Kloothommel Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, Sovereign said: The average OW player sadly... And then comes back with 5 mates to gank the living daylights out of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latron Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Here's little things I have issues with while going through the tutorial: The text box is underneath the report button on my screen which looks bad. Demasting is tricky since the guns aren't very accurate. The ship you're shooting in the gunnery tutorial should be angled so the masts appear closer together. The different types of guns at least need to be mentioned in the gunnery tutorial The player should be instructed to go to dead slow, and slowly make their way to full sail throughout the sailing tutorial to let the player learn that there is more than just sitting still and hauling ass. After the wind turned perpendicular to my ship in the special maneuvers tutorial and I was instructed to go to full sail, it wouldn't allow me to go beyond half sails for about a minute. In special maneuvers the player should have to sail in a complete circle, including tacking through the wind, to allow them to have a true understanding of how to handle the ship at any wind angle. You know noobs will still get stuck in the wind regardless of the tutorial as it is. Instructing players to press one button after another is one thing, but for some it's a better learning experience to figure it out on their own, so giving the player free reign of the ship to sail it as they please might better help them understand. So perhaps after they sail in a circle and stop in the objective, let them do what they want and end the tutorial when they're ready to leave. The ship you're shooting in pursuit and capture doesn't get many holes in the sails as you chain it. That should really be a thing. More time should be given for the demasting exam. Shooting a thin target from a fast moving platform with an inaccurate gun takes getting used to. Some new players are sure to struggle with it. The endurance exam should have been against 2 rookie brigs because the normal brigs seemed to rip through my hull a lot more than it should. At one point I had to sail away for 30 minutes to let myself repair before I could keep fighting. I know that kinda defeats the purpose of an endurance exam but lots of new players may not understand the hint of bouncing shots at certain angles. They'll just see the enemy and think that they should go shoot at it exactly like they did in previous fights. The exams in general got pretty boring since it has only brigs. The player should be given a different 6th rate for each one just to spice it up a bit But overall, it's still pretty nice. The rewards are great too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Przemo Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 18 hours ago, admin said: Tutorial. UI. Localization is the main priority right now. You can expect this first. Need help with polish localization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim McSauce Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Cornelius Trash said: If they really wanted good fights, they wouldn't have joined the same nation? **cough Prussia cough** As if the game has enough content to take pvp out of capitals and into other nation's players. Edited April 21, 2018 by Slim McSauce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeamanStaines Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 It wasn't a good start when I failed the "look left" and "look right" exam. It just got worse and reached a low point in the endurance exam. First time it was looking good but when I went to loot the first ship the "horrible prick" flash boarded me. Second and third attempt I got creamed by the second vessel because I could not loot the first ship. Fourth attempt I was looking good having looted the first ship but the internet crashed.. The last attempt was a repeat of 2 and 3. I now feel like a failure, and have turned to drinking methylated spirit. Wife has left me because I sit in the corner weeping all day. But seriously, if the idea of the tutorial is to encourage/train new players is it necessary to crush and humiliate them? They will get plenty of that in OW later without the AI beating the crap out of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 A bit offtopic, but in the vein of "practice makes perfect" types of game, not unlike NA or other similar examples given by @admin, regarding tutorials or welcoming the player into a game where there's no aim-click-kill mechanics, but rather a very complex combat enfironment, whether the player is aware or not. This screen appears "one time and one time only" in a game where constant practice is a must. It has no "one way to do things" but a dynamic approach to combat, where a lot can happen and no combat will ever be the same. Somehow something like this could be added to NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z4ys Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hethwill said: Nobody will read. Only experience will teach and the tutorial, exams and especially the final one are a good way to show that. "Better be ready stay or leave now" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelsons Barrel Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Just now, z4ys said: Nobody will read. Sadly true. Just look how many players complain in chats how they cant skip the tutorial without never ever being able to do it again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodgi Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 10 hours ago, Cornelius Trash said: If they really wanted good fights, they wouldn't have joined the same nation? Sure Prussia has good players, but are we pretending other factions don't? Should I start a list of players I've seen fight who are in other nations? (There are many good players I'm not yet aware of.