HMS Trincomalee

[SnovaZdorowa]

Обещали тем, кто за дорого покупал игру, дать скидку на DLC, вместо этого дали триньку и увеличили цену на редут. Брависсимо.

Еще и продавать можно. Тринька новый топ патрульный шип, мяско для тех, кто раскошелились на редут и грядущий 1 рейт.

[Busterbloodvessel]

She's in wet dock in Hartlepool in the UK at a Naval Museum.  More pictures on demand!

Buster (Smug)

 

 

Captains cabin

 

Main gun deck

 

Weather deck (?)

 

Guess

Edited May 28, 2020 by Busterbloodvessel

[Malcolm3]

7 minutes ago, SnovaZdorowa said:

увеличили цену на редут.

Кстати да, Редутабль подорожал. А чо, сливки собраны, теперь цены подкрутить.

[Sea Archer]

The Trinc is a nice ship and I like to sail her, but it is so cheap and easy to craft, that I don't see a reason to make her redeemable. 

I would have loved to see some rare ship, one that cannot be crafted. It really isn't a 50$ ship, as previously promised. 

[Louis Garneray]

Good morning,

I'm still a little bit confused.

Is the Trincomalee the promised 40-50 dollars gift ship?

 

Major. Cheaper edition launch (could happen a week later due to valve approval)

• All current edition owners will receive a free DLC ship 
• New price will be set at much lower levels
• DLC will be then set for sale for new buyers.
• This is going to be basically a 40-50 dollar gift for current version buyers

source:

https://forum.game-labs.net/topic/35397-forthcoming-patch-information/

 

[Busterbloodvessel]

2 minutes ago, Louis Garneray said:

Good morning,

I'm still a little bit confused.

Is the Trincomalee the promised 40-50 dollars gift ship?

 

Major. Cheaper edition launch (could happen a week later due to valve approval)

• All current edition owners will receive a free DLC ship 
• New price will be set at much lower levels
• DLC will be then set for sale for new buyers.
• This is going to be basically a 40-50 dollar gift for current version buyers

source:

https://forum.game-labs.net/topic/35397-forthcoming-patch-information/

 

Oh.. I always believe what is put on forums too. It's a life choice.

Buster (Stares out of window)

[DeRuyter]

3 hours ago, Busterbloodvessel said:

Guess

Foremast.

[Busterbloodvessel]

19 minutes ago, DeRuyter said:

Foremast.

By jove I think you're right. The main looks identical though to me but in the photo you can see  the yards of the main behind the foremast.

Well done.

Your prize is a basic cutter, normally $50. 

Buster (Mainly)

Edited May 28, 2020 by Busterbloodvessel

[DeRuyter]

6 hours ago, Jan van Santen said:

Never understood the speed thing anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Endymion_(1797)#Citations

 Apart from this, Endymion was known as the fastest sailing-ship in the Royal Navy during the Age of Sail, logging 14.4 knots (26.7 km/h) sailing large, and nearly 11.0 knots (20.4 km/h) close-hauled.^[2]

Oak afaik. Some of her later sister ships were softwood built..("fir" actually pitch pine)

Would be interesting to have their speed figures.

The type of wood didn't effect speed nearly as much as it does in game. Also keep in mind that Endymion was armed with an 18 lb  main battery when she logged this speed. 

[Cetric de Cornusiac]

7 hours ago, DarkValver said:

Hello van Veen

Devs have a different concept of what is a DLC and an Imported ship.

All DLCs are Imported ships (meaning you cannot trade them, gift them, capture them etc)

While Trincomalee is a DLC that will not be an Imported ship, so that you can sell it on auction, or give to a clan member, or someone can capture it from you.

That is my understanding. So Trinco is an "special" DLC

I posted in the DLC proposals something which could open up 'imported' ships for everyone, without meaning devs would lose money.

 

[Serk]

Will the Trinco get a new and more detailed model/riggings/skins or is it going to be identical to what we have in game?

