Patch 29 Feedback topic. Sextant, ui improvements and localization preparation.

[SS Minnow]

The mission chest loot has changed apparently...some new upgrades I haven't seen before also (no new upgrades).  The UI looks great...so much smoother and faster.  I notice better frame rate and overall smoother appearance in OW as well.  Here's the loot table for mission chest 1 before and after:

 

MissionChest1-before.pdf

MissionChest1-after.pdf

Edited December 18, 2018 by SS Minnow

[AeRoTR]

6 minutes ago, SS Minnow said:

The mission chest loot has changed apparently...some new upgrades I haven't seen before also.  The UI looks great...so much smoother and faster.  I notice better frame rate and overall smoother appearance in OW as well.  Here's the loot table for mission chest 1 before and after:

 

MissionChest1-before.pdf

MissionChest1-after.pdf

I see lots of boarding mods, very nice ! Make that rage boarders greater ...

[Macjimm]

Navigation would still be possible if we could see our ship's co-ordinates ( as numbers) and remove the GPS dot from the map.  Sailing is more fun with some things to do.  Interpreting the co-ordinates and locating the position on the map is something to do while sailing.  Provides the illusion that we are navigating.  Seeing a GPS dot, or circle, on the map is different from interpreting co-ords.

The argument that the co-ords (as numbers) promotes ganking was a rationale for removing the grid from the ingame map and the eventual removal of F11.  But a map with a grid is still available as a JPG, or a third party app, and now our position is now marked as the GPS dot on the ingame map.  There is nothing to stop the ganking promotion because ganker can use F11, the GPS dot and a 3rd party map to coordinate and communicate their positions.  Removing F11 will have no impact on ganking now.

Likewise, there was a suggestion that the removal of the map grid and F11 would force players to sail near shore and ports and thereby increase PvP opportunities: the GPS dot now allows for instant positioning far out at sea.

I'm not asking for special coding or scripting.   But please leave the F11.   It can be the sextant for those of us who like to navigate.   There is no reason to remove the F11 co-ords anymore.  You could even require perks to access F11 so those of us that can see F11 co-ords don't have an advantage.

Or if F11 must go, please allow us an option to turn off the GPS dot.  That way we can use our navigation skills and refer to the dot as an occasional position check.  Currently the dot is persistent and is difficult to ignore.  If we could switch the dot on, and off, then we could pretend that it is a fix provided by sightings from time to time.

I'm just hoping for options to keep sailing fun and increase interest.

Edited December 18, 2018 by Macjimm

[Baptiste Gallouédec]

Use protractor and chronometer if you like navigating, then you will save 2pts perk.

[jodgi]

5 hours ago, Released Privateer said:

Loot from Sealed Bottles might be even worse now or still sucks in general.

just tested three bottles. Two of em were ok with teak, carta, grietje and carpenters. The third one was 5 greenhearts and 3 jutland amber, that must be the shittiest wreck I've ever looted. 

[Anolytic]

Did the patch reset trade goods stock in ports? Because two days ago I scouted 2300+ of a trade goods in one port, and when I got there now with a trader to buy some of it, there was nothing in the store. And I don't mean just none of that trade goods, but nothing at all. There's no trade goods or resources there at all. And I know nobody bought it all since my visit. First of all because that's about 14 trips with 4 Indiaman. Second of all because that port taxed less than 2000 reals total in the last two days.

Actually, while I was writing this, 5 Arabian Coffee spawned in the port.

[La bouche]

2 hours ago, Anolytic said:

Did the patch reset trade goods stock in ports? Because two days ago I scouted 2300+ of a trade goods in one port, and when I got there now with a trader to buy some of it, there was nothing in the store. And I don't mean just none of that trade goods, but nothing at all. There's no trade goods or resources there at all. And I know nobody bought it all since my visit. First of all because that's about 14 trips with 4 Indiaman. Second of all because that port taxed less than 2000 reals total in the last two days.

Actually, while I was writing this, 5 Arabian Coffee spawned in the port.

Yesterday Aves had “zero” goods in shops, except by the contracts placed by players 

[Sir Texas Sir]

7 hours ago, Macjimm said:

Navigation would still be possible if we could see our ship's co-ordinates ( as numbers) and remove the GPS dot from the map.  Sailing is more fun with some things to do.  Interpreting the co-ordinates and locating the position on the map is something to do while sailing.  Provides the illusion that we are navigating.  Seeing a GPS dot, or circle, on the map is different from interpreting co-ords.

The argument that the co-ords (as numbers) promotes ganking was a rationale for removing the grid from the ingame map and the eventual removal of F11.  But a map with a grid is still available as a JPG, or a third party app, and now our position is now marked as the GPS dot on the ingame map.  There is nothing to stop the ganking promotion because ganker can use F11, the GPS dot and a 3rd party map to coordinate and communicate their positions.  Removing F11 will have no impact on ganking now.

Likewise, there was a suggestion that the removal of the map grid and F11 would force players to sail near shore and ports and thereby increase PvP opportunities: the GPS dot now allows for instant positioning far out at sea.

