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1 minute ago, Liq said:

What ports is the "HAVOC alt can" holding?

Right - none

Because they handed it over to Swedish HAVOC. 

This directly contradicts what you said about all HAVOC leaving Denmark before SJ was captured.

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Just now, Archaos said:

Because they handed it over to Swedish HAVOC. 

This directly contradicts what you said about all HAVOC leaving Denmark before SJ was captured.

changing nations is a PROCESS.

What matters is in the end, the whole clan changed nation and is making active use of the port in question

Whereas BASTD put it onto an alter clan while staying British.

(Some people on global discrd said BASTD was going to switch to Swden. Yeah right, what about that?)

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1 minute ago, rediii said:

guess we can give all danish ports to HAVOC alt clan if alts are allowed in RvR now.

Or get a lot of british ports with british alts and make them free for all.

Or attack ports to block other people from attacking a port.

unlimited exploitabilities.

You are missing the point, I feel what was done at Truxillo was wrong, but so too was what happened at San Juan. Both cases although slightly different relied on some form of alt to ensure the port was handed over to the person or clan that the owner wanted. There are probably many other cases the same.

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1 minute ago, Liq said:

changing nations is a PROCESS.

What matters is in the end, the whole clan changed nation and is making active use of the port in question

Whereas BASTD put it onto an alter clan while staying British.

(Some people on global discrd said BASTD was going to switch to Swden. Yeah right, what about that?)

How do you know that they are not planning to do that? and anyway as someone pointed out HAVOC still have alt clans in Denmark, so they did not all move as you say.

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2 minutes ago, rediii said:

its different sorry. You might try your best to twist the facts as much as possible but in the end it's a swedish alt that was used to flip the port to sweden so it can't be attacked by sweden.

San Juan was flipped with swedish ships, no alts involved.

And was it not a HAVOC alt still in the Danish nation that kept ownership of San Juan till HAVOC had captured it?

Its not twisting the facts. So tell me which clan owned San Juan when HAVOC attacked and how many members were in that clan and was there any connection between HAVOC and the Danish clan that owned SJ when you captured it. Were other Danish clans prevented from defending the port?

You selectively choose facts to justify your position by saying no alts were involved in the flipping of SJ, but you conveniently forget that some form of alt or player who had no intention of remaining Danish held the port and did not defend it as well as stopping other Danes from defending the port.

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16 minutes ago, Archaos said:

How do you know that they are not planning to do that? and anyway as someone pointed out HAVOC still have alt clans in Denmark, so they did not all move as you say.

 

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Leftover HAVOCS in Danish are inactive players.

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Just now, rediii said:

No it was Liam who was rather inactive and slow and lazy to switch. It was real people. :) 

Yes danish clans were not allowed to defend the port.

Where is the alts involved in RvR in this?

 

Its all about the alt stuff, not taking ports with you after you changed nation. Where is the issue with this?

But you knew there were players who had not changed nation and would not defend the port. If you really wanted you would have closed down the clan and let the port go neutral before you flipped it, but you choose not to do that as there was a risk that you may not be the ones to get it. You played lose with the rules to get the port and you know it but because someone else also plays loose with the rules you do not like it and choose to differentiate it by saying it was an alt. 

Both cases are bad and should not have been allowed.

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1 minute ago, Liq said:

 

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Leftover HAVOCS in Danish are inactive players.

I thought it was not allowed to post private conversations.

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Just now, Archaos said:

I thought it was not allowed to post private conversations.

so GB nation chat is private?

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6 minutes ago, Bryan Von Gyldenloeve said:

Some have been active after most Havoc left for Sweden. Think one ore 2 tried to buy poods in the danish. Once they actually got a kill and got on the leaderboard.

I know Pellew has an active alt in DK-NG he was trying to buy poods through.

Regardless - SJ to Sweden/Trux to Sweden. There is not really that big of a difference. As to using other nations to help raise host? - it has been ruled on before.

Nothing to see here.

Is it well-functioning mechanics? - no. Don't blame players for using the mechanics at their disposal - change the mechanics.

So far I've heard zero suggestions that would enable HAVOC to avoid the same punishment for San Juan, that they wish doled out to BASTD for Truxillo.

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Before we go into the whole conundrum about how to prevent something I would like to ask - why is it so important for some clans to avoid healthy competition either through owning port bonus' or by trying to abuse the tribunal to avoid other clans to get into RvR?

Isn't there a problem when 1 player who buys into this game, same price as everyone else, is told that there's gameplay he can't/shouldn't not be allowed to participate in?

Friendslists removed PB abuse of alts, but - there should be a way for clans to do their own thing without being forced by the old priviledged clans.

 

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Just now, Liq said:

so GB nation chat is private?

