NPC Port Battles Explained. War server and Peace server information

[Raekur]

What is going to really suck is when nations start using the Raid as a tool to attack with. While Russia seems to be able to field 20 first rates, i doubt any other nation has the capability to at this time.  That is going to make this new feature more of a stake through the heart than something to generate content. 

[Potemkin]

8 minutes ago, Raekur said:

While Russia seems to be able to field 20 first rates, i doubt any other nation has the capability to at this time. 

Thats laughably false. 

[Sir Loorkon]

The RvR was to time consuming before. The port bonuses and the high BR did not reanimate the RvR. They did the oposite. Before the port bonusses RvR was completely meaningless, with the port bonusses the ports might be to meaningfull. Will the new mechanic change this? I do not think so. The main player based RvR mechanics are not working because of reasons mentioned in many posts. 

The new raid system will be abused by the usual suspects 1 second after introduction by alt clans and agreements. That is sad because I like the idea.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Sir Loorkon

[Cetric de Cornusiac]

19 hours ago, admin said:

Hostility will be enabled for neutral ports so clans can capture the ports for themselves

PvE server.

Two questions:

Is the server publicly informed when a port has been turned into neutral by NPC attack?

How do we decide which clan/nation is going to attack it thereafter? I imagine in the closer future each port becoming 'available' will find several clans' interest and sort of a competition sets in.

Will it be first come, first serve, by putting some kind of tag on that port? Or who of them adds enough hostility up first gets the port battle scheduled?

[Corona Lisa]

7 hours ago, admin said:

Sick of PVE  AND Log In to PVP? These two now go together? Dont make me laugh. 
You can't login to pvp AND get sick of PVE at the same time during this session. Especially if it is just one pve battle. And its not every weekend.

Yes just one PvE battle which you have to attend to keep your most imortant port. Some more PvE battles to trigger a PB. PvE in player raids. More PvE soon if you want to go to enemy capital ...

Now imagine you dont like PvE 

[admin]

1 hour ago, Cetric de Cornusiac said:

 

Will it be first come, first serve, by putting some kind of tag on that port? Or who of them adds enough hostility up first gets the port battle scheduled?

Who will raise hostility first will get the port (they will tax it). But you can ask them to add you to their friend (alliance) list to participate and use the investments. 

[admin]

29 minutes ago, Jon Snow lets go said:

More PvE soon if you want to go to enemy capital ...

Now imagine you dont like PvE 

Sealclubbing will become WAAAAY harder indeed. I am very glad you appreciated this minor detail. 

[Anolytic]

I'm gonna hold my tongue for now about how monumentally stupid I think this idea is (more PvE - really?), but I do have some important questions:

1. What reward does defenders get from successfully defending their port against NPC? Do we get Combat Medals? Doubloons? Gold/Admiral Chests? Paint Chests? Why should people want to participate in these battles?

2.

21 hours ago, admin said:

Raiders will only attack most developed ports of top 3 nations (mix of investments and tax rate)

Is it "most developed ports" or "top 3 nations" that are determined by "mix of investments and tax rate". I.e. If the largest nation (by ports, players, etc) only has 1 single developed and invested port, will it be exempt from NPC raids if say 3 smaller nations make investments in every port they own?

3.

21 hours ago, admin said:

• Raiders will always pick the proper wind for attack

Does this mean: A: they join from whatever direction the wind is blowing at the time of attack or B: the NPC knows 24 hours in advance at exactly what time the wind will blow directly into the port they intend to attack and will schedule their attack accordingly?

4.

21 hours ago, admin said:

• Raiders know how to fit the ships and will be very combat worthy

Sooo, basically Elite NPC?

5.

21 hours ago, admin said:

Raider fleet usually will consist of 16-20 Lineships(escort) and 4-6 indiaman (transports) and will split into 2 groups attacking from 2 directions

Lineships as in 1st and 2nd rates, or is 3rd rates included? Because there's been some inconsistency there in the past..

What about 10 000 BR ports, if say Truxillo - a non-capital port - is a nation's most developed port? Will NPC attack with ~20 000 BR against a 10 000 BR port, royally screwing defenders?

6. And what about shallow ports? What if a nation were to have a shallow port as one of their most developed ports? Will they get attacked in shallows by lineships and Indiamans? Or is there a NPC fleet-setup made for that contingency, where NPC attacks with Surprises and trader brigs? Or are Shallow ports exempt from NPC-attacks?

7.

