Anne Wildcat Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Alan Demarest said: So with this you cannot cap any ships, unless you have the fleet perk? That's what I'm wondering too. Seems that way. Edited February 24, 2017 by Anne Wildcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderhorn Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, Alan Demarest said: So with this you cannot cap any ships, unless you have the fleet perk? Might just keep "vessels sent to port" and vessels "added to fleet" separate, so that people can stay at sea longer. (Mandating people escort vessels back to port seems it will increase dead sailing time.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Yeah, sending ships back with prize crews is very historical. Just make us sacrifice part of our crew to do so. (Maybe 40 men for a large frigate.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderhorn Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, maturin said: Yeah, sending ships back with prize crews is very historical. Just make us sacrifice part of our crew to do so. (Maybe 40 men for a large frigate.) Was thinking of this as well. But we want people to be able to recover crew at sea so they can remain at sea longer. What we could do is reduce max crew by X sailors per Y vessel. Thus, casualties can be recovered, but there is still a meaningful impact as prizes are sent back, sans perk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) What about keep 2 ships max, lvl 1-50 or whatever they have now and add an achievement instead of points for 3rd. Spend time playing and unlock it permanently. Unlock will require a nice amount of Marks or other required items. Not only that, it will add another great milestone for Experienced Players. Having 3 ships in the fleet should be a long Elite career achievement, and not just Max Rank points spent item. Unlocking such perk should grant players a Title + nice sum of cash and Gold Trader Mod along with +1 slot fleet ship perk. so, 3rd ship should not be based on perk points, but should be connected to the achievement system and when completed will exist as permanent unlock on that Character. Simply calcualte player time spent in game to achive lvl 50 rank vs Time to get marks etc + reach lvl 50 and unlock an achivement reward. This is at least x2 time required + players get one of many goals that they have to complete before they can become game 'Veterans' / game Elite. More population = better game environment, more pvp, econ etc..Keeping people playing is crucial. ------------------------ Dear Devs, we need achievements with nice rewards for every rank. You are building a very flat game...Like I said it before research the game called Astronest and see what I am talking about ex. Get crafting lvl 2 - Receive (200 Labor hours + 10000 Gold). Get crafting lvl 3 - Receive (250 Labor hours + 12000 Gold). In my opinion NA won't survive without similar system, adding achievements will keep people playing. Your next step after that should be the reset of Max Rank (Rear Admiral) , Once players reached Max rank they can reset it and move to the next x2 amount of xp needed to progress. Give them a gold Crown. What gold crown will do is to provide psychological contrast between new and elite players. All this will result in new guys will want to become elites one day and sail under gold crown marking them as Veterans or players with a significant amount of time spent in the game. Game market has millions of competitive players who will grind for days in order to unlock awesome items. You get me? P.S. no advertisement here, but simply a very valuable suggestion. -Ned Loe . Edited February 24, 2017 by Ned Loe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Texas Sir Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 4 hours ago, Havelock said: You should need to decide if you take 1, 2 or 3 fleet ships for 1, 3 or 6 points. Dont let them add up. It's currently this as I just tested it since I had two ships in my fleet and was in a port i didn't have an outpost so had to change my perks to get out of port. 3 points for 2 ships and I took frig master (5), Preppered (1) and Double Charge (1) for my 10 points so that isn't bad in my book. I think if you want to run with less perks and get a 3rd ship for say a cargo run than you should be able to. My one ship with all the perks going to out perform yours and if I have team mates we will cut down your AI fast too. This will cause less folks to bring fleets cause it cost them points along with the crew. 3 hours ago, Powderhorn said: So, just a few thoughts: 1. I recommend keeping the 4 points for 1 ship, 7 points for 2 ships. Think that's a good balance. Could do 10 for 3. (Makes them mutually exclusive, but the point values "feel" right) 2. If you take the perks, add the ships to the fleet, then drop the perks, the ships stay in said fleet. Is a problem, but, can be resolved by automatically "unticking" ships in the fleet section. That is way to many points cause than you can't even run cargo hold and other skills if you want to do a big cargo run. I think the current 1, 3, 6 is perfect match up for points. This will allow new player sand RA's to crew there ships and fleets. 