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4 hours ago, Banished Privateer said:

Found also this:

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This double-headed eagle is from the Casa de Austria, Spanish Habsburgs. In the shield of the center you can see the standards of Castilla y León kingdom and Corona de Aragón. In the lower part, the Golden Fleece (Toisón de oro) is observed. In the upper part appears the date 1531, is therefore the reign of Emperor Charles I of Spain.

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3 minutes ago, Sento de Benimaclet said:

This double-headed eagle is from the Casa de Austria, Spanish Habsburgs. In the shield of the center you can see the standards of Castilla y León kingdom and Corona de Aragón. In the lower part, the Golden Fleece (Toisón de oro) is observed. 

That is true, but didn't Habsurgs seat on the throne of the HRE at the time and use the same eagle?

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16 hours ago, Banished Privateer said:

That is true, but didn't Habsurgs seat on the throne of the HRE at the time and use the same eagle?

Definitely. But what differentiates this flag from the others is the inclusion of the Golden Fleece. The Insigne Order of the Golden Fleece is an order of cavalry founded in 1429 by the Duke of Burgundy and Count of Flanders, Philip III of Burgundy. It is one of the most prestigious and ancient cavalry orders in Europe, and is closely linked to the Habsburg dynasty and the crowns of Austria and Spain. That has traditionally led the Spaniards to think that the double-headed eagle was the symbol of the Spanish Austrias, not as an imperial standard. You are totally right. This page may interest you:

www.loeser.us/flags/german.html

 

 

 

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The Bedford Flag.

 

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The Bedford Flag may be the oldest complete flag known to exist in the United States. It's description matches one made for a cavalry troop of the Massachusetts Bay Militia in the French and Indian Wars. Legend claims it is the flag carried by Bedford Minuteman, Nathaniel Page, to the Concord Bridge on April 19, 1775, at the beginning of the American Revolution. There is, however, no real proof, either from testimonials or diaries that mention any flag flown that day by either side, except one by a British officer (Lt. Barker), who reported that British grenadiers chopped down and destroyed a flag and liberty pole standing on a hill near Concord Center. However, he reports that this was done hours before the Bedford's militiamen arrived at Concord.

The Latin inscription "Vince Aut Morire" means "conquer or die." The arm emerging from the clouds represents the arm of God. The original is housed at the Bedford, Massachusetts Town Library.

 

FUENTE: http://www.loeser.us/flags/revolution.html

      

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 7/4/2018 at 10:35 AM, Silenced from posting said:

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This is a must for Spain. It was the navy flag used for a long time in the XVIII century.

 

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Take a look at this article too for more historical flags.

https://www.todoababor.es/vida_barcos/elnavio.htm#banderas

 

 

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@admin Is this going to be the new Espana flag or is this just a test run of the dlc flag?

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polish flags question

please can someone clarify the differences between the flags
(some of them have swedish insignia (blue crowns and crosses))

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and some dont
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On 9/27/2018 at 8:17 AM, Davos Seaworth said:

 

 

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@admin Is this going to be the new Espana flag or is this just a test run of the dlc flag?

test run

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11 minutes ago, admin said:

polish flags question

please can someone clarify the differences between the flags
(some of them have swedish insignia (blue crowns and crosses))

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and some dont
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On the cardiac shield was most often the ancestral coat of the current reigning monarch.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigismund_III_Vasa

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Władysław_IV_Vasa

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_II_Casimir_Vasa

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6 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said:

On the cardiac shield was most often the ancestral coat of the current reigning monarch.

 

also thinking about adding the pumped BICEPS flag version 
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what do you guys think

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10 minutes ago, GhastlyGhost said:

The second flag is the royal banner. I guess the question is: was it used on regular flags or on the royal banner only? (When the king was on board)

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Those fluffy things are supposed to be clouds, the whole thing is supposed to represent the Lord's arm (dextera domini). There seems to be some disagreement about the clouds though. Still, I think the clouds make it look much better and actually give it the proper meaning: Lord protect us :)

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15 minutes ago, Serk said:

The second flag is the royal banner. I guess the question is: was it used on regular flags or on the royal banner only? (When the king was on board)

Royal banners and coat of arms.

