Political Situation (PvP 1 EU)

[Potemkin]

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Edited July 28, 2016 by Potemkin

[BlasDeLezo]

That happened how often? 1 time, 2 times? Swedes are friends of brits, but no official allies.

 

And if I remember correctly, most of the time in the Antilles war 15-20 spanish ships were screening for the french without war declaration towards dutch and/or swedes.

 

 

PS: Sometimes it helps if a nation has diplomats who collect some information and invest time in bilateral relations.

Some remarks on the subject.

 1- I think the Spanish nation is treated him several times as a nation of ignorant and weak. For this reason they have not reached agreements with other countries that presented their proposals abusive conditions. And if he came with nations who treated the Spanish faction as equals.

2- I do not think there were to be an obligation of declaration of war in the forum, (for that? If there has been declariones war of any faction to another, after having attacked their ports in advance) as if there was in talks by ts. (All parties came out of the talks taking clear decisions of other nations).

2nd Specifically in the case with the Dutch faction, if you look at the post 1 POLITICAL ...

https://gyazo.com/1a62c1d17845aaa263f7613f892e23f6

I think we've been at war since the beginning, and make a statement in July I think even funny, to say sorry.

3- NEVER the Spanish nation to breach the word, for better or worse, may be the right decisions or wrong, being beneficial or detrimental to their interests (not go into that topic), but never broke his word, even when some broken treaty was communicating it (by way ts) to the faction involved with days before the start of hostilities.

4-I do not want to tell you how to do your duty, but if you think this as my partner. A diplomat must always be serene and never fall into hostile attitudes or words, even if all the reason or even if you cause. A diplomat must demonstrate conciliatory attitude (For bravado and absurd opinions and are current players of all factions), You you should demonstrate an elegance that so many times are not the forum.

5- I do not want to enter into polemics so I end up here, will not respond to other posts and will respect your right to correct me.

Greetings to all captains.

 And be assured WE WILL SEE IN BATTLE

[praefect]

1. We had an absolute neutral opinion of the spanish nation and tried to have some proper contacts with you by listening to your needs and finding mutual solutions for all that issues with your neighbors. That failed greatly and led to disrespectful actions and comments from the spanish side, also against the dutch. Something we as dutch have strong problems with.

 

2. Attacking PB-Fleets is part of RvR and should be based on proper war declaration. If you considered to be at war with us anyway, why your diplo stated the spanish nation would be neutral to us and why you guys flamed against the dutch for their flag against spain?

 

3. Maybe, maybe not, I don´t know, spain is far away from us and we don´t have contacts with each other.

 

4. A player, as every diplo is,"must" nothing than to have fun out of this game. We don´t have fun from flame wars or disrespectful behavior from other nations. In that case you can demand as much respect as you want but wont get it as long you are not willing to give that too. If both sides can´t agree on mutual respect there simply wont be any further diplo contacts with each other, cos it would be wasted time and efforts, what we already had in the past once and do not want to experience again. Our contacts with your neighbors work much better so far.

Also pls don´t forget that people are different. One might be elegant with his words, someone else might be more straight and honest. We have different communicators in our diplo corps and foreign diplos can choose freely with who they want to talk with. But in all cases we demand a minimum of respect and efforts from our discussion partners. I hope you can understand that.

 

Fair winds captain!

 

PS: "WE WILL SEE IN BATTLE"

We still hope for that.

Edited July 28, 2016 by praefect

[BlasDeLezo]

1. We had an absolute neutral opinion of the spanish nation and tried to have some proper contacts with you by listening to your needs and finding mutual solutions for all that issues with your neighbors. That failed greatly and led to disrespectful actions and comments from the spanish side, also against the dutch. Something we as dutch have strong problems with.

 

2. Attacking PB-Fleets is part of RvR and should be based on proper war declaration. If you considered to be at war with us anyway, why your diplo stated the spanish nation would be neutral to us and why you guys flamed against the dutch for their flag against spain?