3 hours ago, maturin said: Yeah, sending ships back with prize crews is very historical. Just make us sacrifice part of our crew to do so. (Maybe 40 men for a large frigate.) Prize ship can take min crew but make it like the delivery system. You can't send it with any cargo and it takes until next server reset and your limited on how many. Even tie it into the tow mechanics so that way you can only have 5 ships in tow or prize return. I'm excited about the cargo trade in capture and having to bring you prize back with escort. Means most can have one 1 with them to bring a trader back they captured with it's cargo and not have to give up command of there fighting ship to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Texas Sir Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Powderhorn said: Was thinking of this as well. But we want people to be able to recover crew at sea so they can remain at sea longer. What we could do is reduce max crew by X sailors per Y vessel. Thus, casualties can be recovered, but there is still a meaningful impact as prizes are sent back, sans perk. We still have the magical medical kits to do that if need be. Though I think you should never be able to get back crew tied up in your tow of prize until those crew are done with the tow unless you make it part of the tow system than don't cost crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox2run Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Weird thing is that you dont really listen to the community. In my clan players are saying that they left the game when timers got cut for ROE. Please bring them back up. The game is boring now. You make it too nerdy. We need battles. This can not be stated enough. The largest sum of players are not into PBs with TS. They are casuals. But you dont care about them. You make things more and more restricted and tough. All you talk is some very narrow changes but you forgot the broad aim. All you do is to change som smaller stuff like perks or slots. WE NEED SOME FUN! Waiting for things are not fun. This is a game with no idea nor progress. What is your aim? Just asking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Ribault Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I'm a casual player and I enjoy the game when I can play. I don't see it as a problem. Maybe I'm in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyShelby Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, fox2run said: Weird thing is that you dont really listen to the community. In my clan players are saying that they left the game when timers got cut for ROE. Weird thing is that everyone in OCEAN likes the current RoE. (We also liked 2 minute timers, but anything more is horribru) But also everyone i know that plays Naval Action prefer the current Roe or 2 minute timers, they also think anything longer than 2 minutes is horribru. But i mean, we just like OW PvP so what do we know, we've only been around since before OW and have tested all the RoE's we've had ingame. I respect your opinion Fox2Run but your arguments are weak imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koltes Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, TommyShelby said: Weird thing is that everyone in OCEAN likes the current RoE. (We also liked 2 minute timers, but anything more is horribru) But also everyone i know that plays Naval Action prefer the current Roe or 2 minute timers, they also think anything longer than 2 minutes is horribru. But i mean, we just like OW PvP so what do we know, we've only been around since before OW and have tested all the RoE's we've had ingame. I respect your opinion Fox2Run but your arguments are weak imo. Well its not entirely correct @TommyShelby His point is that his clan lost members because of "protective" ROE mechanics. Its a fact that we need to deal with and take into account. Especially if they lost majority of their clan because of that. Truth is that most players that stayed like new ROE restrictive timers being carebears in majority, while some minority hardcore PVPers dislike but still playing. But its also true that we have lost about 80% of the game population and all those restrictions have driven away a lot of hardcore PVPers. I know this for a fact that my clan being strongest in hardcore PVPers numbers on the server have lost 90% of players because of carebear mechanics. I understand @fox2run frustration, because Battle Instances closing instantly is a complete bullshit and blasphemy to PVP game. Edited February 25, 2017 by koltes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chustler Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Battle timers have to close quickly so that people can assess the level of threat around them accurately before initiating battle. When the timers were longer people were getting ganked like crazy by people they could never have known were there. It was mayhem and it was shortened for very good reason. I can't believe it's still being debated to be honest. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernon Merrill Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Basically people who have joined since.... the same as people who don't remember the tank fleets waiting inside freeports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiclipucli Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Hi guys ! I not try for tesbed sever YET. Today i want join in this test server but i dont found. only the 3 regular : PvP One EU, PvE One , PvP Two USA . Where can i found, and join to the testbed server ? THX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, hiclipucli said: Hi guys ! I not try for tesbed sever YET. Today i want join in this test server but i dont found. only the 3 regular : PvP One EU, PvE One , PvP Two USA . Where can i found, and join to the testbed server ? THX. See there : Edited February 25, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr RideZ Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 I think you could update the main early access test server as frequently as you do with the testbed. Any ETA for the next patch? (For the main early access test server) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox2run Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Chustler said: Battle timers have to close quickly so that people can assess the level of threat around them accurately before initiating battle. When the timers were longer people were getting ganked like crazy by people they could never have known were there. It was mayhem and it was shortened for very good reason. I can't believe it's still being debated to be honest. This could be the case IF the game in other ways tried to ensure some pvp in easy ways. I'm not talking Vernon Merril hunting a trader that can't be reinforced but real battles. Action. Fun. It's not the case. Instead they are tumbling around with patches that means little or nothing to gameplay. My personal experience is that this game lost much if it's fun once you couldn't enter battles anymore. We had cheap, expendable ships that sometimes where lost. But at least we saw plenty of action and pvp. Now we have expensive gold ships and too much caution. It's dull. PBs are only for the small amount of players, the elite, while the rest can go sail their own waters. Please tell me how I can get into a large battle within reasonable time with my 1st rate that I finally can manufacture after a year of gameplay? Please tell me how to reinforce my friends in battles? It's things like this that pisses customers off. And the only answer is that I play the wrong game or that we have too many SOLs or that we need one dura ships or that this isn't a MOBA. You are on a very wrong path that will lead to an empty OW and a dead game soon. Man. We are already talking NA2. With good reason. Edited February 25, 2017 by fox2run 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderhorn Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 This is not the place for this discussion. There are multiple threads about these concerns. Please focus this thread on what actually is in the test bed server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elite92 Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Intrepido said: No resources and materials are being produced at ports. I assume it is a bug. Another bug, it is not possible to set a PB cause it is limited to 2/24/2017 between 09:00 and 19:00. A proposal for perks and fleets: Make that having one warship as fleet cost you 3 points, second warship 7 points. Instead, having one trader as fleet cost you 1 points, second trader, 2 points. _Testing battle rewards: Pavel vs Pavel. 186xp mission. 22500 gold, 450xp + 5000 gold,186xp. = 27500 gold and 636xp. Repair ship (on port): 4000 gold. Profit: 23500 gold. Conclusions: With these rewards the overall grinding will reach intolerable levels. The rewards in gold should be 3x. Marks: 16 marks of courage. Much better now than before (I was getting only 6). crew cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 @sterner Why did you rename the Captains Chest slots? Now its Mark/Mark/Mark/Trading which is very irritating. PvE/PvP/Conquest/Trading was just fine. @Intrepido I think the rewards for PvE are fine, you should try a 186 fleet mission instead. Im usually getting like 4 Kills and 2 Assists of 2nd/3rd/4th Rates, this will generate enough money to make profit. Imo the rewards for PvP should be higher, the risk of losing a ship is waaaaaay higher here. About the Marks: AI 1sts seem to give 20, 2nds 16. That would mean 20 AI 1st Kills or about 40 4th/5th Rates for a Pirate Frigate BP (even tho im not sure if that should actually be a Pirate Frigate Note). Im not sure if it should be possible to craft 1 PvP Mark for 10 PvE Marks. Maybe there should just be a shop for every kind of Mark? They are still tradeble and could become somewhat of their own currency. Might be interesting, im not sure tho... what do you guys think? About the fleet perks: I dont really like how i have to spend 1 point to take a captured vessels with me. Theres a lot of boarding going on in PvP and its