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  1. 1. Pick the vessel you'd like to sail most

    • 1. Malicieuse (1758, French 32-gun frigate)
      3
    • 2. Niger-class (1759, British 32-gun frigate)
      7
    • 3. Euridice (1802, Dutch 32-gun frigate)
      7
    • 4. Carolina (1808, Austrian 34-gun frigate)
      3
    • 5. Saint Nicholas (1790, Russian 34-gun frigate)
      12
    • 6. Santa Monica (1777, Spanish 36-gun frigate)
      5
    • 7. Friderichsværn (1784, Danish 36-gun frigate)
      15
    • 8. Venus, Bellona-class (1783, Swedish 40-gun frigate)
      17
    • 9. Princesa Real (1819, Portuguese 50-gun frigate)
      15
    • 10. Leopard, Portland-class (1790, British 50-gun 4th rate)
      9
    • 11. Le Jason (1724, French 52-gun 4th rate)
      4
    • 12. Principe da Beira (1774, Portuguese 54-gun 4th rate)
      2
    • 13. Prinses Frederika Louise Wilhelmina (1779, Dutch 54-gun 4th rate)
      3
    • 14. Leeuwenhorst (1742, Dutch 56-gun 4th rate)
      3
    • 15. Delft (1782, Dutch 56-gun 4th rate)
      6
    • 16. Fama-class (1784, Venetian 66-gun 4th rate)
      6
    • 17. Wenden (1706, Danish 70-gun 3rd rate)
      11
    • 18. San Giovanni (1789, Maltese 70-gun 3rd rate)
      0
    • 19. Göta Lejon (1746, Swedish 74-gun 3rd rate)
      8
    • 20. Vrijheid-class (1782, Dutch 74-gun 3rd rate)
      10
    • 21. Le Monarque, Sceptre-class (1747, French 74-gun 3rd rate)
      1
    • 22. Téméraire-class (1782, French 74-gun 3rd rate)
      124
    • 23. San Juan Nepomuceno (1766, Spanish 74-gun 3rd rate)
      3
    • 24. Montañés-class (1794, Spanish 74-gun 3rd rate)
      134
    • 25. Rainha de Portugal (1791, Portuguese 74-gun 3rd rate)
      6
    • 26. Wreker-class (1798, Dutch 80-gun 3rd rate)
      107
    • 27. Foudroyant (1798, British 80-gun 3rd rate)
      15


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Intrepido    2,183

I agree with Peter. We already have plenty of frigates in the game while we really lack third rate ships.

When you want to go to choose an OW SoL is always the same, Bellona, Pavel or Buc. We really need to have a good increase of the variety at those ranges. One more ship wouldnt be enough, the devs should do a good bet and decide to add at least 2 more third rates.

We only have one real 3rd ship, the Bellona. The third rate is just the same model of the Bellona without decorations and nothing special, thats why people dont even bother to craft it.

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Liq    3,268
4 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

I agree with Peter. We already have plenty of frigates in the game while we really lack third rate ships.

When you want to go to choose an OW SoL is always the same, Bellona, Pavel or Buc. We really need to have a good increase of the variety at those ranges. One more ship wouldnt be enough, the devs should do a good bet and decide to add at least 2 more third rates.

We only have one real 3rd ship, the Bellona. The third rate is just the same model of the Bellona without decorations and nothing special, thats why people dont even bother to craft it.

Well yeah that's the point of this poll. Different players have different goals to achieve in the game, different ships to be used for the tasks. The more Solo pvpers, the more are gonna vote for small frigates; the more RvR / big group-battles interested players, the more are gonna vote for Lineships.

(though please can we have the Niger Class anyway :) )

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Sella22    638
1 hour ago, no one said:

i didn't find any information about "Princesa Real" gun loadouts or any other images.

It is a dev request, so i ask if i can have additional information about this ship?

 

Thank you

The plans of the 74 gun principe real are available for purchase  in the Portuguese maritime museum as far as I know.  Not sure about the 90 gun version 

Edit: oops misread the name.  Nevermind :D

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Haratik    229

Add a Dutch vessel, a Portuguese vessel, and either of the Austrian, Venetian, or Maltese vessels with a staff chosen wildcard (I'd prefer the Montañés, but it's not my vote) and we're done here.  Why are there French and British ships listed?  Does nothing to emphasize the need for representation from other seafaring nations.  Not to mention they're wasted votes when the emphasis was on underrepresented nations.

