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1 hour ago, dron44I said:

И кобылка была моложе и телега еще ехала... 

Если вы не заметили, то за это время политка немного изменилась. От активного участия перешли к наблюдению. Модерация чатов стала слабее и предупреждение  выдают только по праздникам. Про баны вообще молчу. Банить перед релизом - бред , особенно такую пачку игроков. В 2017 обнуление могло прилететь любому. Сейчас никому не прилетит. Ждём 3000 онлайна и пачку новых банов :D

с такой политикой боюсь не будет 3000 онлайна никогда,ибо оценки у игры от этого лучше явно не станут,репутация тоже.во всех играх есть косяки это норма,но кумовство,своячество ммм... такое нигде и никто не терпит. ))и не стоит говорить что это не двойные стандарты а просто все поменялось,ничего не поменялось когда я просто указал на один эксплойт мне прилетела угроза мгновенно это было всего месяц может даже меньше назад)я всего лишь сказал что есть такие то дыры и что помешает их использовать,со мной тут же начали говорить так будто я читак какой то )))при этом некоторым позволенно на стримах лупить договорные бои в которых они выпускают из боя врага,юзать стороннее ПО (в два окна ж через сэндбокс гамают и ему подобные) и так далее.уверен на 99% что если так сделаю я,мне перманент прилетит мгновенно)
З.Ы. насчет телеги с кобылой согласен ))

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6 minutes ago, soulfuor said:

с такой политикой боюсь не будет 3000 онлайна никогда,ибо оценки у игры от этого лучше явно не станут,репутация тоже.во всех играх есть косяки это норма,но кумовство,своячество ммм... такое нигде и никто не терпит. ))и не стоит говорить что это не двойные стандарты а просто все поменялось,ничего не поменялось когда я просто указал на один эксплойт мне прилетела угроза мгновенно это было всего месяц может даже меньше назад)я всего лишь сказал что есть такие то дыры и что помешает их использовать,со мной тут же начали говорить так будто я читак какой то )))при этом некоторым позволенно на стримах лупить договорные бои в которых они выпускают из боя врага,юзать стороннее ПО (в два окна ж через сэндбокс гамают и ему подобные) и так далее.уверен на 99% что если так сделаю я,мне перманент прилетит мгновенно)

THIS is the point.

And if so many people complain and WANT (rightfully I'd add) a clear and plain statements and decisions is because THEY ALL WANT to play in a 3000+ online server in next months.

It's not the punishment of the exploiter what matters.

It's the fear that repeated lack of action will kill the game on its birth.

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1 hour ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

THIS is the point.

And if so many people complain and WANT (rightfully I'd add) a clear and plain statements and decisions is because THEY ALL WANT to play in a 3000+ online server in next months.

It's not the punishment of the exploiter what matters.

It's the fear that repeated lack of action will kill the game on its birth.

All well what's end well.

It's legit use friends or alts in other nations to bypass frontlines.

Let's go on.

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2 hours ago, Shocktrooper Basteyy said:

I know somehting the devs could do:
 

They just allow alts being in the same Nation to Prevent stealing where the other Nation can't do anything. In this case they could catch the Trader if he wants to run out of Harbour. 

I mean, the best fix is that the only clan & nation that can gain hostility is the clan that started the hostility mission. This would allow big clans to help smaller clans get ports and would circumnavigate this whole issue as only that one nation would get the points. 

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2 hours ago, Galt said:

I mean, the best fix is that the only clan & nation that can gain hostility is the clan that started the hostility mission. This would allow big clans to help smaller clans get ports and would circumnavigate this whole issue as only that one nation would get the points. 

Thats the best 

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On 10/21/2016 at 10:46 PM, admin said:

 

Clarification. By abuse we mean directly generating hostility for the enemy by means of sinking or surrendering. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

All well what's end well.

It's legit use friends or alts in other nations to bypass frontlines.

Let's go on.

Please stop misreading our posts and trying to push them to other situations.

