AM, OjK said:

That's why this flag (used on civilian ships) appears everywhere. But if You go to the historical sources it clearly stays that this was civilian (or corsair) flag, not a navy one

The real truth is that it was indeed used by the Polish navy as well, but it was a signalling flag. It was signalling readiness to fight, being prepared, used as warning and message that you should be considered hostile and avoided. Historians are not sure if that flag really grew to the same level as a naval ensign or was just mistaken by other countries and wrongly attached to Poland. But Dextera Domini is totally different from the civil ensign (merchant ships) or the yacht ensign (recreational boats).

About Danish-Norwegian flags I can summon @Wyy

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, admin said:

Denmark Norge question

Denmark used one flag consistently - but we can add some of the norway flag as well. 
Please if you have any great references for danish - norway naval flags from 1700 to 1840 periods -please post in this topic

first dated norwegian flag, 20.may 1814

Also is it possible to have The square flags for trade ships? For Instance the edged flags of sweden, den/nor and russia were used on ships of war while a flag in the same design but just squared were used on trade ships

Edited October 1, 2018 by Guest

[William Livingston Alden 95]

35 minutes ago, admin said:

Denmark Norge question

Denmark used one flag consistently - but we can add some of the norway flag as well. 
Please if you have any great references for danish - norway naval flags from 1700 to 1840 periods -please post in this topic

As far as I know, they had no common navy flag before 1800.

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2018 by William Livingston Alden
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[Thonys 1,246]

nothe reference is here also 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Denmark

the orlogsflag has a deeper red color than the normal civilian (merchant) flag

and the size differs:

the (navy) naval flag is 7:17

split flag ( merchant flag (- civilian) size  56:107

 

(ps. the square flag is also almost similar to the flag of Malta (Pavillon de Malte) {size matters}and can easily be mistaken for the flag of Denmark )

@admin also a link to the Compagnie brands in flags: http://internationalcongressesofvexillology-proceedingsandreports.yolasite.com/resources/20th-Stockholm/ICV20 Engene.pdf

on page 211 is a very interesting flag  (  )

 

historical read about the Danes in the Carribean: http://www.virgin-islands-history.dk/eng/vi_hist.asp

 

Norwegian after 1814

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flags_of_Norway#Flags_of_the_Navy

 

merchant                    

state and war flag  

 

 

Edited October 1, 2018 by Thonys

[LeBoiteux 2,232]

From this in 1756 :

1. Royal Flag of Denmark (3 tails)

2. Danish Flag (2 tails)

3. Flag of the Danish Merchant Navy (no tail)

4. Royal Flag of Christian, King of Denmark

 

[LeBoiteux 2,232]

12 hours ago, admin said:

Please if you have any great references for danish - norway naval flags from 1700 to 1840 periods -please post in this topic

Is 1700-1840 the new official timeframe of NA for ships and everything in game or is it still 1680-1820 (+/- 5 years) ?

Is 1700-1840 only for flags / Denmark /... ?

For example :

On 5/18/2017 at 7:36 AM, BungeeLemming said:

inside the timeframe of thegame. that is 1680 to 1820.

 

On 12/24/2016 at 3:31 PM, OlavDeng2 said:

within the timeline if we go by official since that is 1680-1820

 

On 1/26/2016 at 5:28 PM, slik said:

Період гри був визначений так: з 1680 по 1820 роки +/- 5 років,

Edited October 1, 2018 by LeBoiteux

[twins1215 0]

No mention of the U.S. Union Jack here is surprising from what I looked at.

 

[admin 47,462]

was Gadsden flag ever used as a naval ensign? Could it be used? 

[Banished Privateer 7,259]

13 minutes ago, admin said:

was Gadsden flag ever used as a naval ensign? Could it be used? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Navy_Jack

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Despite the probability that the original jack may have been a simple striped flag, since about 1880, this jack has traditionally been depicted as consisting of thirteen red and white stripes charged with an uncoiled rattlesnake and the motto "Dont Tread on Me"; this tradition dates at least back to 1880, when this design appeared in a color plate in Admiral George Henry Preble's influential History of the Flag of the United States. Recent scholarship, however, has demonstrated that this inferred design never actually existed but "was a 19th-century mistake based on an erroneous 1776 engraving"

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The first jack adopted by the United States consisted of thirteen alternating red and white horizontal stripes. Known as the First Navy Jack, it is often depicted with a rattlesnake and motto, however, the evidence is inconclusive that the jack actually had either of these. There is reason to believe that the Continental Navy jack was simply a red and white striped flag with no other adornment.