Edited May 28, 2020 by Serk

[Mormegil]

The Tricomalee is a really good 5th rate and I really like sailing her (5 knowledge slots open) but she's not really useful in most larger PvP groups, where bigger ships are more wanted. She's great for hunting solo though and can beat a redoutable if you play your game correctly.

@admin Please don't be mad at me for writing this, but you are not very good at managing expectations, which causes upsets with the community (or at least large parts of it). I will try to objectively explain why many (not all, of course) players are unhappy about the trinco DLC announcement and give a suggestion on how to avoid bad feelings in the future.

Objectively nobody has a right to be mad about getting a ship for free. Obviously, your announcement to give out a ship worth 40-50€ as compensation for reducing the price of the game was appreciated by nearly everyone. The problem with this is the clear statement of a price tag. The only comparison players had for the price tag were the existing DLCs.  Compared to 4th rate DLC ships (~34€) and the redoutable (42€) a price/worth of 40€-50€ produced an expectation that the free ship would either be a really strong 4th rate (which would have been a problem due to being the strongest ship in her rate) or another 3rd rate. Since you announced at some point that you wanted 3rd rates to be among the most commonly sailed ships, that was the more widely expected option. Combined with the denial of making the admiral de ruyter craftable (which also upset many due to going back on a promise - again expectations - ) many probably hoped the admiral de ruyter would be the freeLC ship. The Ruyter is a really nice ship with a different focus than the redoutable but currently impossible to earn and therefore never seen on open world due to being a collector item. Giving it out to everyone would have been a really nice gesture and given more variety to the server as people could choose between the sturdier redoutable and the faster and better armed but squishier ruyter.

Instead a nice but already existing ship was chosen. This offers no real additional value to most, as it is already available in game for a very low price (100-200k really, I.e. nearly for free of you play actively). Since the Trinco is a 5th rate, a price tag of 40€ also seems off, compared to the prices of other DLC ships and the expectations people derived from those prices. So people are obviously disappointed because they expected more. 

Technically you did what you promised, but technically you could also have chosen the pickle (as an extreme example of a ship that was not expected for the compensation) as the free ship and slapped a 45€ price tag on it, since you are making the prices and just need valve's approval (which they will probably give since they earn their share on every sale). 

The one thing I actually fear is that you will also get a lot of negative reviews on the Trico DLC, going in the direction of "don't spend money, get it in-game", "get a bigger ship for a lower price with rattvisän" etc. This would be sad as the Trinco is one of my favourite ships.

So all in all it is still nice of you to give a freeLC as compensation to everyone. However you should try to read your own announcements from a player's perspective and write in a way that major misunderstandings and high expectations are avoided. I know you always say "expect the worst". But always expecting the worst when being told you'd receive something (patch, gift, content) is a mood killer, not fun and generally not in the human nature. And after all we are all in this great game to have fun and care deeply for Naval Action, which is why we are so critical of your decisions. 

Thanks for reading this rather long post and good night.

Mormegil

[RedHawk04]

How can i redeem the trinco? it tells me i need the dlc, must wait for it on steam? 

[Louis Garneray]

Mormegil thanks for your exceptional post.

I think it's the best explanation of our reaction.

We might seems like little brats because we complain about a free 5th rate but in the actual meta of the game (pvp mostly) in the last few months people were sailing snow when they want to annoy others or Endymion when they solo (or small group) hunt (so they can escape if needed) everything else will be some 4th but mostly 3rd rates from the Constitution to the Redoutable.

 

 

 

[Despe]

On 5/28/2020 at 11:31 AM, Lukas97Austria said:

Trincomalee is super sexy. 

you are a trincomale them :DD

Edited May 29, 2020 by Despe

[Commodore Sixty Four]

Unlike some other players, as a Lieutenant Commander two-thirds on the way to Master & Commander (second time, first time was in Early Access), I’m actually very pleased with a DLC Trincomalee. I was planning to sail the Trincomalee after mastering the L’Hermione, as I have a soft spot for HMS Sybille, a captured Hebe class frigate, that the Leda class design was based on. Now, I won’t need to grind to add Trincomalee to my fleet. 

