Le Requin Testing and Feedback

[Cecil Selous]

Granted that I didn't come into much contact with requins up to now but what I noticed are the incredible high acceleration and deceleration rates. Maybe a value to play around with. Also 7 knots sternway? 

[Hethwill]

2 minutes ago, Cecil Selous said:

incredible high acceleration and deceleration rates

Herc and Snow are the same. Actually was the first thing i reported odd when Herc was introduced with the tutorial.

[Liq]

IMHO, two little tweaks would make the general game experience with the current DLC spam more bearable.

• Dont allow DLC ships in PBs
• Extend redeem cooldown to approx 72 or 96 hours

Longer cooldown with dlcs not being allowed in PB wont lead to pbs only being winnable with dlcs. 

Carribbean is too crowded with them at the moment. Diversity is in danger. :0)

[Hethwill]

2 minutes ago, Liq said:

Diversity is in danger. :0)

Agreed. Too many Bellonas.  

 

2 minutes ago, Liq said:

Extend redeem cooldown to approx 72 or 96 hours

Can stand behind this, no problem.

Also what i suggested before

- no redeem if already have 1 - same as yacht

- can't add dlc ship to fleet - same as yacht

It should really be the same.

[Malachi]

On 8/20/2018 at 2:21 PM, Banished Privateer said:

I don't understand why downwind Xebec doesn't mix the sail placement with left-right-left position for example, because the heel makes the ship performance and feeling terrible. I believe that 1 sail shifted on other side downwind would counter some of the heel and propulsion power should be very similar downwind

Awesome lateen sails look awesome.

 

And it´s easy to see why each sail should have a good tack and a bad tack.

 

Edited April 5, 2019 by Malachi

[Lovec1990]

1 hour ago, NethrosDefectus said:

Where did he say that?

Admin mentioned days after DLC ships released after outcry that other 6th rates will be made competitive again so if they are buffed diffrence between 5th and 6th rate will be smaller and reason for owning 5th rate will go down 4th rates and SOLs are safe atm, but 5th rates will lose the point of owning them beyond apperance

[z4ys]

all distadvantges the xebec shows in rl are not ingame due to the fact people dont want a "sim" game.

• no 100% real sailing physics
• xebec would carry way less provisions reducing time at sea
• untrained gunnery crews
• less redundant rope and blocks making it easier to cause rigging dmg and to disable

But hey we all want to play eco less and arcadish and to sail upwind with our beloved squareriggers

Edited August 20, 2018 by z4ys

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Lovec1990 said:

Admin mentioned days after DLC ships released after outcry that other 6th rates will be made competitive again so if they are buffed diffrence between 5th and 6th rate will be smaller and reason for owning 5th rate will go down 4th rates and SOLs are safe atm, but 5th rates will lose the point of owning them beyond apperance

Admin ALREADY buffed 6th rates a couple days ago... You didn't notice? 

[Guest]

Just now, z4ys said:

all distadvantges the xebec shows in rl are not ingame due to the fact people dont want a "sim" game.

• no 100% real sailing physics
• xebec would carry way less provisions reducing time at sea
• untrained gunnery crews
• less redundant rope and bocks making it easier to cause rigging dmg and to disable

But hey we all want to play eco less and arcadish and to sail upwind with our beloved squareriggers

A very small hold would work to limit the ship in game. Hold size has a direct affect on ship speed, so a requin captain would have to decide if they want speed or extra repairs. (This would only work of Elite Pirate was nerfed, obviously) 

 

[Lovec1990]

1 minute ago, EliteDelta said:

Admin ALREADY buffed 6th rates a couple days ago... You didn't notice? 

no i kinda sail in deep waters there you rarely encounter other 6th rates except requin

[Dibbler (Retired)]

1 hour ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

- Ban Hercules from shallow waters.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Why they are both shallow vessels?

 If banning herc from shallows should not be same also for Req?

 

Actually banning both from shallows would solve a lot.

Edited August 20, 2018 by Dibbler

[Hethwill]

Stick to the ships architect plans for all ships, please. If they slow they slow, if they thick they thick. If they shallow, they shallow. 