21 hours ago, admin said:

• Raiders will not fire at forts

But will forts fire at raiders?

8. 

21 hours ago, admin said:

• Points cannot go down but you can slow down the point generation or avoid it by stopping the ships trying to reach the control points

So NPC don't loose points for ships sinking like in normal PBs?

9.

21 hours ago, admin said:

1. Smaller nations can attack other ports during the raid times and take them undefended

[Holm Hansen]

46 minutes ago, admin said:

Who will raise hostility first will get the port (they will tax it). But you can ask them to add you to their friend (alliance) list to participate and use the investments. 

That would bring an unnecessary competition against each other on the peace server, which actually contradicts the style of it. And at some point all attractive ports are occupied.

Is it not possible that several clans have construction rights in a harbor in parallel? Then maybe without tax revenue. Of course, then maybe every clan would have to defend this port themselve in case of a raid. Or organize a defence.

Addition, to bring it in a story mode:

Harbor battles to get this construction rights can also implement as a raid battle. Here you help the city to defend its harbor. In return, you get building rights and perhaps tax exemption, but the port does not change hands. These rights are linked with defending the harbor in the future, if one fails, these rights are lost.

Edited September 7, 2019 by Holm Hansen
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[Botq]

1 hour ago, Anolytic said:

I'm gonna hold my tongue for now about how monumentally stupid I think this idea is (more PvE - really?), but I do have some important questions:

1. What reward does defenders get from successfully defending their port against NPC? Do we get Combat Medals? Doubloons? Gold/Admiral Chests? Paint Chests? Why should people want to participate in these battles?

2.

Is it "most developed ports" or "top 3 nations" that are determined by "mix of investments and tax rate". I.e. If the largest nation (by ports, players, etc) only has 1 single developed and invested port, will it be exempt from NPC raids if say 3 smaller nations make investments in every port they own?

3.

Does this mean: A: they join from whatever direction the wind is blowing at the time of attack or B: the NPC knows 24 hours in advance at exactly what time the wind will blow directly into the port they intend to attack and will schedule their attack accordingly?

4.

Sooo, basically Elite NPC?

5.

Lineships as in 1st and 2nd rates, or is 3rd rates included? Because there's been some inconsistency there in the past..

What about 10 000 BR ports, if say Truxillo - a non-capital port - is a nation's most developed port? Will NPC attack with ~20 000 BR against a 10 000 BR port, royally screwing defenders?

6. And what about shallow ports? What if a nation were to have a shallow port as one of their most developed ports? Will they get attacked in shallows by lineships and Indiamans? Or is there a NPC fleet-setup made for that contingency, where NPC attacks with Surprises and trader brigs? Or are Shallow ports exempt from NPC-attacks?

7.

But will forts fire at raiders?

8. 

So NPC don't loose points for ships sinking like in normal PBs?

9.

There were already empty PBs mostly when russia attacked weaker nations

[Tac]

9 hours ago, admin said:

Tac…Tac.. Tac...
You know you are contradicting yourself and are just posting this to rage or whatever.
Sick of PVE  AND Log In to PVP? These two now go together? Dont make me laugh. 
You can't login to pvp AND get sick of PVE at the same time during this session. Especially if it is just one pve battle. And its not every weekend.
Same port cannot be attacked every weekend its impossible. But richest ports will be checked by Neutrals from time to time. Just in case. What if they are lucky and you are complacent. 

@Sir Texas Sir is correct in his post - map shake up will be supported by one of the first 4 nations existed since 2015. Neutrals. They never run, they dont complain, they do not abuse you in chat, they cannot be negotiated with. We can rely on them. You can too. 
Set the night timer for the very rich port as a strong nation? Expect guests during the timer or do not set the timer when you have no people online. Or recruit clans from other timezones.
 
This ship sails - there is no hesitation.
If you login to pvp go pvp.. If want to own the ports - Defend them.
 

So my choice is  go PvP OR defend my port it has taken my guys so long and invest so much time into  forced PVE ? nice choice 

I see a running theme in this thread of people liking this option are the same people who don't have to fight these battles on PvP server.

I don't post out of rage i post because i actually want the game to succeed,but whatever the ship has sailed destination unknown,proof is in the pudding so let's see the result.

 

[Hethwill]

23 hours ago, admin said:

Raider fleet usually will consist of 16-20 Lineships(escort) and 4-6 indiaman (transports) and will split into 2 groups attacking from 2 directions

What if Top port of top nation is a shallow port ?