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfalbigensian Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 ok I've been playing this game for about three wks now, I like it a lot and think it has great potential, I like pvp but I also like the trading element too, though trading is very difficult when constantly getting ganked , wouldn't mind loosing a ship or two but atm seems if you're fleet gets caught you'll loose the lot even if you escape leaving your fleet behind, would like to see a scupper option for traders that pops up if you find yourself vastly outnumbered as it may discourage 3-4+ players taking all and allow solo pvp'rs to take a ship get their reward whilst you make your escape with what's left, now about the tutorial overall yes it's quite good, had a little struggle with the demasting but succeeded on second try, the endurance I managed to complete on my third attempt, however the final exam is so ridiculously hard, extreamely annoying and is very close to putting me off the game completely it's no fun at all, and I've tried several different tactics/strategies and keep trying all to no avail, I thought this was a tutorial not a world championship final. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victor Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, jodgi said: Sure Prussia has good players, but are we pretending other factions don't? Should I start a list of players I've seen fight who are in other nations? (There are many good players I'm not yet aware of.) But ... you are a noob anyways (of course you are not, but you are one of the few PVP really skilled players - so not a ganker pretending being a PVP god - that on this forum are disposed to maker reasoned discussions about how to make game enjoyable for ALL kind of players). Edited April 21, 2018 by victor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Texas Sir Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 13 hours ago, Wraith said: Don't forget, we really don't care about those noobs anyway. "Git gud or refund" is the mantra now: The funny thing is you can't get a refund after you get that far into the game, only like the first 1 or 2 can you still get one and I haven't even scratched the surface of a game in 1-2 hours. 12 hours ago, Wraith said: All OW PvP'ers have to do is look at combat news and go find where other hunters are at, or announce in Global that they're undocking at La Tortue, and say, "Come get me suckers." Or maybe try raising hostility a bit at a well known PvP'ing clan's port.. That will surely get action. Instead, a large chunk of those "PvP-is-my-life" players won't admit that they don't really want "good" fights, they just want to sink some ships, the easier the better, and get some marks. Which is totally fine by me, but then they shouldn't be all hypocritical about it. They should just own being a safe zone camping noob hunter and accept the moniker of seal clubber. That said, I'd love to see the dev's focus on player-generated content for increasing open world PvP opportunities (raids, blockades, escort, trade, pvp missions, etc., instead of twiddling needlessly on four different types of currency, mints, and the combat model. I think ti's funny one of the biggest RvR force in US player prime time complains about not getting RvR and PvP, but they keep moving there port timers later and later into the night. Like who the hell is going ot stay up to midnight to 3am (CST) to flip a port and do the port battle? It was bad enough when the timers where set to 9/10pm - 12-1am. You think they are doing it more to avoid PB's cause it seems they been all over the map lately at all types of times. What it means to me is they only want those ports to farm the crap out of US player base not to get good Port battles. Next they are going to piss off enough folks and we are all going to another octoflip on a clan. That was fun after all.... 12 hours ago, Cornelius Trash said: If they really wanted good fights, they wouldn't have joined the same nation? **cough Prussia cough** But they would have to kill AI to fight each other if they are in diffrent country's. Cause how else would they let some one know they want to fight other than doing agro at a port to get folks to come out? Not like it's hard to kill one or two AI and get that 25% with a group. TO me sounds more like some folks are lazy and only want the action deliever to them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr RideZ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Tutorial feedback: Difficulty is ok for PvE players, maybe a bit hard for new players but a good place to practice then. Good as a final exam tutorial difficulty. You have to learn basics to pass it. There could be more of these but named as "Challenges". Then Cerberus vs Bellona, etc. Easy to make content. Final Exam notes: You gave here an example how to win the Final Exam. Maybe after player losses the first fight there could be hints how to win it, give tactical advices. Boarding is too easy. Consider giving defender perk for all players and AI? Decrease the speed limit for boarding? Increase boarding round time, it is too fast now. Chain needs more testing. It can be that we simply move slower in our future fights. Probably not good for our gank based PvP. Demasting is average skill level way to win the final exam. Going in fighting both at the same time by hull bashing is probably the most difficult way to win. If bots were repairing like players this would clearly show the issues that we have in PvP. Most common PvP scenario in game is to gank or get ganked. Thickness was not high enough and too much repairing. Decrease cannon damage, increase repair kit cooldown and increase thickness. Repairing is boring and makes battles simply last longer. Actively angling your ship is much more fun. If I could win this with less repairs and more angling, I would be constantly active in combat. Repair kits create a boring time sink, has no purpose. Make boarding to be more difficult, on the same level as demasting. Make hull bashing easier to bring on the same level with demasting. If tutorial gave you hard time but you finished it, you learned really good amount of basics of NA. In the end wont make you better PvP player as PvP is so different. For example bots should actively repair and force you to nuke one out. @admin Should make himself a small test scenario. Remove all repairs from the Final Exam and fight those 2 at the same time. Modify battle variables so that you win by skill. Once you win the battle we are 100 steps closer to good PvP game. If you really want to keep s loads of repairs in this game, make the bots to repair and win it 1vs2 so that you are constantly fighting with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr RideZ Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I was hoping to get the new