I don’t have an issue using DLC ships, as many of the DLC ships in Naval Action represent my favourite classes / ships of the period, including Concorde / L’Hermione (HMS Concorde); Leda (Hebe) / Trincomalee (HMS Sybille); Portland / Leopard (HMS Isis) and; Téméraire / Redoutable (HMS Donegal). Agamemnon and Bucentaure (as Tonnant class HMS Canopus) are the two others I plan to craft, other than potentially experimenting with some others like Indefatigable and Constitution, despite their seeming unpopularity in PvP.

So thanks @adminfor Trincomalee from me.

[Delaf]

On 5/29/2020 at 1:22 AM, Mormegil said:

The Tricomalee is a really good 5th rate and I really like sailing her (5 knowledge slots open) but she's not really useful in most larger PvP groups, where bigger ships are more wanted. She's great for hunting solo though and can beat a redoutable if you play your game correctly.

@admin Please don't be mad at me for writing this, but you are not very good at managing expectations, which causes upsets with the community (or at least large parts of it). I will try to objectively explain why many (not all, of course) players are unhappy about the trinco DLC announcement and give a suggestion on how to avoid bad feelings in the future.

Objectively nobody has a right to be mad about getting a ship for free. Obviously, your announcement to give out a ship worth 40-50€ as compensation for reducing the price of the game was appreciated by nearly everyone. The problem with this is the clear statement of a price tag. The only comparison players had for the price tag were the existing DLCs.  Compared to 4th rate DLC ships (~34€) and the redoutable (42€) a price/worth of 40€-50€ produced an expectation that the free ship would either be a really strong 4th rate (which would have been a problem due to being the strongest ship in her rate) or another 3rd rate. Since you announced at some point that you wanted 3rd rates to be among the most commonly sailed ships, that was the more widely expected option. Combined with the denial of making the admiral de ruyter craftable (which also upset many due to going back on a promise - again expectations - ) many probably hoped the admiral de ruyter would be the freeLC ship. The Ruyter is a really nice ship with a different focus than the redoutable but currently impossible to earn and therefore never seen on open world due to being a collector item. Giving it out to everyone would have been a really nice gesture and given more variety to the server as people could choose between the sturdier redoutable and the faster and better armed but squishier ruyter.

Instead a nice but already existing ship was chosen. This offers no real additional value to most, as it is already available in game for a very low price (100-200k really, I.e. nearly for free of you play actively). Since the Trinco is a 5th rate, a price tag of 40€ also seems off, compared to the prices of other DLC ships and the expectations people derived from those prices. So people are obviously disappointed because they expected more. 

Technically you did what you promised, but technically you could also have chosen the pickle (as an extreme example of a ship that was not expected for the compensation) as the free ship and slapped a 45€ price tag on it, since you are making the prices and just need valve's approval (which they will probably give since they earn their share on every sale). 

The one thing I actually fear is that you will also get a lot of negative reviews on the Trico DLC, going in the direction of "don't spend money, get it in-game", "get a bigger ship for a lower price with rattvisän" etc. This would be sad as the Trinco is one of my favourite ships.

So all in all it is still nice of you to give a freeLC as compensation to everyone. However you should try to read your own announcements from a player's perspective and write in a way that major misunderstandings and high expectations are avoided. I know you always say "expect the worst". But always expecting the worst when being told you'd receive something (patch, gift, content) is a mood killer, not fun and generally not in the human nature. And after all we are all in this great game to have fun and care deeply for Naval Action, which is why we are so critical of your decisions. 

Thanks for reading this rather long post and good night.

Mormegil

Really like your post and i can say from my clan they have seem feeling about it thanks for that nice réspond .

[FrostZone]

18 hours ago, Delaf said:

Really like your post and i can say from my clan they have seem feeling about it thanks for that nice réspond .

I am also very disappointed with the way the expectations were managed.

[Sir Max Magic]

On 5/29/2020 at 1:22 AM, Mormegil said:

The Tricomalee is a really good 5th rate and I really like sailing her (5 knowledge slots open) but she's not really useful in most larger PvP groups, where bigger ships are more wanted. She's great for hunting solo though and can beat a redoutable if you play your game correctly.