 

3. Maybe, maybe not, I don´t know, spain is far away from us and we don´t have contacts with each other.

 

4. A player, as every diplo is,"must" nothing than to have fun out of this game. We don´t have fun from flame wars or disrespectful behavior from other nations. In that case you can demand as much respect as you want but wont get it as long you are not willing to give that too. If both sides can´t agree on mutual respect there simply wont be any further diplo contacts with each other, cos it would be wasted time and efforts, what we already had in the past once and do not want to experience again. Our contacts with your neighbors work much better so far.

Also pls don´t forget that people are different. One might be elegant with his words, someone else might be more straight and honest. We have different communicators in our diplo corps and foreign diplos can choose freely with who they want to talk with. But in all cases we demand a minimum of respect and efforts from our discussion partners. I hope you can understand that.

 

Fair winds captain!

 

PS: "WE WILL SEE IN BATTLE"

We still hope for that.

good wings captain.

[Kpt Lautenschlaeger]

Captain Barmluijken,

 

With the Three Admirals Treaty... let's say: looking more likely to be ratified by all parties now  ... I suggest we include a link to that thread's first page on your overview post.

 

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/15548-the-three-admirals-treaty-pvp1/page-1

[EL LOCO]

May I remind you that when there is a port reset,  We (SPAIN) will have no allies but enemies as the only way to secure our port.  .  Spain will control most of the map for that first 12 hours.  

I would think that in all best interest , would be to wage all out war on England by all nations.   Convincing USA will be easy but convincing the orange cloggers will be tougher.  

 

 

Time to spin some Dutch windmills.

[Tac]

Thank you for your well intended and gentlemanly post, if I may sir just ask what your trying to convince the colour of shoe wear of?

[Chijohnaok]

May I remind you that when there is a port reset,  We (SPAIN) will have no allies but enemies as the only way to secure our port.  .  Spain will control most of the map for that first 12 hours.  

I would think that in all best interest , would be to wage all out war on England by all nations.   Convincing USA will be easy but convincing the orange cloggers will be tougher.  

 

 

Time to spin some Dutch windmills.

You think that convincing the US to go to war with England (GB) will be easy?

Spain allied with the Pirates against the US. Many US players remember this.

And since the politics mechanic was introduced the US has pretty consistently voted to be at war with Spain.

I think the chances of the US voting for war with GB (a serious war, not one intended to merely trade ports) in the near future are "slim" and "none".

[Kloothommel]

You think that convincing the US to go to war with England (GB) will be easy?

Spain allied with the Pirates against the US. Many US players remember this.

And since the politics mechanic was introduced the US has pretty consistently voted to be at war with Spain.

I think the chances of the US voting for war with GB (a serious war, not one intended to merely trade ports) in the near future are "slim" and "none".

 

The danes allied with the Swedish. Nobody foresaw that happening not too long ago. Never say never.

[Tenakha Kan]

We used to be allied with the brits and got wiped by the Danes :°

[Nash]

The danes allied with the Swedish. Nobody foresaw that happening not too long ago. Never say never.

 

I have foreseen the future and you're not in it.

 

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/9487-pvp1-territorial-changes-updated-monthly/page-4#entry293733

Edited September 9, 2016 by Nash

[CrazyBaer]

I think maximum fun would be all nations allied against the one non nation scourge 'til their down to one port. Then well start from a with more historically correct pirate faction. ;-P

 

Then we go one about the business of warfare between nation states, but as soon as the rats get a port boom cease fire 'til it's back in the hands of a legitimate government.

 

... oh and Mortimer Town area is an FFA gank zone where only rats are ganked.

[_Masterviolin]

SORRY's numerous victories against my fellow Brits and the "blockade" of Jamaica presents a fairly significant lesson for the British Nation as a whole...

 

For those who have seen the numerous screenshots by the lively Lord Vicious, one thing is fairly consistent- all of the British are different clans or not aligned. 

I also have noticed that the fleet as a whole is disorganized or inconsistent.

 

SORRY's fleets are organized in said battles. They're all the same clan, they're probably all in the same chat with a line of leadership established. They also have a line of tactics and doctrine established. In contrast, the British fleets are more mixed up in ship combination and have many different clans and independents involved. Also, though I have not been part of any of these engagements, I'm going to assume based upon what we've seen thus far, that there isn't as clear as a line of leadership. Tactical knowledge and discipline appears lacking.