I'm not asking for special coding or scripting.   But please leave the F11.   It can be the sextant for those of us who like to navigate.   There is no reason to remove the F11 co-ords anymore.  You could even require perks to access F11 so those of us that can see F11 co-ords don't have an advantage.

Or if F11 must go, please allow us an option to turn off the GPS dot.  That way we can use our navigation skills and refer to the dot as an occasional position check.  Currently the dot is persistent and is difficult to ignore.  If we could switch the dot on, and off, then we could pretend that it is a fix provided by sightings from time to time.

I'm just hoping for options to keep sailing fun and increase interest.

Some folks want simple so keep the GPS a perk, but every one should have the optoin of Map with cords and grids on it.   That way we can look at the map and plan things out our self or figure where we are.  If you suck at reading long/lat than you will still get lost as it's based off human error and skill and not just magically given to you the location on the map like the perk does.  

Most the time if it was a gank we just say it's out side this port or NW of it or something, you rarely hear folks use cords any more unless we are setting up on top of some one to gank them when they get out of a battle.  the way to fix this is not give accurate Long/Lat so your in a general area not exact cords.  F11 gives to accurate details of location and that is how you fix that is not give the exact location, but a general location of the area your in and than folks still have to look at the map, do a cross referance of the Long and Lat and hope they are in the right area off that.   

Keep the GPS dot as a perk for those that want it, just means they are less one perk out of 5 that could go towards combat perks.  You now it will be mostly traders, new players and casuals using it as it takes up combat perks slots.  It's like when you see the guy with 4 ships, you know he has no other slots and prob going to suck at combat as half the time they never put cannons on the trade ships either.  That's his fault for taking those perks.  

4 hours ago, Released Privateer said:

Mine was 12 French Sail Cloth and 6 Nassau Quartermasters...

 Had one that was the book for stay sails, a few of the ones to make french gunnery and one other mats.   It was a bottle i had open for weeks now and havne't went to get cause it was out of the way.

[Njord]

On 12/18/2018 at 1:12 PM, Released Privateer said:

I know what we had before. It was supposed to be improved/better/higher value etc. but simply it just contains some new items, not really of high value (based on 1 bottle loot only doe). Not sure if RNG much, need to wait for

Found a bottle today... it had 700 WO logs and 5 "Jutland Amber". Barely worth picking up, it sure wouldn't have been with any other worthless wood type except maybe teak. Doesn't seem like more value indeed.

[Hethwill]

After a wipe you will pick them up.

[Angus MacDuff]

I have had a wreck near Hispaniola for a week.  Sailed past it and looked at it, but haven't been bothered to pick it up. 

[Thonys]

👍@admin

The paint in port is fixed.

excellent job. 

[LeBoiteux]

About La Renommée, Cerberus and the Surprise in shallows., Admin wrote :

On 12/17/2018 at 5:13 PM, admin said:

Currently we need to (...) letting them into shallows (as lineships of the bahamas) will make them popular and used again.

It is exactly the current feeling I have when I now fight 7/6th-Rates in a Renommée (I did not before) : being in a lineship, ie heavy in terms of weight and armament.

A new feeling for me while sailing her. Till now, I had the feeling of sailing a light ship when fighting against bigger frigates (such as La Belle Poule...).

But it is maybe a truer, more historical feeling. La Renommée was not a light frigate when she was built in 1744, carrying 8-pdr / 30 guns. Back then, French light frigates carried 6-pdr. For example, light frigate La Panthère (1745) only had 20 x 6-pdr. As to 12-pdr frigates, they would become the norm only later in the French Navy. So La Renommée could have been considered as kind of a 'heavy' frigate at her time.

And letting La Renommée in shallows fighting smaller and more agile preys gives her that very feeling of a 'heavy' frigate. 

Nice move IMHO.

PS : however, knowing nothing about British ships, I can't tell anything about the two others : HMS Cerberus or HMS Surprise

• HMS Cerberus is also an early frigate (1758)
• HMS Surprise is a later ship (1794), kind of a 'freak' : a French heavy corvette, even more armed by the British after her capture. 🙂

Edited December 19, 2018 by LeBoiteux

[Tiedemann]

I'm at nassau event in Suprise, and I get message that because I'm in a 5. rate I can not join a battle  

NAB-85592

Edited December 19, 2018 by Tiedemann

[staun]

10 hours ago, Tiedemann said:

I'm at nassau event in Suprise, and I get message that because I'm in a 5. rate I can not join a battle  

NAB-85592

Wird. I have been in several battles against surprices yesterday and also this morning.

[Tiedemann]

In the beginning I could enter, but after I while I got this. After this I got attacked, and some others where able to join my battle in Surprises so it is not a constant issue. 

[Macjimm]

4 hours ago, admin said:

Sextant is a very widely used perk now. players love sextant. 

