Fresh RVR History (from 06-2019)

[Medniy Sandal]

12 minutes ago, Da Hool said:

Вы не можете сравнить старые времена, когда SLRN был сильным с сегодняшним днем, когда порты, особенно порты, важны для выживания нации.

Agreed. It was a different time, different game mechanics and different NA.

[van Veen]

19 minutes ago, Liberalism said:

Polish main base is Basse Terre, but we mostly use free ports like La Tortue, Tumbado, Aves, Guayaguayare, Great Corn, La Mona, Shroud Cay, Dariena, El Rancho 🐧

There is no way you can operate out of 9 free towns and have Basse Terre as well. You can't have 10 outposts. You are a cheater! Enjoy the tribunal! 

[Meraun]

59 minutes ago, van Veen said:

I really love this thread! But I am afraid it's getting out of hands. Especially @Meraun, @Anolytic and @North should be warned for trolling.

Please follow these rules to keep the level of quality:

1. Trust your information! Your spies are the best. Always believe them. 
2. Keep your information secret! The safest way to do this is to talk about others only. Never talk about yourself or the information you have. 
3. Never believe lies. Your information is the obvious truth.
4. People writing here always lie! 
5. Do not trust "facts". There are always alternative facts. If in doubt, apply rules #1 through #4. 
6. Rule #4 does not apply to yourself (of course). This is obvious to everyone. No need to prove this. Unless, you play for Russian faction. 

Thank you!

TROLLING? wtf are you talking about?

[van Veen]

14 minutes ago, Meraun said:

TROLLING? wtf are you talking about?

 

18 hours ago, Meraun said:

Side note: We dont have La Tortue

Nobody here cares about facts, let alone "side notes". You are just a troll! See rule #5. 

 

Edited July 16, 2019 by van Veen

[Barbarosa]

3 hours ago, Liberalism said:

British nation always defeats itself. Many clans leave GB nation because people in the nation hate each other, don't help each other etc. Also, it's a vast majority of new players, not experienced. Most veterans leave GB. GB was a powerhouse back in 2017/2018, but it's been dying for last 2 years every few months. It got a bit revived by HAVOC, but that only put them on their legs and HAVOC left/quit the game when there was nothing to do in GB.

On the other hand, Russia is full of RvR players, as it became RvR nation (RDNN/LEGO/REDS with RUS & PLANB started this). Then there was BF, VLTRA, NN, LG, 7UP, RUBLI, PODW, EVIL (👽) and many good RvR players left their nations to join Russia. Every RvR player wants to sail in full 25 RvR player fleet of good players. But if all RvR players leave their nations to join Russia, there is no one left to fight. RvR players left France, left Spain, left GB, left US, left Prussia. All left to converge into RvR nations: Russia, VP, Denmark-Norge, Pirates. So now we have only 4 RvR nations, but weaker nations get attacked and easily killed.  

Very few players hate each other. The ones does, hate because of seeing others as threat to their status and goals.

Great Britain, Spain and France were never great RvR nations. They enjoyed RvR power from time to time though. They never managed to shake off statiquo. They had many great players, who had to leave tired to be managed by incompetent leadership.

Your PvP skill cannot be reflected directly as RvR skill. 90% of "PvP" players were dillusional about their RvR skills, naming themselves heroes by defeating a heard of sea sheeps.

There were only 3 RvR powerhouses in different times, pre release. Danish, Swedish and Pirates.

Russia served as an exile country for good PvP players who were lacking and wanting more prominent RvR success.

Pre release Russian success (Danes) were enjoyed by exactly the same reasons we have today. Game mechanics which favour numbers and hardcore game committment. That is their so called nostalgia.

Edited July 16, 2019 by Barbarosa

[Meraun]

2 hours ago, van Veen said:

 

Nobody here cares about facts, let alone "side notes". You are just a troll! See rule #5. 

 

wahtever gets you going mate..

[Tom Farseer]

1 hour ago, Barbarosa said:

Great Britain, Spain and France were never great RvR nations. They enjoyed RvR power from time to time though. They never managed to shake off statiquo. They had many great players, who had to leave tired to be managed by incompetent leadership

Had a good chuckle over that one. The people who actually played a role in RvR and left GB didn't leave because of being managed by incompetent leaders. They left because they got tired of having to pester everyone else into doing something as unified force.
From the time I got active in RvR (early 2018) until release GB never had a singular leader. We had a few very large clans with few decent RvR players and some small clans with a high RvR-player percentage. It's easy to imagine how well those two types of clans got along

[Redman29]

2 hours ago, Barbarosa said:

Great Britain, Spain and France were never great RvR nations. They enjoyed RvR power from time to time though. They never managed to shake off statiquo. They had many great players, who had to leave tired to be managed by incompetent leadership.

When this game first hit early access, Great Britain for a while was one of the more dominant RvR powers or do we forget how SLRN drove all the way to Puerto Rico and then Aves. And there was nothing incompetent about the leadership in Britain when it had people like GKar, HMCS Warrior, Augustus and others who managed to get the clans to coordinate when it was no longer possible for a single clan to form a fleet. The leaders got burnt out, and eventually so did the core RvR group.

2 hours ago, Barbarosa said:

There were only 3 RvR powerhouses in different times, pre release. Danish, Swedish and Pirates.

You list the Swedes, but somehow Britain is excluded when the entire server hated them for controlling half the map and weren't a RvR powerhouse? And this during the days of flags in which they were fighting more port battles against multiple nations daily and successfully. You're right the RvR powerhouses has ebbed and flowed during early access but at one time the Danes weren't the dominant RvR fleet, during the early days Britain came closer to Christiansted than anyone other than the Swedes and only because their capitals are next to each other. The southern Cuba campaign before the 3 Admirals treaty, the British had spent weeks fighting together and had a strong and good RvR group from weeks of fighting as a single unit. This at a time when the Danes, Swedes, and Pirates were doing little to nothing in the world of RvR. 