GUI already. Teaser looks amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Corvinus Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Cmdr RideZ said: Tutorial feedback: Difficulty is ok for PvE players, maybe a bit hard for new players but a good place to practice then. Good as a final exam tutorial difficulty. You have to learn basics to pass it. There could be more of these but named as "Challenges". Then Cerberus vs Bellona, etc. Easy to make content. Final Exam notes: You gave here an example how to win the Final Exam. Maybe after player losses the first fight there could be hints how to win it, give tactical advices. Boarding is too easy. Consider giving defender perk for all players and AI? Decrease the speed limit for boarding? Increase boarding round time, it is too fast now. Chain needs more testing. It can be that we simply move slower in our future fights. Probably not good for our gank based PvP. Demasting is average skill level way to win the final exam. Going in fighting both at the same time by hull bashing is probably the most difficult way to win. If bots were repairing like players this would clearly show the issues that we have in PvP. Most common PvP scenario in game is to gank or get ganked. Thickness was not high enough and too much repairing. Decrease cannon damage, increase repair kit cooldown and increase thickness. Repairing is boring and makes battles simply last longer. Actively angling your ship is much more fun. If I could win this with less repairs and more angling, I would be constantly active in combat. Repair kits create a boring time sink, has no purpose. Make boarding to be more difficult, on the same level as demasting. Make hull bashing easier to bring on the same level with demasting. If tutorial gave you hard time but you finished it, you learned really good amount of basics of NA. In the end wont make you better PvP player as PvP is so different. For example bots should actively repair and force you to nuke one out. @admin Should make himself a small test scenario. Remove all repairs from the Final Exam and fight those 2 at the same time. Modify battle variables so that you win by skill. Once you win the battle we are 100 steps closer to good PvP game. If you really want to keep s loads of repairs in this game, make the bots to repair and win it 1vs2 so that you are constantly fighting with them. I feel that these exams rely on a lot of luck to pass. On the final exam I hit masts on a ship up close 49 times and not one demast. I watched most of the balls squarely hit the mast from close range. Next attempt I manages to take 2 masts down on one and it still managed to be able to spin on the spot to shoot you, much too quickly for a 3-mast ship with only 1 mast left. The other ship with one mast down was sill able to turn and move very quickly. If you are lucky with RNG and manage to demast early on without too much damage to yourself then fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Texas Sir Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said: I can't understand everyone thinking that anyone who tries to get players out of the safe zone (give more reasons to leave it, more benefits) wants to gank and seal club... That is so naive and narrow-minded thinking. I spend the vast majority outside the safe zones, I do my all trading outside the safe zones, all my missions and PvE (yes, I'm a carebear and trader when no one is watching me). I don't really get any benefits of doing that and I'm putting myself at great risk, much higher than risk-free players inside the safe zones. I don't want safe zones to become an easy gankfest and seal clubbing zone, but I want players that like risk to have opportunity for much higher benefits by doing so. Let's stop with all the stupid "PvP crowd", "gankers", "seal clubbers" way of insulting people and flaming. PvP player starts to sound like an insult slowly... Positives of giving more reasons to leave the safe zones: 1) Opportunities for much higher benefits (that come at risk of course, higher risk = more benefits). 2) Population more equally spread all over the map, instead of concentrated only around capitals and free ports. 3) More PvP opportunities all over the map (that would encourage to stop capital and free ports camping/ganking). 4) More realistic game model. Currently the vast majority of map is filled with empty and useless ports and NPC fleets creating "fake crowd & traffic" effect. These changes require a massive economic overhaul and a lot of thinking. About the already boring "Prussians" stereotype, yea we are all gankers, seal clubbers and we want easy kills... and of course we never fight good players, because we're scared. I'm all for good fights, all whining veterans I would like to ask to bring their best 3-men team and fight us 3v3. Terms can be negotiated. Let's make a good fight instead of ganking and whining Nothing wrong with getting folks incentives to leave the safe zones, but you shouldn't force them out either. If some one doesn't want to leave them than they won't be a good fight any way. The problem comes when certain groups won't even try to go get PvP from other PvPers and only hunts those zones for easy kills. Patrol Zones are intersting concept but they still have way to many ROE issues. I actualy think they should let the PvE/Casuals do there thing and than if they want to come out and PvP they will. You might actually get more of them to do so cause they will do it more on there terms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldEaters Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 1:07 PM, admin said: Patrols Frigate ONLY patrols added to the rotation Is it mentiont somewhere when the patrol is for Frigates only? just spend 2h patroling near La Mona and no fight countet so far (im in a Bucentaure). And also before the patch if i attacked a fleet, i only had to fight the Leadship, today allways the whole fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Ribault Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Wraith said: ...Those players that engage in this behavior claim that this is the only way to find a fight but that's just trash and plenty of fights can be had if they wanted to find them, only it might be more risky than the seal clubbing.... What happened to that button for: +1 x 1000 ? I know it was here somewhere! 