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Wicked Mouse    274
2 minutes ago, Haratik said:

Add a Dutch vessel, a Portuguese vessel, and either of the Austrian, Venetian, or Maltese vessels with a staff chosen wildcard (I'd prefer the Montañés, but it's not my vote) and we're done here.  Why are there French and British ships listed?  Does nothing to emphasize the need for representation from other seafaring nations.

Preferable a Dutch ship from before the Napoleonic occupation, as they all really started to look the same after that. Pretty but a lot like each other.

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Haratik    229
19 minutes ago, Sella22 said:

The plans of the 74 gun principle real are available for purchase  in the Portuguese maritime museum as far as I know.  Not sure about the 90 gun version 

If those plans exist they might be in Brazil (Rio de Janeiro Naval Museum), seeing as she became part of the Brazilian Imperial Navy after Brazil broke from Portugal.

Granted, by that point she was no longer a 90 gun vessel, but they might have them regardless.

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Fluffy Fishy    741
8 hours ago, Barberouge said:

If the breadth is 37 piedi then it should be 13m (1 piede = 0.348m, 1 foot = .3048m).

Thank you for pointing this out, I'm not sure why it was the wrong measurement, still at 12.86m beam she is much closer to the 50 SoLs and heavy frigates, clue being she is a Fregata Grossa, not Navi di Linea, I feel like she might be more at home with the other large frigates and SoLs, she makes much more sense as a 4th rate in this context.

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2 hours ago, Haratik said:

Add a Dutch vessel, a Portuguese vessel, and either of the Austrian, Venetian, or Maltese vessels with a staff chosen wildcard (I'd prefer the Montañés, but it's not my vote) and we're done here.  Why are there French and British ships listed?  Does nothing to emphasize the need for representation from other seafaring nations.  Not to mention they're wasted votes when the emphasis was on underrepresented nations.

I'd "most likely sail" smaller vessels because I'm not close to top level yet, but balancing out both national representation and choice within size class should come before "fan polls".  I like the quoted direction - whatever ships of these nationalities are needed to add variety and balance to various ship classes sounds like a good plan to my novice ears.  (Denmark-Norway should probably get a ship but I really want to see Portugal and Venice/Malta/Austria/Russia too)

Edited by Barbancourt (rownd)

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Intrepido    2,183
27 minutes ago, Barbancourt (rownd) said:

I'd "most likely sail" smaller vessels because I'm not close to top level yet, but balancing out both national representation and choice within size class should come before "fan polls".  I like the quoted direction - whatever ships of these nationalities are needed to add variety and balance to various ship classes sounds like a good plan to my novice ears.  (Denmark-Norway should probably get a ship but I really want to see Portugal and Venice/Malta/Austria/Russia too)

Russia have already more ships in the game than Spain, for example.

About Venice, Malta, Portugal... why should we look into those navies when some of the most important nations in NA dont have even 1 ship built by them?

 

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1 hour ago, Intrepido said:

Russia have already more ships in the game than Spain, for example.

About Venice, Malta, Portugal... why should we look into those navies when some of the most important nations in NA dont have even 1 ship built by them?

 

Hmmmm - I forgot about Mercury, lul. 

The latter is always a good point about the deficiencies of available ships for our current nationality options.  Those holes should have been filled already.  Although for the "fun" value having some ships of currently "exotic" nations will be good for game atmosphere in the long run, and as has been said it is in part done to flesh out the lineup for the non-Carribean arena mode game.

 

Edited by Barbancourt (rownd)

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Intrepido    2,183
58 minutes ago, Barbancourt (rownd) said:

Hmmmm - I forgot about Mercury, lul. 

The latter is always a good point about the deficiencies of available ships for our current nationality options.  Those holes should have been filled already.  Although for the "fun" value having some ships of currently "exotic" nations will be good for game atmosphere in the long run, and as has been said it is in part done to flesh out the lineup for the non-Carribean arena mode game.

 

Russia have St Pavel, Mercury and Frigate.

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Asmoday    34

Mi voto es el 68, he votado por el Montañés ... Personalmente me gustaría que ganase el navío San Juan Nepomuceno, pero supongo que la memoria suele fallar mucho ... Que rápido olvidamos a héroes caídos como Cosme Damián Churruca... Supongo que se olvida rápido que tuvo el valor de no abandonar a la combinada y plantar cara a seis navíos ingleses hasta el final fatídico donde murió desangrado tras perder su pierna ... Aguerrido marinero, gran científico y hombre ilustrado.