Game has been around for a long time and has changed a lot, hard to deal in absolutes such as these nations have been the only powerhouses in RvR.

Edited July 16, 2019 by Redman29

[Barbarosa]

Liberalism, I am not counting very beginning of server or capability to master 7 fleets. During that time almost everyone remember it as their glorious times. Dutch tell legendary stories against French and sweden, France had their glories, Sweden was down in Pampatar conquering, defending land. Our battle commander (Sweden) was thinking that wind has no effect on battle since it blows to same direction for both sides; and it is impossible to win offensive battles. The times almost everyone were agreeing with him. Mythical times when most believed if SLRN start sailing sea level will increase and Gustavia will be under water.

I am not aware that SLRN defeated main Denmark fleet few times. I remember pirates beat GB quite hard and RUS fleet stop playing after introduction of 4th rate battles. SLRN was very short living big flame.

Tom Farseer, when I talk about leadership of course I over generilize. İt can be one big clan who blocks cooperation, it can be someone who forces his vision on others, it can be someone average with battle leading. Doesn't matter. At the end wolf stops following highly prized dog. Dog can't be challenged in big nations, cause he still have the power of the big pack behind him. İf it is working you have your leadership, if it is not working you don't have it.

 

[VirtuallyIdiotic]

It is pointless to talk about pre-release. It has little to no effect on the current post-release politics. Much of the clans listed are gone. Time for new tales to be formed.

[Barbarosa]

19 minutes ago, Davos Seasworth said:

It is pointless to talk about pre-release. It has little to no effect on the current post-release politics. Much of the clans listed are gone. Time for new tales to be formed.

Ok.

It's great to have wise people like you guiding and telling us what to talk about. Cheers!

[VirtuallyIdiotic]

15 minutes ago, Barbarosa said:

Ok.

It's great to have wise people like you guiding and telling us what to talk about. Cheers!

Go ahead if you wish to continue discuss old stories where others will contradict based upon their own viewpoints, personal grudges, experiences, etc. All it does is continue meaningless discussions that contribute nothing to the current environment of the game and even the politics. Stay in the past bickering or you push on forward. The wipe and release has drastically changed the balance of the server. Espana lost complete control of the Gulf, the Dutch are a viable strong nation, and Prussia had a major exodus just to name a few. The Union of Santo Domingo occurred as well. These are the things that should be discussed. Not SLRN or RDNN.

Edited July 16, 2019 by Davos Seasworth

[Poryv]

European Danish clan Heavn hidig behind 11-14 timers.

Shame!

Edited July 16, 2019 by Poryv

[Beeekonda]

29 minutes ago, Poryv said:

European Danish clan Heavn hidig behind 11-14 timers.

Shame!

 

Who cares? Banished been hiding behind those his entire NA career. Nobody cares

[Bart Smith]

5 minutes ago, Koveras said:

Short answer: Regional servers.

With 150-200 players on each? Come on...

[Potemkin]

lmao! timer argument is just what this thread needs

[Guest]

11:00-14:00 is actually a great time for me..

[Tom Farseer]

Funny how people are pissed about EU clans using 11-14 timers when GBs EU fleet could defend 4 out of 8 flipped ports in the Bahamas in that exact time frame

[Celtiberofrog]

I guess we got to be a bit more patient to see the server with wealthier Factions.

Rusian Faction has wan the military race thx to its population of active veteran players,

now will this Faction capable to sustain its growth & expansion on long run ? 

 

[North]

19 minutes ago, Celtiberofrog said:

I guess we got to be a bit more patient to see the server with wealthier Factions.

Rusian Faction has wan the military race thx to its population of active veteran players,

now will this Faction capable to sustain its growth & expansion on long run ? 

 

To be fair, the Dutch was the first on the server with fully upgraded port and the first to have a 1st rate produced.

[Poryv]

4 hours ago, Tom Farseer said:

Funny how people are pissed about EU clans using 11-14 timers when GBs EU fleet could defend 4 out of 8 flipped ports in the Bahamas in that exact time frame

Thats why GB changed Salamanca and Belize timer from 11-14 in the week days to 5-8 last weekend.

My respect for GB went from WOW after Salamanca battles to LOW since your timer game.

[Tom Farseer]

26 minutes ago, Poryv said:

My respect for GB went from WOW after Salamanca battles to LOW since your timer game. 

Not my timer game Not GB anymore since release...

[Teutonic]

44 minutes ago, Liberalism said:

Ah, was it only Banished? I thought everyone did it in all nations. Just take a look how Cap Francais timer changed from 0-3 to 16-19 after King of Crowns started his crusade against pirates Don't be a hypocrite and face the truth. Prussia did defend its ports, no matter the timer. Was it night, evening, morning, we had battles in all time zones. Salina Point tells a long story... 

You all keep crying about timers, but Reverse did take Kidds Island from WO during the night timers, I didn't see him crying. Grow a pair in your pants and man up.

oh so it did. I guess the pirates heard they would be attacked in the US tz 🤔.

Time to call the EU timezone.

Edited July 17, 2019 by Teutonic

[Bart Smith]

18 hours ago, Koveras said:

EU would be much bigger.

Even if so... what about rest of players then?

[Bart Smith]

1 minute ago, Staunberg said:

Well the pop is for the devs to care about, oure job is to play and have fun

Having fun in naval Action is to have enemies to sink - what you guys propose by make regional servers is opposite. No reason to splitting such a low population ...