@admin Please don't be mad at me for writing this, but you are not very good at managing expectations, which causes upsets with the community (or at least large parts of it). I will try to objectively explain why many (not all, of course) players are unhappy about the trinco DLC announcement and give a suggestion on how to avoid bad feelings in the future.

Objectively nobody has a right to be mad about getting a ship for free. Obviously, your announcement to give out a ship worth 40-50€ as compensation for reducing the price of the game was appreciated by nearly everyone. The problem with this is the clear statement of a price tag. The only comparison players had for the price tag were the existing DLCs.  Compared to 4th rate DLC ships (~34€) and the redoutable (42€) a price/worth of 40€-50€ produced an expectation that the free ship would either be a really strong 4th rate (which would have been a problem due to being the strongest ship in her rate) or another 3rd rate. Since you announced at some point that you wanted 3rd rates to be among the most commonly sailed ships, that was the more widely expected option. Combined with the denial of making the admiral de ruyter craftable (which also upset many due to going back on a promise - again expectations - ) many probably hoped the admiral de ruyter would be the freeLC ship. The Ruyter is a really nice ship with a different focus than the redoutable but currently impossible to earn and therefore never seen on open world due to being a collector item. Giving it out to everyone would have been a really nice gesture and given more variety to the server as people could choose between the sturdier redoutable and the faster and better armed but squishier ruyter.

Instead a nice but already existing ship was chosen. This offers no real additional value to most, as it is already available in game for a very low price (100-200k really, I.e. nearly for free of you play actively). Since the Trinco is a 5th rate, a price tag of 40€ also seems off, compared to the prices of other DLC ships and the expectations people derived from those prices. So people are obviously disappointed because they expected more. 

Technically you did what you promised, but technically you could also have chosen the pickle (as an extreme example of a ship that was not expected for the compensation) as the free ship and slapped a 45€ price tag on it, since you are making the prices and just need valve's approval (which they will probably give since they earn their share on every sale). 

The one thing I actually fear is that you will also get a lot of negative reviews on the Trico DLC, going in the direction of "don't spend money, get it in-game", "get a bigger ship for a lower price with rattvisän" etc. This would be sad as the Trinco is one of my favourite ships.

So all in all it is still nice of you to give a freeLC as compensation to everyone. However you should try to read your own announcements from a player's perspective and write in a way that major misunderstandings and high expectations are avoided. I know you always say "expect the worst". But always expecting the worst when being told you'd receive something (patch, gift, content) is a mood killer, not fun and generally not in the human nature. And after all we are all in this great game to have fun and care deeply for Naval Action, which is why we are so critical of your decisions. 

Thanks for reading this rather long post and good night.

Mormegil

So much this +1.000

I think, you speak for the most part of the community, atleast those who supported this game by hundreds of bucks and understands the underlying mechanics...

 

Maybe, some of the by @admin so often called out "silent majority" would be happy also about the Trinco, but most of them i guess woukdnt even understand that the Trinco is by far the worsest choice because they may not even have passed the Final Exams are are those who redeem DLC ships always with Fir/Crew Space...  

...as a Game Designer, who cares for the game, you really shouldnt listen at those poeple...

[Sir Max Magic]

On 5/28/2020 at 11:20 AM, admin said:

The Beautiful Trincomalee. The ultimate chase ship.

• Trincomalee was built in from Teak in India by the master shipbuilder Jamshoot Wadia
• Wadia Group is still operating in India and owns multiple businesses including an airline and a cricket team
• Trincomalee blueprints were stolen from HMS Java by USS Constitution
• HMS Java was originally French sailing under name of "Renommee"
• Trincomalee was built based on the Leda Class designs
• Leda class design was based on the French ship "Hebe"
• Hebe was captured in combat by HMS Rainbow which was the first combat use of the Carronades
• Hebe was designed by Jacques Sane
• Sane also designed the Ocean, Duguay-Trouin, the Redoutable. A lot of ships at Trafalgar were designed by Sane
• Trincomalee was a training ship alongside HMS Implacable. Implacable was at Trafalgar under the name Duguay-Trouin
• Trincomalee operated till 1986
• These days Trincomalee is the oldest British warship afloat!
• Teak needs to be buffed we think.