Dejo un video que recomiendo, ver el minuto 14:50 ... Un saludo.
 

My vote is 68, I voted for Montañes ... Personally i would like to win the ship San Juan Nepomuceno, but i guess the memory usually fails a lot, that quickly we forget fallen heroes like Cosme Damián Churruca ... I guess he quickly forgot that he bad the courage not to abandon the combined and to face six British ships until the fateful end where he died bled after losing his leg ... Hars sailor, great scientist and illustrated man.

I leave a video i recomended seeing the minute 14:50 ... Greetings.

 

Edited by Asmoday

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admin    28,106
11 hours ago, OneEyedSnake said:

And to add to it, we have had other polls where the Dutch ships came in second I believe and they said they would add two ships, I believe that was the hermione poll. And who the hell voted for the Hamburg. Or this Swedish ship? Don't get me wrong, it's a cool ship. But the swedes were nobodies at this time in this region. Well almost nobodies. The Dutch were a massive trade entity that used to rule the seas in the 1600s. And yet this major nation has no ships? It really is a statement of bias in my opinion. 

Snake

  • Indiaman class got into second place and was added to the game. Indiaman class won the vote - not the dutch indiaman amsterdam. In fact all winners are in the game or waiting for furnishings (slow to make). 
  • We promised 10 ships and they were in game long before early access release - every other ships is a GIFT from developers and community hull builders like @BungeeLemming to all players.

You don't ask a gift horse too many questions, and if you want more gifts your tone is very inappropriate.

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Intrepido    2,183
5 minutes ago, admin said:

Snake

  • Indiaman class got into second place and was added to the game. Indiaman won the vote - not the dutch indiaman. In fact all winners are in the game or waiting for furnishings (slow to make). 
  • We promised 10 ships that are in game - every other ships is a GIFT from developers and community hull builders like @BungeeLemming to all players.

You don't ask a gift horse too many questions, and if you want more gifts your tone is very inappropriate. 

Which ships are almost ready? Eager to sail more good ships like the last ones you added.

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admin    28,106
3 hours ago, Intrepido said:

Russia have already more ships in the game than Spain, for example.

All ships were voted by community. Community decides. 

But members of the community can influence other members to vote for their ships and sometimes bypass this by showing their commitment and drive to the developers by their ACTIONS (remember action leads to results, complaining does not).

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admin    28,106
2 hours ago, Barbancourt (rownd) said:

Hmmmm - I forgot about Mercury, lul. 

The latter is always a good point about the deficiencies of available ships for our current nationality options.  Those holes should have been filled already.  Although for the "fun" value having some ships of currently "exotic" nations will be good for game atmosphere in the long run, and as has been said it is in part done to flesh out the lineup for the non-Carribean arena mode game.

 

Mercury is a community voted ship

Managing expectations again.
Those holes SHOULD NOT have been filled already. Nobody owes anyone ships and we have never promised to fill some holes to anyone. The promise is 10 vessels. We don't update the website ship section deliberately. All promised ships (guaranteed ships) are on the website. 

Community members who want specific ships to get in must influence community members and developers directly by actions and kindness. (complaining will not help dutch to get to 1th place and will not help to get in to development without polls (like some ships we like)

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admin    28,106
8 hours ago, Peter Goldman said:

To be honest, I expected 3 ships to be chosen, 1 of each. I am pretty disappointed.

You are dissapointed with what? That we have given you a chance an amazing opportunity to pick a ship to add to game? You are the reason developers just add all new content as paid DLCs in loot boxes, because of never-ending demands by entitled groups, which make normal players suffer because if it was not for such never ending demands they could have just got the new content for free.

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Intrepido    2,183
18 minutes ago, admin said:

All ships were voted by community. Community decides. 

But members of the community can influence other members to vote for their ships and sometimes bypass this by showing their commitment and drive to the developers by their ACTIONS (remember action leads to results, complaining does not).

I know that community decides most of the ships. I have seen all the polls.

I have been playing this game since almost two years and trying to give always my thoughts without so much rant I believe.

Edited by Intrepido

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Teutonic    1,056
35 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Which ships are almost ready? Eager to sail more good ships like the last ones you added.

I too am eager to sail more ships.

Although I am with a few others - Wish the 3rd rate we have in the game would be more "beefy" in the sense, it's currently outclassed by a few 4th rates and the Bellona. If someone is sailing a 3rd rate there are just getting themselves into trouble.