 

I think once British clans can organize a counter-resistance, things will change. 

 

Also, perhaps attacks on pirate home waters could draw away the pirates. It's worth noting that the pirates did lose their foothold on Port Anty. Whether or not they can say it was a honorable retreat, tactical withdrawal or something else, the port was recaptured.

[Lord Vicious]

SORRY's numerous victories against my fellow Brits and the "blockade" of Jamaica presents a fairly significant lesson for the British Nation as a whole...

 

For those who have seen the numerous screenshots by the lively Lord Vicious, one thing is fairly consistent- all of the British are different clans or not aligned. 

I also have noticed that the fleet as a whole is disorganized or inconsistent.

 

SORRY's fleets are organized in said battles. They're all the same clan, they're probably all in the same chat with a line of leadership established. They also have a line of tactics and doctrine established. In contrast, the British fleets are more mixed up in ship combination and have many different clans and independents involved. Also, though I have not been part of any of these engagements, I'm going to assume based upon what we've seen thus far, that there isn't as clear as a line of leadership. Tactical knowledge and discipline appears lacking.

 

I think once British clans can organize a counter-resistance, things will change. 

 

Also, perhaps attacks on pirate home waters could draw away the pirates. It's worth noting that the pirates did lose their foothold on Port Anty. Whether or not they can say it was a honorable retreat, tactical withdrawal or something else, the port was recaptured.

 

 

oh you refer to this?

 

 

but there is more lovely examples like :

 when 15 SORRY bellonas trapped a fleet of 25 vic/ocean of brits into a bay? so they could not plant gerge town

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/13703-sorry-stars-and-skulls-pvp-1-eu-pirates/page-26

 

[Jonathan Arlington]

To be fair we weren't trapped in the bay we sailed there for several reason's (Even the flag was down for that moment so whatever). First to get you tired of waiting there after you bored us to run in distance all time in stead of fighting, second to have a try for you following us for the last stand alone (well not alone more stand fleet I guess).

You didn't and we didn't do you the favour to let us been shooted from distance for nothing. That's tactic, nothing less.

 

Listen you made a point with the disorganisation and we know that point. We've a lot of pubbies which have to learn (what they do actually right now) and lots of people rejoining after monts of break. Nothing special. Unconfortable at the moment but at all just something every playerbase had, has or will have -  but okay, you have a point.

But the picture with the "trapped british navy" is just propaganda nothing more. And that's the problem. Everytime I think you are right with something you destroy this moment immediately with something completely stupporn, one dimensional and just untrue crap.

 

About the point that the french needed SORRY to get the flag which was used for a french port because they decided not to come up for a fight and preferded to gank our pubbies in front of Kingston instead with a full player number... well that's another story...

[Lord Vicious]

To be fair we weren't trapped in the bay we sailed there for several reason's (Even the flag was down for that moment so whatever). First to get you tired of waiting there after you bored us to run in distance all time in stead of fighting, second to have a try for you following us for the last stand alone (well not alone more stand fleet I guess).

You didn't and we didn't do you the favour to let us been shooted from distance for nothing. That's tactic, nothing less.

 

Listen you made a point with the disorganisation and we know that point. We've a lot of pubbies which have to learn (what they do actually right now) and lots of people rejoining after monts of break. Nothing special. Unconfortable at the moment but at all just something every playerbase had, has or will have -  but okay, you have a point.

But the picture with the "trapped british navy" is just propaganda nothing more. And that's the problem. Everytime I think you are right with something you destroy this moment immediately with something completely stupporn, one dimensional and just untrue crap.

 

About the point that the french needed SORRY to get the flag which was used for a french port because they decided not to come up for a fight and preferded to gank our pubbies in front of Kingston instead with a full player number... well that's another story...

 

You now we are for hire, you can hire us

[Llewellyn Jones RN]

We don't hire pirates!

[Leku]

At least france fought their fights by themselves ... o7

[Llewellyn Jones RN]

I heard the Danes were late arriving!