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3 minutes ago, Le Raf Boom said:

Those fluffy things are supposed to be clouds, the whole thing is supposed to represent the Lord's arm (dextera domini). There seems to be some disagreement about the clouds though. Still, I think the clouds make it look much better and actually give it the proper meaning: Lord protect us :)

Yea, it's not a "pumped biceps" 😂

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Here are some of earliest drawing showing it:

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Description:

On one of the engravings depicting this ship from the stern, a flag is shown with the emblem on it in the form of a naked arm emerging from the cloud. Furttenbach about the flag speaks rather laconically - according to him: this flag served for decoration and giving the ship a heroic appearance.

Dutch historiography explains that the sign of a sword or saber holding a sword or saber was a symbolic image of God the Father. Weksylium means putting oneself under the protection of God during the war. At the same time, the stern signal flag took on religious significance - it was somewhat a prayer to hang out, in which prayers were made to God for victory over the enemy. At the same time, the red of this flag signaled to the enemy ships the intention to fight.

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The above 2 engravings present Dutch/Holland ships waving Dextera Domini, here is the Polish example:

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"At the same time, there is also the appearance of the extraordinary popularity of the God symbol in the form of Dexter Domini - God's right wing emerging from the cloud. On the basis of the preserved iconography, it can be stated that the red flag of combat with such an emblem fluttered on ships in the Calvinist Netherlands, Lutheran Sweden as well as on Imperial ships and King Zygmunt III, an ardent Catholic"

Another example of Dextera Domini (I don't think that one refers to navy):

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And some more:

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@admin that should clarify a bit and help.

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45 minutes ago, admin said:

what do you guys think

I would rather like to see the pirate version to be honest since we already have a very similar in the game but the more flags the better!

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On 7/5/2018 at 3:26 PM, DesMoines said:

Under Last King of French Kingdom (Louis XVI)

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Louis XVI's original royal (personal & naval) flag (made in 1786) :

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Source : here.

 

On 7/5/2018 at 1:25 PM, SirAlatriste said:

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Very interesting document as it is an official one from the French Navy made in 1756 at the Minister of the Navy's request.

One can see, for example :

  • the royal flag

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  • two flags of the French galleys

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  • the flag of several French provincial cities and areas : Marseilles, Dunkirk, Calais, Provence...

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  • two flags of the French Merchant Navy

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  • the flags of several other nations...

 

The last but not the least, regardless of the bad jokes about it, I'd really like to have in game the historical white flag, used by the warships of the French Royal Navy (certainly the easiest to 'draw' and implement 😉 :

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Interesting source (in French) about the French flags with the reference of the legal texts : here. 

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All pictures from National Maritime Museum in Gdańsk

I made them quite a while ago, if better details are needed I can go there with my camera, and make proper pictures, not some snapshots with the phone.

1) The oldest one - XV/XVI century - banner used by warships, reconstruction of the desing based on the painting from Dwór Artusa, stolen and lost during WW2
Refers to this particular banner (with eagle) is commonly found on many other sources and encyclopedias. Can link them if needed.

2) Later banner, from period of XVI/XVII century 
Evolution of previous navy banner.

3) Gdańsk Banner - for centuries, the only port of Poland had their own banner as well. Would be cool to implement it as well.

 

Also, a word about our current banner.

It's basically bit innacurate. First, the "arm with the sword" is basically a civilian ships banner. There was plenty of Dutch, Germans living in the city (someone actually linked the flag here as a Dutch one, which is correct). During the Battle of Oliva, the "Polish" fleet was using civilian ships, re-armed to play the role of the warships. That's why this flag (used on civilian ships) appears everywhere. But if You go to the historical sources it clearly stays that this was civilian (or corsair) flag, not a navy one.

Navy one in that period included the eagle in crown, like the pictures I posted.

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Denmark Norge question

Denmark used one flag consistently - but we can add some of the norway flag as well. 
Please if you have any great references for danish - norway naval flags from 1700 to 1840 periods -please post in this topic

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