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admin    28,106
14 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

I know that community decides most of the ships. I have seen all the polls.

I have been playing this game since almost two years and trying to giving always my thoughts without so much rant I believe.

players forget that people make ships. not machines. 
every phrase they say here influences real people
how they say things here influences people 
every action they make here, in game, on steam forum or in steam reviews influences people 

Everyone knows dutch ship needs to get in but I wonder why players are voting for Temeraire and Montanes even when they know that dutch players really really want a dutch ship? What influences them and how? How posts in this topic will influence my wildcard choice, as honestly i feel sorry that i even started this poll as all i get in this topic is hate.

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Asmoday    34

Entiendo el esfuerzo que requiere realizar una replica en 3D de un navío de la época (básicamente el simple proceso de informarse al 100% ya es un arduo trabajo). El problema es la ignorancia de la gente y luchar contra eso y explicarles que es un proceso laborioso en ocasiones es imposible, es como luchar contra la corriente, algo que a la larga agota. Entiendo que en el futuro añadirán más barcos pues el Naval Action que sentido tendría si no cuenta con la mayoría de los navíos representativos de la época. 

Mi opinión personal y teniendo en cuenta el trabajo que requiere cada navío es que se tendría que modelar uno para cada facción, esto ayudaría a la hora de equilibrar las peticiones de los distintos usuarios de la comunidad y reduciría el grado de frustración de muchos de ellos ... Programas como el 3DMAX+V-Ray no son tan complejos a la hora de modelar e integrar dichos modelos con sus texturas en el motor Unity 5 con sus pertinentes animaciones, mi recomendación personal es ir poco a poco añadiendo navíos para alimentar el interés de la gente en el juego, también sería recomendable revisar algunos bug de colisiones, efectos y mecanicas.

No basta en ocasiones en hacer participe a la gente en un foro por medio de votaciones, es necesario mostrarles el trabajo que realizan los desarrolladores y que vean el proceso en su conjunto para que lo puedan a la larga entender.

I understand the effort required to make a 3D replica of a ship of the time (basically the simple process of informing yourself at 100% is already an arduous job). The problem is the ignorance of the people and to fight against that and to explain to them that it is a laborious process sometimes is impossible, is like to fight against the current, something that exhausts exhausts. I understand that in the future they will add more ships because the Naval Action would have sense if it does not have most of the representative ships of the time.

My personal opinion and taking into account the work required by each ship is that it would have to model one for each faction, this would help in balancing the requests of the different users of the community and would reduce the degree of frustration of many of them ... Programs like 3DMAX + V-Ray are not so complex when it comes to modeling and integrating these models with their textures in the Unity 5 engine with their relevant animations, my personal recommendation is to gradually add ships to feed the interest of the people in the game, it would also be advisable to check some collision, effects and mechanics bug.

It is not enough sometimes to involve people in a forum by voting, it is necessary to show them the work done by the developers and to see the process as a whole so that they can eventually understand it. 


 
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Arvenski    316

We're really, really short on 3rd rates, if you ask me. I pretty quickly narrowed it down to the Temeraire and the Montañes classes for me, but it wasn't totally easy for me to choose between the two. The Montañes-class is the sort of lovely underdog ship that people should vote for to help it get ingame, IMO, but the Temeraire-class was a very influential design which I feel has been noticeably absent from the game. If the devs were to come out and say that they were already working on a Temeraire, I'd switch my vote to the Montañes. As things are, though, my vote's for the Temeraire: it's time we had one of them ingame. I'll be happy to see either one of them win, though.

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Intrepido    2,183
45 minutes ago, admin said:

players forget that people make ships. not machines. 
every phrase they say here influences real people
how they say things here influences people 
every action they make here, in game, on steam forum or in steam reviews influences people 

Everyone knows dutch ship needs to get in but I wonder why players are voting for Temeraire and Montanes even when they know that dutch players really really want a dutch ship? What influences them and how? How posts in this topic will influence my wildcard choice, as honestly i feel sorry that i even started this poll as all i get in this topic is hate.

Hate is a strong word.

I highly doubt anyone around wanted to sound like that.

We all know that a dutch ship will be on the works after this poll. Some captains also want to see a bit more ships from their nation. And the best thing is that all of them looks nice and are going to be great content to the game.

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The Spud    593

I think we realy need a 3rd rate ship to compete with the bellona for the sake of variation.

Maybe keep this poll open long enough and let admins post the link in global chat every now and then, so people won't complain they never knew there could be voted.

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