[Leku]

4 hours ago, rediii said:

Remember Cumana?

Dont brag about wins, defending is much easier than attacking at the moment

What is there to remember?
Bugged entrance?
Fact that spanish port battle had 1 spain player?

What else?

Actually 1st rate battles should last longer. It`s almost impossible to win during actual time for battle as attacker. Only if defenders really f.... up and make attackers win.

[Pablo Frias]

44 minutes ago, Leku said:

What is there to remember?
Bugged entrance?
Fact that spanish port battle had 1 spain player?

What else?

Actually 1st rate battles should last longer. It`s almost impossible to win during actual time for battle as attacker. Only if defenders really f.... up and make attackers win.

I´m so sorry for sinking your ships. This spanish player is the devil !!!!!

Edited November 16, 2016 by Pablo Frias

[Leku]

37 minutes ago, Pablo Frias said:

I´m so sorry for sinking your ships. This spanish player is the devil !!!!!

Dude it`s not about wining or loosing.

It`s about fact that certain group of players abuse stupid mechanic that will lead to create "elite" group of port battle players for both sides, which with current war supply bomb and login off mechanics leads to killing playerbase.

And with lower playerbase what you think this game will do?
But guys. Keep playing for wining at all cost! Abuse it! Break the game!

[Jorge]

8 minutes ago, Leku said:

Dude it`s not about wining or loosing.

It`s about fact that certain group of players abuse stupid mechanic that will lead to create "elite" group of port battle players for both sides, which with current war supply bomb and login off mechanics leads to killing playerbase.

And with lower playerbase what you think this game will do?
But guys. Keep playing for wining at all cost! Abuse it! Break the game!

I agree with you, but as long as the mechanics of the game are like this, we'll still be the same

[Wesreidau]

No, we should talk about breaking the game. Whenever things are broken in the game, we need to unify and demand fixes, not make excuses and pretend we're morally superior.

[Leku]

14 hours ago, Intrepido said:

Dont talk about breaking the game when your dear allies (US+Brits) have opened 2 port battles at the same time using war supplyes.

Also, about winning at all cost, I remember very well when the PB of Calobelo and Cartagena (thanks to VP and GB) were opened at nearly same hour to avoid the spanish to defend one of them. 

And logging off, all nations have done this. 

Whats wrong with tactically seting port battles in similar times? Spain have problems? Dude then dont defend all. You have way too much ports then you can chew actually, and only new pb mechanics and alliance allowing in pb saved you. Which actually is broken like hell considering how hard it is to rise hostility and how many port battles happen during week ...

When sweden takes spain territories undefended and we cant do anything about it, it`s ok right?
When you take live oak port and try to break game ( well not you but your allies duches danes ) instead of testing mechanics and having fun, everything is ok right?

When GB/VP/US write it`s not ok to hostility bomb, log out outside pb etc what happens? Danes still do it. We wrote that if they dont stop it`ll become meta. Soon there will be 25-30 players on both sides that`ll become elite pb players. But let danes fight every port battle because "they are bored" "want to fight" "they want pb" "its game mechanics" etc.

Instead of breaking circle of adoration and start fighting between yourselves you still insist on attacking "west" coalition and you focus on weaker ones! Same happened before port reset. Your side was blaming brits for cheating, exploiting and best part - humilating with 3 admirals treaty ( thats the most dumbest reason to fight i ever heard ) and what you did? Attacked dutch with 4 v 1 mostly, made dutch 2 port nation, crushed our playerbase ( the carebears ), used cheap tactics to gain adventage ( flag trading, multiple fake flags on two fronts at once ), and done exactly what you blame brits for and what actually never happend.

And what is best? You said it was done by mistake! And that you didnt want to do it! Yet you did!

You guys are the best. Such hipocrisy.

And still keep hiding behind false arguments like dutch being 2nd biggest nation ( false ) and that our side have more numbers ( false and total bs ).

When we`r tired of kindly asking your side to stop abusing and exploiting stuff and start using our whole playerbase ( not only eu ) you dare to tell us we break game?

How insolent!