• Sextant as GPS dot is staying.
• F11 will be removed.
• Sextant as Less Precise grid numbers will not be added. (At least not until other priorities are addressed)

Could we please add the option to toggle the GPS dot, on/off, while sailing in OW.  This would allow players to navigate without having a GPS dot showing all of the time, but it could be accessed when needed.  Currently we can access F11 when we chose.  The grid numbers are not continuously displayed.  Players may want the Sextant perk as a back-up, for use only in specific conditions.  Hopefully toggling the GPS dot would be similar to toggling fishing, and it can be coded easily.

@admin

 

Edited December 21, 2018 by Macjimm

[z4ys]

There is no option to send upgrades from the "upgrades chest" to the warehouse. Only clan warehouse is possible.

[z4ys]

no guns equiped still showing guns

[admin]

3 minutes ago, z4ys said:

 

no guns equiped still showing guns

that's not a bug. Its a feature to minimize draw calls (that ruin fps in large battles). this is a feature on all 3deckers.

[Hethwill]

 

Can we improve the Admiralty by "greying out" the Books / Blueprints / whatever items one already has ?

So the list would show all but the ones one already possess to be with a mark or different colour.

[LeBoiteux]

^ already lost doublons because of that...

[Custard]

On 12/25/2018 at 6:26 PM, Hethwill the Red Duke said:

 

Can we improve the Admiralty by "greying out" the Books / Blueprints / whatever items one already has ?

So the list would show all but the ones one already possess to be with a mark or different colour.

And if a book is in clan warehouse show the 'You already learned this book' Please

[qw569😳]

On 12/18/2018 at 3:12 PM, Released Privateer said:

I know what we had before. It was supposed to be improved/better/higher value etc. but simply it just contains some new items, not really of high value (based on 1 bottle loot only doe). Not sure if RNG much, need to wait for @qw569

I needed time to catch more bottles.

Result of 6 bottles

 

 

From this data and previous I found suitable loot tables from the API.

 

Id	Name	Chance	Stack.Min	Stack.Max
602	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	1	1	A Treatise on Square Sails Trim
602	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	1	1	A Treatise on Rigging Handling
602	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	1	1	Service Historique de la Marine
602	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	1	1	A Treatise on Staysails Trim
602	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	1	1	Instructions aux Canonniers
602	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	1	1	The old Flag Officer
602	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	1	1	Expert Carpentry Handbook
602	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	1	1	The Complete Fencing Master
602	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	1	1	Treatise on Making Saltpeter
603	PortBattleLootTableModules	0.03	1	1	Means of Directing the Fire
603	PortBattleLootTableModules	0.03	1	1	L'Horizon Balistique
603	PortBattleLootTableModules	0.03	1	1	Sur le Canonnage a Bord
603	PortBattleLootTableModules	0.03	1	1	Table of Parts of Ships of War
603	PortBattleLootTableModules	0.03	1	1	Art of Steering by Rudder
603	PortBattleLootTableModules	0.03	1	1	Art of Cargo Distribution
603	PortBattleLootTableModules	0.03	1	1	The Water Book
603	PortBattleLootTableModules	0.03	1	1	The Fire Book
603	PortBattleLootTableModules	0.03	1	1	The Wind Book
603	PortBattleLootTableModules	0.03	1	1	The Ground Book
603	PortBattleLootTableModules	0.03	1	1	The Book of the Void
604	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	5	25	French Sail Cloth
604	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	500	1500	White Oak Log
604	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	5	25	Greenheart Logs
604	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	5	25	Swedish Carpenter
604	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	5	25	Barbary Coast Canvas
604	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	500	1500	Live Oak Log
604	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	500	1500	Bermuda Cedar
604	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	500	1500	Teak Log
669	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	3	8	Gold Coast Ivory
669	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	3	8	Sevres Stained Glass
669	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	5	25	Diplome de L'ecole D'artillerie
669	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	3	8	Spanish Gold Coins
669	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	3	8	French Gold Livres
669	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	3	8	Sevilla Muskets
669	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	3	8	Stolen Goods
669	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	3	8	Madagascar Jewels
669	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	5	25	Cartagena Tar
669	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	100	500	Copper Ingots
669	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	0.5	1	7	Labor Contracts
744	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	5	25	Grietje van Dijk
744	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	5	25	Spanish Square Sails
744	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	5	25	Crooked Cedar
744	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	5	25	Nassau Quartermaster
744	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	5	25	Guacata Saltpeter
744	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	5	25	British Running Rigging
744	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	5	25	Royal Naval College Graduate
744	PortBattleLootTableCrnotes	1	3	8	Jutland Amber

 

Edited December 27, 2018 by qw569

[Acid burn]

i also want a grid map, i like the sixstand perk.

what i dont like is the new trade update, trade goods have been reduced dramaticly, what is really not a good thing for game economy.

and i also want to advocate to keep in the future a trader tool available, maybe take out the distance markers but to be honnest them being in game aswel is not really a bad thing ither (the distance markers). but the trader tool itselve, u should keep it definitvly in game !

Edited December 27, 2018 by Acid burn