We have zero information from the recent tribunals that alts were surrendering or alts were killed to generate hostility. If there were such tribunals you should contact mods and/or Ink and cross post in the tribunal. if it was not done.. its the reporter's fault. Empty witch hunts about potential collusion are not going to cut it here - Mueller does not have time for us to investigate this too and we have to time to make screenshots for the reporters. 

 

Informal alliances are allowed and if you informal ally will let you use his hostility missions its allowed. Its diplomacy. There is no sinking of alts in this and you spend time sinking bots (risking enemy to enter your mission). 

Sinking alts to gain hostility or marks or other rewards is not allowed STILL And will cause bans. Using alts to block hostility missions is not allowed and can be reported - but it must be a valid report, have no off topic just reporting the issue, providing proof of what happened, and providing enough information to help prove that that blocking player is an alt. 

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Just now, admin said:

 

Please stop misreading our posts and trying to push them to other situations.

We have zero information from the recent tribunals that alts were surrendering or alts were killed to generate hostility. If there were such tribunals you should contact mods and ink and cross post in the tribunal. if it was not done.. its the reporter's fault. But empty witch hunts about potential collusion are not going to cut it here - Mueller does not have time for us to investigate this too. 

 

Informal alliances are allowed and if you informal ally will let you use his hostility missions its allowed. Its diplomacy.
Sinking alts to gain hostility or marks or other rewards is not allowed STILL And will cause bans.

у клана SORRY был неформальный союз с французами когда вы их банили вы готовы извинится и компенсировать ребятам все так как ваше мнение теперь поменялось?

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2 minutes ago, soulfuor said:

у клана SORRY был неформальный союз с французами когда вы их банили вы готовы извинится и компенсировать ребятам все так как ваше мнение теперь поменялось? 

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9 hours ago, soulfuor said:

у клана SORRY был неформальный союз с французами когда вы их банили вы готовы извинится и компенсировать ребятам все так как ваше мнение теперь поменялось?

с удовольствием забаним повторно так как французы в том бою были без пушек и все весело фармили конвест марки за порты (тогда еще были конквест марки
договорные бои запрещены правилами
 

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4 minutes ago, admin said:

 

Please stop misreading our posts and trying to push them to other situations.

We have zero information from the recent tribunals that alts were surrendering or alts were killed to generate hostility. If there were such tribunals you should contact mods and ink and cross post in the tribunal. if it was not done.. its the reporter's fault. But empty witch hunts about potential collusion are not going to cut it here - Mueller does not have time for us to investigate this too. 

 

Informal alliances are allowed and if you informal ally will let you use his hostility missions its allowed. Its diplomacy.
Sinking alts to gain hostility or marks or other rewards is not allowed STILL And will cause bans.

and what's about frontlines mechanic? what have you worked for if it is enought entering in an ''informal ally's'' mission to skip the Hostility mission distance and setting PB for allied nation?

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3 minutes ago, admin said:

 

Please stop misreading our posts and trying to push them to other situations.

We have zero information from the recent tribunals that alts were surrendering or alts were killed to generate hostility. If there were such tribunals you should contact mods and ink and cross post in the tribunal. if it was not done.. its the reporter's fault. But empty witch hunts about potential collusion are not going to cut it here - Mueller does not have time for us to investigate this too. 

 

Informal alliances are allowed and if you informal ally will let you use his hostility missions its allowed. Its diplomacy.
Sinking alts to gain hostility or marks or other rewards is not allowed STILL And will cause bans.

Excuse me.

Granted that killing enemies is not generating any hostility (aside defensively) the only use for alts is farming hostility missions (against AIs) normally not accessable.

And a moderator clearly said it is allowed.

If I misread mod post, I could be only happy granted my opinion is different; still I would accept (any) Devs' statement on this matter acting accordingly.

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I just think the issue is that with other nations being allowed and able to help gain hostility in parts of the map where a nation would never be able to get to itself, kind of makes the whole frontline idea pointless. And it doesn't need to be an alliance, just needs to be one char.