 

[Malachi]

Uhm, never seen a blueprint for the Herc. Where can I find it?

 

[Busterbloodvessel]

Just now, Malachi said:

Uhm, never seen a blueprint for the Herc. Where can I find it?

 

Under the pink one.

Buster (useless lie, strike it)

[Hethwill]

3 minutes ago, Malachi said:

Uhm, never seen a blueprint for the Herc. Where can I find it?

 

Best leads I found was the ISBNs referenced here, and a glimpse of the plans(?). But guess mails here and mails there might 100% help you trace her.

http://www.histarmar.com.ar/Armada Argentina/FragataHercules.htm

[Malachi]

merci beaucoup, msr hethwill.

 

But sometimes ignorance is a bliss

[Hethwill]

Just now, Malachi said:

But sometimes ignorance is a bliss

I'd say innocence is  

[z4ys]

9 minutes ago, Malachi said:

Uhm, never seen a blueprint for the Herc. Where can I find it?

 

 

[Malachi]

Yup. Sounds better, too ^^

@z4ys

Thanks for the link. I think Alex nailed it in this thread, copy of a Chapelle plan, the rest is pure fantasy.

Edited August 20, 2018 by Malachi

[Fluffy Fishy]

5 hours ago, z4ys said:

From a polacre-rigged xebec it was an easy transition to a full polacre. A point occurs where polacre xebecs become 'polacre-settees,' which were lateen rigged on the fore and mizzen (i.e. xebec with a polacre rig). By the late 18th century polacre-xebecs were soon fully ship-rigged and became true polacres, although some people merely call them xebec-frigates. However it is easy to see how the polacre could have developed from the xebec, considering the similar lines and features. The polacre has virtually the same hull shape as a xebec with all the standard features. The only difference was that the polacre was slightly larger than a xebec, so it is probable that the polacre was derived from larger xebecs, which were probaly rigged 'a la polacca' to supplement thier size.

Source: http://www.oocities.org/xebecinc/info2.html

That website is pretty innacurate, the "polacca" used is a polacca rigged xebec, they are two quite different ships and to say they are similar is frankly wrong. The polacca is a round ship which is often misdescribed as meaning "polish", the word actually comes from the Greek words "Πολυ" and "Αχρα", where as the xebec is a longship, coming from Arabic origins. The ancestry of the ships are fairly different too, Xebecs are adaptions of galleys where as polacca have a much deeper comparative draught and much more closely resemble cutters and brigs. While they do carry some similar features, such as beak and bowshape their hydraulic lines are quite different, they handle quite differently too, the polacca being more built for mercantile activities where as the xebec is far more suited as a light warship. Polaccas are also on average quite significantly smaller ships, although can often draw the same tonnage as xebecs, thanks to the much sleeker profile of the xebec, don't let this mislead you, the xebec also has much larger variants of over 30 guns, sometimes over 40, unheard of for a Pollaca, which often carried a much lighter armament of around 8-20 guns, both typically carrying light guns.

Here are some pictures of the different types of ships respectively, as you will see from their actual lines that they are different ships, even if they can occasionally have quite similar profiles above the water. albeit in slightly low quality.

 

Polacca

Xebec

 

PS: if anyone is curious about the models they are both Amati, their Polacca and their Sciabecco, both are nice little kits.

 

Edited August 20, 2018 by Fluffy Fishy

[z4ys]

3 minutes ago, Fluffy Fishy said:

That website is pretty innacurate, the "pollaca" used is a polacca rigged xebec, they are two quite different ships and to say they are similar is frankly wrong. The polacca is a round ship which is often misdescribed as meaning "polish", the word actually comes from the Greek words "Πολυ" and "Αχρα", where as the xebec is a longship, coming from Arabic origins. The ancestry of the ships are fairly different too, Xebecs are adaptions of galleys where as polacca have a much deeper comparative draught and much more closely resemble cutters and brigs. While they do carry some similar features, such as beak and bowshape their hydraulic lines are quite different, they handle quite differently too, the polacca being more built for mercantile activities where as the xebec is far more suited as a light warship. Polaccas are also on average quite significantly smaller ships, although can often draw the same tonnage as xebecs, thanks to the much sleeker profile of the xebec, don't let this mislead you, the xebec also has much larger variants of over 30 guns, sometimes over 40, unheard of for a Pollaca, which often carried a much lighter armament of around 8-20 guns, both typically carrying light guns.