Are you in GB nation?

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Just now, Archaos said:

Are you in GB nation?

got some informants, brits with a backbone left :)

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BASTD: Exploiting RvR by using an ALT account to keep the last chance to  control Truxillo.

 

HAVOC: Complete change of nations with main accounts. At the time, HAVOC was not under pressure to lose San Juan as BASTD is now

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I also fail to see how the fact that the clan that raised hostility may have been an alt has any bearing on the situation as I believed that this had previously been ruled on and as long as the alt did not deliberately let themselves be sunk or take other action to affect the hostility then it was allowed for a third nation to join in and assist in raising hostility. If the alt did nothing wrong then what does it matter if he is an alt. Your whole argument relies on the fact that it allegedly was an alt, but what if it was a clan that just wanted the port for themselves and were not friendly with HAVOC?

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2 minutes ago, eneibesmuB said:

BASTD: Exploiting RvR by using an ALT account to keep the last chance to  control Truxillo.

 

HAVOC: Complete change of nations with main accounts. At the time, HAVOC was not under pressure to lose San Juan as BASTD is now

Wrong!! HAVOC were going to lose San Juan if they changed nation as you have to move all your stuff to neutral port before using forged papers and all possesions and buildings in nation would be lost. They knew this and took steps to keep the port.

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On 10/21/2016 at 9:46 PM, admin said:

Other methods of abuse could also happen and will be reviewed separately

Please read this line in the first post. Thank you

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16 minutes ago, Liq said:

got some informants, brits with a backbone left :)

and you call this  backbone? I call them spies

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16 minutes ago, Liq said:

got some informants, brits with a backbone left :)

So you are transmitting information that you should not have been party to, I think that calls for a BAN. 🙂

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5 minutes ago, Archaos said:

So you are transmitting information that you should not have been party to, I think that calls for a BAN. 🙂

You asked for a proof, upon delivering it you deny its existency because it shouldn't be seen

confirmed troll

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Just now, Liq said:

You asked for a proof, upon delivering it you deny its existency because it shouldn't be seen

confirmed troll

One could argue the same for the very weak argument that San Juan should somehow be different from Truxillo.

Confirmed troll.

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Just now, Lars Kjaer said:

One could argue the same for the very weak argument that San Juan should somehow be different from Truxillo.

Confirmed troll.

try reading again

(but use your brain this time)

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47 minutes ago, rediii said:

its different sorry. You might try your best to twist the facts as much as possible but in the end it's a swedish alt that was used to flip the port to sweden so it can't be attacked by sweden.

San Juan was flipped with swedish ships, no alts involved.

truxillo is swedish now. where is your problem? that you personally didn´t get it? you´d better look in "your" nation who helped here mr. fact-twister

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2 minutes ago, Liq said:

try reading again

(but use your brain this time)

So far I think I've been the only one of us who has been emotionally detached from the subject under discussion.

If u can't have a mature discussion about the matter at hand without resorting to juvenile antics I suggest you go cool off and then come back when you're ready to have a sincere debate.

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6 minutes ago, Liq said:

try reading again

(but use your brain this time)

Why you heff to be mad? It s only a game! relax :D

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54 minutes ago, Bryan Von Gyldenloeve said:

Damn thought I remember a Pb at shallow Russia vs Dutch. We where all in ts(you where still dk). Pretty sure you left the screening to help the dutch. Well I must remember wrong if you say so.

Trolling. Well that is an answer I Guess. As I hope you do State what you do belive is fact, so do I.

Alts is According to Stream to regard as a seperat account. Admin have stated that often.

Port Swaping is legal. That have admin said befor. Thats why SJ was According to rules.

There was a tribunal a bit back on Christondom on using alts in hostillity. Admin said it was legal, as long they didn’t fight in the same battle.

It is allowed to have help from other nations to do hostillity missions.

So witch rule is you think they have broken.

Since he who shall not be named was mentioned I felt I should reply.  I was indeed tribunal’d by a salty Brit clan that was upset over the octoflip and losing ports they tried to timer dodge for using an american alt character to legitimately generate hostility by sinking bots.  My Russian was safely tucked away up in Bermuda and it was ruled no harm, no foul.  
 

Alts being sunk for hostility generation have been not allowed for sometime.  I believe someone from Priv was actually punished in one the rare occasions where a tribunal post had a resolution. 
 

that said I personally see zero difference between what havoc did and what bastd has allegedly done.  Both re-secured their main crafting base in a new nation.  Both cheated out the former nation from providing a defense and losing all of their investments.   I’d be upset as a Dane or Brit in either situation.  
 

hopefully we get a definitive ruling on the outcome and this alt bullshit can end

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