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9 hours ago, admin said:

с удовольствием забаним повторно
договорные бои запрещены правилами

 

какой оффтоп я про альтов и говорил,через альта бф замутили договорняк все в тему не стоит беспределить вам не кажется?я клиент и я хочу объяснения что в игре разрешено а что нет четко и конкретно и в чем разница между договорным ПБ и просто договорным боем есть стримы с договорняками с альтами и прочим почему одним это можно другим нет?или это всем можно ?

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1 minute ago, Licinio Chiavari said:

Excuse me.

Granted that killing enemies is not generating any hostility (aside defensively) the only use for alts is farming hostility missions (against AIs) normally not accessable.

And a moderator clearly said it is allowed.

If I misread mod post, I could be only happy granted my opinion is different; still I would accept (any) Devs' statement on this matter acting accordingly.

Excuse me too
I was responding to your message IN THIS TOPIC about usage of alts for hostility. And this topic was brought up multiple times on the forums and in game chats as if this topic can be used to ban someone for using other's hostility missions. This rule/post is about surrendering, sinking alts to quickly set up a PB.

 Not about asking real or imaginary friend to take a hostility mission. 

BTW We preemptively removed OW generation of hostility to solve 90% of the problems. In hostility missions usage of alts to generate hostility points by surrendering or sinking them is not allowed and is still banneable (for example bringing 10 ships to an enemy side to sink them to gain hostility faster).

 

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3 minutes ago, Liq said:

I just think the issue is that with other nations being allowed and able to help gain hostility in parts of the map where a nation would never be able to get to itself, kind of makes the whole frontline idea pointless. And it doesn't need to be an alliance, just needs to be one char.

Ya, this indeed.

I thought Frontlines was to make front lines where nations are touching each other and have to battle it out to move forward to push back the enemy. If we are simply able to jump around them by using another nation, or heck even the enemy nation alt/rogue member, then Frontlines is useless. Just delete it and let us attack anywhere from anywhere, because basically that is what is possible with alt/friend hostilities.

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so  can i use an ALT to take Hostility mission where i cannot with MAIN, then i can join with my MAIN and set PB for MAIN nation?

 

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6 minutes ago, soulfuor said:

какой оффтоп я про альтов и говорил,через альта бф замутили договорняк все в тему не стоит беспределить вам не кажется?я клиент и я хочу объяснения что в игре разрешено а что нет четко и конкретно и в чем разница между договорным ПБ и просто договорным боем есть стримы с договорняками с альтами и прочим почему одним это можно другим нет?или это всем можно ?

взятие миссии разрешено правилами
заход в миссии разрешен правилами
утопление неписей дает хостилити утопившему и тоже разрешено правилами
эти механики доступны всем и разрешены - вам им и всем остальным


про ваш пример
фарм марок на альтах запрещен правилами
и даже не только на альтах договорные бои для фарма марок между игроками запрещены правилами - так как в вашем примере игроки сливающие свои корабли и не собирались драться - не взяли даже пушек и тупо еще решили это постримить - хихикая в чате что как щас круто марки пофармим. 

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1 minute ago, huliotkd said:

so  can i use an ALT to take Hostility mission where i cannot with MAIN, then i can join with my MAIN and set PB for MAIN nation?

 

this was already answered multiple times (i even posted about this SEVERAL days ago).

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Just now, admin said:

this was already answered multiple times (i even posted about this SEVERAL days ago).

sorry then, i didn't found your post about. 

can you link it?

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1 minute ago, admin said:

взятие миссии разрешено правилами
заход в миссии разрешен правилами
утопление неписей дает хостилити утопившему и тоже разрешено правилами
эти механики доступны всем и разрешены - вам им и всем остальным


про ваш пример
фарм марок на альтах запрещен правилами
и даже не только на альтах договорные бои для фарма марок между игроками запрещены правилами - так как в вашем примере игроки сливающие свои корабли и не собирались драться - не взяли даже пушек и тупо еще решили это постримить - хихикая в чате что как щас круто марки пофармим. 