 

https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/heritage/banners/usnavy-first-jack.html

[z4ys 5,947]

33 minutes ago, admin said:

was Gadsden flag ever used as a naval ensign? Could it be used? 

I dont think so. its the motto flag of the Continental Marines. The naval flag would have been this one or  or

In 1775, the Continental Congress issued an order calling for five companies of Marines to be created.  It was reported that some of the Marines that enlisted that month in Philadelphia carried drums painted yellow, emblazoned with a fierce rattlesnake coiled and ready to strike with 13 rattles, and sporting a motto “Don’t Tread On Me.” The Marines first mission was assisting the Continental Navy on a man-of-war, the Alfred, and three other ships in capturing arms and gunpowder from the British.

Esek Hopkins was chosen to be the commander-in-chief of the Navy by Gadsden and Congress.  It is generally accepted that Gadsden presented Hopkins with the flag which he flew as his personal standard on the Alfred, because he felt it was important for the Commodore to have a distinctive personal standard.

 

So far havent found a painting with the gasden flag as main flag.

Edit * here gadsden flag and Continental Marines"

Continental Marines at New Providence, carrying Grand Union and Gadsden Flags

Edited October 3, 2018 by z4ys

[Banished Privateer 7,259]

@z4ys the naval flag was without the snake, just the stripes.

[z4ys 5,947]

Just now, Banished Privateer said:

@z4ys the naval flag was without the snake, just the stripes.

yes the normal Navyflag would be white and red stripes. Modifications are done a la the pictures I posted ( red + white stripes + snake or british junion jack)

the yellow gadsden flag (which admins questions is about) wouldnt be the main ship flag in my opinion

[Banished Privateer 7,259]

5 minutes ago, z4ys said:

yes the normal Navyflag would be white and red stripes. Modifications are done a la the pictures I posted ( red + white stripes + snake or british junion jack)

the yellow gadsden flag (which admins questions is about) wouldnt be the main ship flag in my opinion

The modified version did not appear in the timeframe of NA doe. 

About the original version...

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Before the departure of that first mission in December 1775, the newly appointed commander-in-chief of the Navy, Commodore Esek Hopkins, received the yellow rattlesnake flag from Gadsden to serve as the distinctive personal standard of his flagship. It was displayed at the mainmast.[7]:289 Hopkins had previously led The United Companies of the Train of Artillery of the Town of Providence, before being appointed to lead the Navy. The 1775 flag of the Providence Train of Artillery's featured a coiled timber rattlesnake and the motto "Do Not Tread on Me" along with an anchor, cannons and the motto "In God We Hope" on a gold background.[8] The flag presented to Hopkins as Commander of the Continental Navy is a simplified version of that design.

 

[admin 47,462]

Update on flags… 

This is the first draft flag collection - will be available on steam somewhere by mid November.

 

please let us know if we missed anything and if there are specific flags you wanted to add to current 11 nations

[Christoph 853]

will everyone be able to see the selected flag?

[admin 47,462]

1 minute ago, Christoph said:

will everyone be able to see the selected flag?

yes

[Christoph 853]

I don t know how old these flags are

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 4, 2018 by Christoph

[pietjenoob 454]

Would also love to see that to add to the dutch flags also the Admiraliteit flags, some of them are still the same since some of them are current day city-flags or province-flags so you have a bit more diversitie

[Banished Privateer 7,259]

Polish flags look awesome, but I am bit disappointed by the current Prussian flag list. 

[Christoph 853]

 

[hoarmurath 270]

since you decided to put royalist flags for France, i suggest two additions :

 

the flag of french royal merchant marine : 

 

and the flag from the monarchy restoration in 1814, without the lys field :

 

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A bit more variety for spanish flags

Burgundy Cross Flag 1506-1785. Yellow Variant.

 

 

Merchant navy flag, introduced in 1785 by Carlos III.

[Powderhorn 2,624]

Are the Pirate Flags ready to be shown off as well?

[pietjenoob 454]

Just now, Powderhorn said:

Are the Pirate Flags ready to be shown off as well?

Always shows us the different flags u have