 

By the way, it was a really smart (???) move by you, @admin, to NOT announce in the OP that the Trinco will be our free DLC ship and just praise her in general...grabbing all those likes...

If you had announced in the OP that her would be the one...i strongly guess, the likes and dislikes would be much different...  

 

Its sometimes seriously strange to see, how you "outmaneuver" the peoples ability to "vote" here in the forums (why not much more often use a Poll by you yourself ???) and treat us like small childs...and afterwards you wonder why the people stomp with their feets on Steam Reviews...which you cant moderate  

Edited May 31, 2020 by Sir Max Magic

[Suppenkelle]

29 minutes ago, Sir Max Magic said:

By the way, it was a really smart (???) move by you, @admin, to NOT announce in the OP that the Trinco will be our free DLC ship and just praise her in general...grabbing all those likes...

If you had announced in the OP that her would be the one...i strongly guess, the likes and dislikes would be much different...  

 

Its sometimes seriously strange to see, how you "outmaneuver" the peoples ability to "vote" here in the forums (why not much more often use a Poll by you yourself ???) and treat us like small childs...and afterwards you wonder why the people stomp with their feets on Steam Reviews...which you cant moderate  

You are free to remove your „like“ under every posting any time you want to. If the likes admin got for his praise of the Trinco aren‘t removed yet it is probably because people don’t want them removed, I guess. 

[Hethwill]

1 hour ago, Sir Max Magic said:

most of them i guess woukdnt even understand that the Trinco is by far the worsest choice because they may not even have passed the Final Exams are are those who redeem DLC ships always with Fir/Crew Space...

You are definitely the enlightened one and everyone else is just living in the dark ages. Oh wait, we talking about a game here *phew* ... I thought this was for real !

Out of sarcasm, do not try to justify your opinion, however valid it is, by denigration of all other people. If you are a pro let be it. If others are not, let it so. Play and play more. If not, silence is enough. It is a game after all. And a gift is a gift. Yacht, Pandora, Trinc, all the single ships gifted along the years, etc. Pretty cool that some games do that. 

Edited May 31, 2020 by Hethwill

[Cold Warrior]

Hethwill do you actually read your comments before posting?
I do not think so.🖖
You should lift these people even higher with their incredible kindness. They gave us a Pandora, a yacht.
wow and all those empty promises like your rank and crafting are save and we get a $ 40 ship.
We are happy to get a Trincomalee that everyone can craft
Our devs are just a gift to the community

[Hethwill]

I cannot speak for anyone else as much as you can't. We are individuals.

I mean... unless you are player "Lenin God of...". That's legion.

[Sir Max Magic]

1 hour ago, Suppenkelle said:

You are free to remove your „like“ under every posting any time you want to. If the likes admin got for his praise of the Trinco aren‘t removed yet it is probably because people don’t want them removed, I guess. 

 

46 minutes ago, Hethwill said:

You are definitely the enlightened one and everyone else is just living in the dark ages. Oh wait, we talking about a game here *phew* ... I thought this was for real !

Out of sarcasm, do not try to justify your opinion, however valid it is, by denigration of all other people. If you are a pro let be it. If others are not, let it so. Play and play more. If not, silence is enough. It is a game after all. And a gift is a gift. Yacht, Pandora, Trinc, all the single ships gifted along the years, etc. Pretty cool that some games do that. 

 

32 minutes ago, Hethwill said:

I cannot speak for anyone else as much as you can't. We are individuals.

I mean... unless you are player "Lenin God of...". That's legion.

...and EXACTLY that was the reason for my post:

NOBODY knows what the majority do want/like...so why not using the "POLL" feature by the devs themself ??

 

But no, instead of doing this, 24h before they KNEW the Trinco will be the DLC, they came out with a misleading praising post... dont want to be the devils advocat here, but everybody can use his brain about this