так а как вы узнает о намерениях?я могу говорить что мы просто деремся а по факту набиваем марки или наоборот.может все же стоит максимально конкретизировать ? и что насчет стороннего по?для игры в два окна?

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6 minutes ago, admin said:

Excuse me too
I was responding to your message IN THIS TOPIC about usage of alts for hostility. And this topic was brought up multiple times on the forums and in game chats as if this topic can be used to ban someone for using other's hostility missions. This rule/post is about surrendering, sinking alts to quickly set up a PB.

 Not about asking real or imaginary friend to take a hostility mission. 

BTW We preemptively removed OW generation of hostility to solve 90% of the problems. In hostility missions usage of alts to generate hostility points by surrendering or sinking them is not allowed and is still banneable (for example bringing 10 ships to an enemy side to sink them to gain hostility faster).

 

Still, I would apologize, the issue, that makes all Frontline great concept empty is there.

And it was the real question.

A question a Mod, finally replied: it is fair farming other nation hostility missions (how, friend or alt, is not relevant) to flip a Port otherwise un-attackable.

Therefore Santiago russian attack was fair. And we were wrong refusing to defend it (not relevant in anycase IMO).

Therefore, and this was the question, if tomorrow I farm other nation hostility missions to flip a port otherwise I cant get missions to, it will be fair. Surely till next hotfix.

 

In the end we asked only for a clear statement about what's fair or not to be able to not break a rule.

Nothing more.

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14 minutes ago, huliotkd said:

sorry then, i didn't found your post about. 

can you link it?

no problem. 
Currently  - it is a legacy feature - you generate hostility for yourself even if you enter other people mission. This leads to this situation when legacy mechanic interferes with the new feature. OW hostility was removed but this legacy hostility calculation was not. It will take time to remove it from hostility missions too. 

 

In the past we spent too much time investigating alts and in 90% of cases those investigations did not find alt abuse. But to eliminate all concerns (and even conspiracy theories) port battles moved to clan based mechanic. It was not done because we want clans to fight (we want nations to fight) but human nature forces us to use clan based conquest as clans can control who enter the port battle - thus eliminating alts from port battles completely. Battlegroups also solved some of the alt concerns in OW screenings and interceptions.

As a result - hostility missions WILL ALSO move to clan based mechanics or will only generate hostility for the mission owner. But it will take time to implement. Before they are reworked - you can use legacy mechanics - it is not an exploit.
Wipe will happen once this feature gets stabilized. There is no point to wipe the map after every flaw is found.  

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Thank you for this clarification. We understand now that it will take time to move hostility generation fully to clan based mechanics. But this means of bypassing the Frontline Mechanic WILL be fixed before release. yes?

It is too bad we cannot see how Frontlines would have worked, and are intended to work. How WOULD rats and France work their way onto the US coast, for instance? Would they have had to start down in Florida and fight their way up the  coast? We may never know until game release...

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6 minutes ago, admin said:

As a result - hostility missions WILL ALSO move to clan based mechanics or will only generate hostility for the mission owner. But it will take time to implement. Before they are reworked - you can use legacy mechanics - it is not an exploit.
Wipe will happen once this feature gets stabilized. There is no point to wipe the map after every flaw is found.  

Obviously this isn't the right thread, but this comment is interesting.  Anymore info on the increase in clan based mechanics?

I'm going to assume that everyone in clan X will need to be in clan x to generate hostility for that said clan. Or maybe clan X + friends list?  Once this is done, what would the advantages of staying in a nation based game format be?  This would essentially be a clan + alliance based game then. 

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1 minute ago, Preechur Blackheart said:

Thank you for this clarification. We understand now that it will take time to move hostility generation fully to clan based mechanics. But this means of bypassing the Frontline Mechanic WILL be fixed before release. yes?

It is too bad we cannot see how Frontlines would have worked, and are intended to work. How WOULD rats and France work their way onto the US coast, for instance? Would they have had to start down in Florida and fight their way up the  coast? We may never know until game release...

That's exactly what will happen along with the mad race for nassau, marsh, Kidd's and Bermuda

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