[Hethwill]

2 minutes ago, PYR said:

I think  that it is  impossible for a shallow port to be the richest/more invested port of a big nation.

Nothing is impossible. A game mechanic doesn't care what you humans do, as long as it works.

My question stands  

[Dragonfire]

Can anyone lend me, oh I don't know maybe 400000k of fir logs ? 

Going to need to build a lot of fast Oceans lol.

Please bump up the chest drops also can see a need for a lot of mods now .

Thanks, gonna be interesting can see a lot of problems raiding capital areas now could be interesting.

Haters gonna hate , whiners gonna whine, Dragon's gonna sail his ship now fast all the time.

[Severus Snape]

11 hours ago, Lancelot Teggin said:

Meaning the hunt in front of capitals will end and the new players will finally start to play the game thats nice 

will they?  3 months after release?  We were told this game had 100,000 wish listers READY to buy.  They didn't.

[Cetric de Cornusiac]

3 hours ago, admin said:

Who will raise hostility first will get the port (they will tax it). But you can ask them to add you to their friend (alliance) list to participate and use the investments. 

I hold my breath and hope the friend (alliance) list is going to be international (at least for PvE server), so we get enough people together. Some nations are indeed too small represented in manpower to field enough forces for full-size portbattle. Hence my proposal to open this up internationally.

[Raekur]

10 hours ago, Potemkin said:

Thats laughably false. 

Port Battle for Cartagena de Indias last wendsday,

Sorry I miscounted, there are only 19 1st rates there.

So before you accuse someone of something, you might want to actually check your facts before it makes you look stupid.

[Gregory Rainsborough]

It's more the irritation that our poor clan has to now drop taxes even lower to stop getting PvE fleets attacking because we have no interest in it whatsoever. Would be better if it attacked the clan holding the most ports in the nation or something. Or we all get to vote on who gets picked on.

I vote KURUC.

[Razee]

1mil dubs put in, and you can pick wich friendly clan the AI will raid, might help against internal struggles clan vs clan

[Hethwill]

Is not about players having control. Is actually the opposite, to take control away from the players. So such a thing would defeat the purpose. ( whatever it may be the end result... )

[admin]

6 hours ago, Holm Hansen said:

That would bring an unnecessary competition against each other on the peace server, which actually contradicts the style of it. And at some point all attractive ports are occupied.

 

There is no competition on the Peace server - you can already enter any port of any nation and build anything there.  Some friendly effort related (not kill related) competition for tax rights will only improve the server.

[Busterbloodvessel]

Raids were due at the weekend? Has a nation been raided? Did I miss it? 

If not, when will they start and where will the in-game pre-raid notifications appear?

Buster (telescope to the horizon)

Edited September 7, 2019 by Busterbloodvessel

[Potemkin]

4 hours ago, Raekur said:

Port Battle for Cartagena de Indias last wendsday,

Sorry I miscounted, there are only 19 1st rates there.

So before you accuse someone of something, you might want to actually check your facts before it makes you look stupid.

Not counting the 20 or more that were screening? You might want to actually check your facts before it makes you look stupid. Speaking of looking stupid, i counted 21 dutch first rates in the PB.................... so good job checking your..... facts.

Edited September 7, 2019 by Potemkin

[Ftmch]

2 hours ago, admin said:

There is no competition on the Peace server - you can already enter any port of any nation and build anything there.  Some friendly effort related (not kill related) competition for tax rights will only improve the server.

So you won't loose any buildings/ships/items in that port if it changes owners then I take it?

I for one am glad that I might finally get to participate in a port battle since I never did that on PVP.

[Sir Texas Sir]

4 hours ago, Gregory Rainsborough said:

It's more the irritation that our poor clan has to now drop taxes even lower to stop getting PvE fleets attacking because we have no interest in it whatsoever. Would be better if it attacked the clan holding the most ports in the nation or something. Or we all get to vote on who gets picked on.

I vote KURUC.

Actually this could be a mechanic that Devs could do since they mention in the past about doing eco-sabatoge or something to deal with alt-clans, dead clans and just trouble clans.   So maybe a means to just pay a nice big sum to have a port raided in your county. I would assume it would be a mission pulled at the capital by the owner of that region and can only be done say once a week so not to be abused?

4 hours ago, Razee said:

1mil dubs put in, and you can pick wich friendly clan the AI will raid, might help against internal struggles clan vs clan

 1 mil is kinda high but something like that and make it a County owner missions so not just any one can do it, only the region county clan owner can pull the missions to deal with trouble clans.