Here are some pictures of the different types of ships respectively, as you will see from their actual lines that they are different ships, even if they can occasionally have quite similar profiles above the water. albeit in slightly low quality.

 

 

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Polacca

Xebec

 

 

 

Xebec

Later in the 17th century some
began to appear with a combination of lateen and more conventional
square sails, of the kind used in northern Europe. This was achieved by
hauling down the spar used for a lateen sail and hoisting up a new spar
suitable for a square-rigged sail. More commonly, however, the lateen
sails were left where they were, and square topsails were hoisted on
smaller square-rig spars. This combination meant that, in the right hands,
these craft could sail closer to the wind than most square-rigged European
merchant ships, but could also take advantage of wind conditions that
favoured square sails. By the very end of our period, in the late 17th
century, the lateen sail on the mainmast was sometimes replaced by two
or three square-rigged spars, carrying a square mainsail or course, a
topsail and a topgallant. This development was, of course, due to the
influence of the European renegades. However, for most of our period,
and in most cases, a Barbary xebec would simply carry three
lateen-rigged sails.

 

The polacca
The polacca might appear, to a landsman, to be virtually identical to the
xebec. Both had three masts and generally similar-shaped hulls, but the
polacca, though rigged with a combination of lateen and square sails,
lacked the xebec’s versatility. It carried lateen sails on the mizzen mast and
foremast, but in most cases the mainmast was designed to carry nothing but
three square sails – a course, a topsail and a topgallant. Some also carried
square topgallants above the lateen sails on the foremast and mizzen mast,
but unlike the case with the xebec these were permanently rigged; the
distinction is that a polacca did not carry a combination of lateen and
square sails for selective use depending on wind conditions.
The other major difference was that polaccas were generally broader
beamed at the waterline than xebecs, since they were designed primarily to

 

Source: The Barbary Pirates 15th-17th Centuries by Angus Konstam

 

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From a polacre-rigged xebec it was an easy transition to a full polacre. A point occurs where polacre xebecs become 'polacre-settees,' which were lateen rigged on the fore and mizzen (i.e. xebec with a polacre rig). By the late 18th century polacre-xebecs were soon fully ship-rigged and became true polacres, although some people merely call them xebec-frigates. However it is easy to see how the polacre could have developed from the xebec, considering the similar lines and features. The polacre has virtually the same hull shape as a xebec with all the standard features. The only difference was that the polacre was slightly larger than a xebec, so it is probable that the polacre was derived from larger xebecs, which were probaly rigged 'a la polacca' to supplement thier size.

The only misleading part is

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The polacre has virtually the same hull shape as a xebec with all the standard features

 

[Guest]

Well it’s clear then…

Following the thread…

Everybody is waiting for the developers next move, will they or won’t they nerf Le Requin.

If they don’t nerf then everybody who’s disadvantage by this ship will most likely leave the game and everybody who’s at an advantage won’t have anybody to play with.

The next update is going to be fascinating!

[Hethwill]

HMS Moriarty.

 

[Aster]

8 hours ago, Sir Hethwill the RedDuke said:

Metas. As Z posted, 80% of previous PBs were rattles.

#antimetaleague

Heavy rat meta at least saw some princes in the mix and you could very easily get them through in game means. Now we have a pay to win meta. There is no shallow fleet that can beat a all xebec fleet because the ship is broken in RVR.

Edited August 20, 2018 by Aster

[z4ys]

Just now, Aster said:

Heavy rat meta at least saw some princes in the mix and you could very easily get them through in game means. Now we have a pay to win meta.

how can it be p2w if one half of le requin owners lose?