a shame i have to sink a ship when im missing a perk... on the other hand those 1 duras arent worth it anyway. I still think tho that theres way too much sinking going on, historically it was boarding/surrendering in most cases. Maybe the structure damage model opens up a possibility to cripple a ship so much that it just auto-surrender (morale of the crew is broken)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Texas Sir Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Havelock said: About the fleet perks: I dont really like how i have to spend 1 point to take a captured vessels with me. Theres a lot of boarding going on in PvP and its a shame i have to sink a ship when im missing a perk... on the other hand those 1 duras arent worth it anyway. I still think tho that theres way too much sinking going on, historically it was boarding/surrendering in most cases. Maybe the structure damage model opens up a possibility to cripple a ship so much that it just auto-surrender (morale of the crew is broken)? You can have your dedicated boarders take the perk to collect the ships if you want to keep them. Though they should have a means to sale the ships if you don't keep them. Though what we seen is some folks will come behind you and collect all the kills and this will stop that since they can't collect other ships. We leave ours unlock in fights in case you need to bail out and get into a new ship. Just got to call it out and the guy that capped it unlocks it and you can put crew on it. Pretty much means you have to pick and choose who you want to keep. This will cut back on some of the large numbers of rage boarders in fights too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterner Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Intrepido said: I dont know how to say it, Im disheartened, and I only beg our devs to change it. This is not good, not good at all for the new players, for those without millions in their budget. Please read release notes, where you can find: 1. Testbed is not public version and a cut from developers version. 2. Economics is under balance. We introduce a change where isn't reward for damage and crew kills. Thank you for testing and numbers. We are going to change numbers on next week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Yeah, there needs to be a way to just sell a ship to Admirality if you dont have slots in your fleet. Since you need x3 the ressources for a 1st rate now, the gold value when selling a full dura 1st rate needs to be tripled too. Its unchanged (130k) even tho it should be 390k (so a captured AI would get back to 1 dura = 130k). Imo these prices are too low. Fyi the prices when selling a full dura ship to the AI shop vs crafting it is as follows (Took these numbers out of my clans crafting spreadsheet. It calculates the overall costs including gold and labour hours for mining): Snow (5 dura): AI shop: 28 000 g crafting: 96 000 g 29% Surprise (5 dura): AI shop: 30 000 g crafting: 144 00 g 21% Constitution (4 dura): AI shop: 76 000 g crafting: 318 000 g 24% St. Pavel (4 dura): (just doubled the old 2 dura value) AI shop: 136 000 g (should be 272k) crafting: 790 000 g 17% (should be 34%) Victory (3 dura): (just tripled the old 1 dura value) AI shop: 130 000 g (should be 390k) crafting: 1 490 000 g 9% (should be 27%) (All gold with Build Strength, Compass Wood as a special component valued 875g according to its droprate) What we see here is that eg you need to cap 25 Surprises to have enough money to craft a 5 dura Surprise yourself, or cap 24 Pavels to craft a Pavel, or cap 33 Victorys to craft a Victory. And keep in mind that the devs intention is to make ship maintenance the main factor of economy and not the ship crafting itself. Sinking a ship grants even less money, im guessing about 50-67%. So the only way atm to do PvP (if youre a new player not sitting on 50 million) is to do about 25 single AI missions to participate in 10 PvP battles (assuming you sink in 50% of them, which is a good guess imo for new captains). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderhorn Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Kinda thinking structure's impact on masts might be too pronounced. Maybe by the time a person is at 50% structure, a mast might fall, but not 100% of the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captiva Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Intrepido said: Test of the PVE events: -Dismast: I only was able to destroy one mast before I sank (using carronades). I tested with longs and no mast went down. As you need to destroy all masts this challenge is extremely hard. -Pve kills: I sank one enemy frigate suffering great damage. You will need a lot of skill, luck and patience to kill the second frigate. You were more successful than I've been. I have been successful in dismasting when doing missions on the new testbed, but not successful when doing the PVE dismasting challenge. I will keep trying. The PVE kills event is, indeed, a real challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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