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liq Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, WorldEaters said: Is it mentiont somewhere when the patrol is for Frigates only? just spend 2h patroling near La Mona and no fight countet so far (im in a Bucentaure). And also before the patch if i attacked a fleet, i only had to fight the Leadship, today allways the whole fleet. when you click on a battle in the la mona zone, it'll say "frigate patrol battle" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christendom Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) I wish the final exam of this tutorial was turned into a like a daily or weekly quest. Get some money/XP/decent ship/randomized mod or even a paint or 2 out of it. Make them as challenging or if not more. I really enjoyed the fact that I was able to click a button and instantly be put in a ship and go fight something for an hour. I liked listening to people on TS and nation chat give others advice on how to win theirs. I liked that it gave everyone in the community something to do and share ideas about. Stuff like this is what this game needs more of. Patrol zones, marks, ROE fixes, removing ship names.....these are all attempted fixes to patch up a game with gaping holes in it....holes that can only really be filled by more content. The tutorial is content and it seems like everyone drank it up. Edited April 21, 2018 by Christendom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldEaters Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Liq said: when you click on a battle in the la mona zone, it'll say "frigate patrol battle" so i cant find out before i set sail, only when im allready in the zone and want to attack a ship.. since not even on the marker on the map that is mentiont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaos Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 46 minutes ago, Banished Privateer said: I can't understand everyone thinking that anyone who tries to get players out of the safe zone (give more reasons to leave it, more benefits) wants to gank and seal club... That is so naive and narrow-minded thinking. I spend the vast majority outside the safe zones, I do my all trading outside the safe zones, all my missions and PvE (yes, I'm a carebear and trader when no one is watching me). I don't really get any benefits of doing that and I'm putting myself at great risk, much higher than risk-free players inside the safe zones. I don't want safe zones to become an easy gankfest and seal clubbing zone, but I want players that like risk to have opportunity for much higher benefits by doing so. Let's stop with all the stupid "PvP crowd", "gankers", "seal clubbers" way of insulting people and flaming. PvP player starts to sound like an insult slowly... Positives of giving more reasons to leave the safe zones: 1) Opportunities for much higher benefits (that come at risk of course, higher risk = more benefits). 2) Population more equally spread all over the map, instead of concentrated only around capitals and free ports. 3) More PvP opportunities all over the map (that would encourage to stop capital and free ports camping/ganking). 4) More realistic game model. Currently the vast majority of map is filled with empty and useless ports and NPC fleets creating "fake crowd & traffic" effect. These changes require a massive economic overhaul and a lot of thinking. About the already boring "Prussians" stereotype, yea we are all gankers, seal clubbers and we want easy kills... and of course we never fight good players, because we're scared. I'm all for good fights, all whining veterans I would like to ask to bring their best 3-men team and fight us 3v3. Terms can be negotiated. Let's make a good fight instead of ganking and whining Well said, but the problem is that the changes in the recent patches are not making it more attractive to leave the safe zone, they are just making the safe zone more dangerous and making them even bigger PvP hot zones which means more seals will get clubbed. I havent seen any feedback yet on what the new reinforcements are like, but if they are easy to outwit then the green zones will no be safe zones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Corvinus Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I watched so called PvP in action yesterday in the Nassau Patrol zone. 1 Brit player in a 1 on 1 battle. I was going back in a T/Lynx. I saw a Spanish player waiting for a while and then joined. I went into port swapped into a Mercury and came out to jump in on the side of the Brit. By the time I got there, the Brit had done his first fight but was being set upon by a fresh Spanish player whilst he himself needed repairing. It seemed to me that the so called PvP Spanish waited until things were stacked well in his favor. I managed to get there and tried to help the Brit survive, but he was too badly damaged and the Spanish Player managed to sink him. I fought the Spanish player and as he got low on structure he must have called out as another Spanish jumped in with a Heavy rattled and I ended up with 2 on 1. Luckily I managed to sink the first one before I was myself sunk. So even in an area where there is PvP, so called PvP players will only jump in once things are stacked int heir favor and they can guarantee a win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Corvinus Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Archaos said: Well said, but the problem is that the changes in the recent patches are not making it more attractive to leave the safe zone, they are just making the safe zone more dangerous and making them even bigger PvP hot zones which means more seals will get clubbed. I havent seen any feedback yet on what the new reinforcements are like, but if they are easy to outwit then the green zones will no be safe zones. I read in Nation that a player got jumped by an Indefatigable and got a Surprise as a reinforcement ship and it sailed off on it's own.. Another got jumped by a Trinco and also a Surprise came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodgi Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Michael Corvinus said: So even in an area where there is PvP, so called PvP players will only jump in once things are stacked int heir favor and they can guarantee a win. That is the essence of The Great Sandbox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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