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41 minutes ago, gimli_balinson said:

If u know the big difference between truxillo and san juan u know what is wrong...... in case if u dont know u have 2 options 

 

1. stay quiet 

 

2. read the difference right here:

san juan: 1swedish player opend hostilitie mission and swesish player finished

truxillo: 1 swedish alt opend hostilitie mission and russian player finished

 

if u see the difference its fine if not i would say its time to buy glasses that u can read it

Haha i was just trolling but your desperate response just validated everything i said congrats.

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3 minutes ago, Potemkin said:

Haha i was just trolling but your desperate response just validated everything i said congrats.

Hmmm desperate... i think foR potrmkin is glases not enough he must be crazy if he see in a answer that just say the true a desperate answer 😁

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1 hour ago, Potemkin said:

Thats how it goes with sweden, they use exploits until one gets used on them then they act like whoever did it to them was the only group that uses said exploit. Lmao hypocrites

it´s a little different here. big swedish clans have rogue players that do their own business cause they are pissed with their leaders attitudes. crc just cut truxillo from havocs food-chain. a funny move to me. and nice to see that nation isn´t as united as it seems. no wonder with all these nation hoppers though.

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1 minute ago, Genevieve Malfleurs said:

it´s a little different here. big swedish clans have rogue players that do their own business cause they are pissed with their leaders attitudes. crc just cut truxillo from havocs food-chain. a funny move to me. and nice to see that nation isn´t as united as it seems. no wonder with all these nation hoppers though.

again, if you guys are seriously ok with "how" this was done.

then no one is going to like what is coming.

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4 minutes ago, Genevieve Malfleurs said:

it´s a little different here. big swedish clans have rogue players that do their own business cause they are pissed with their leaders attitudes. crc just cut truxillo from havocs food-chain. a funny move to me. and nice to see that nation isn´t as united as it seems. no wonder with all these nation hoppers though.

Haha who came up with the idea of telling this tale? :D You must have good story tellers in GB.

 

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57 minutes ago, rediii said:

You could have stopped us at hostility?

We could not stop the hostility at trux due to use of a alt account

Purg3 or any other clan that might've had an interest in SJ could not have stopped u from doing the host. Don't confuse this with GB vs Sweden this is an internal swedish matter, and port swapping is allowed. So is jumping from one nation to another, you of all people should know this.

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6 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

again, if you guys are seriously ok with "how" this was done.

then no one is going to like what is coming.

I didn't particularly care for the way Sweden took SJ from Denmark-Norway.. RvR hasn't functioned very well for a long time, but the question of raising host with allies is already tested.. 

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31 minutes ago, gimli_balinson said:

Hmmm desperate... i think foR potrmkin is glases not enough he must be crazy if he see in a answer that just say the true a desperate answer 😁

Yes?

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44 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

again, if you guys are seriously ok with "how" this was done.

 

then no one is going to like what is coming.

I think hardly anyone is ok with the way it was done. The same way hardly anyone was ok with the way San Juan was "captured" by Sweden. But it was deemed legal gameplay. So, most players got over it, except for the Danish who lost the port of course. 

However, it seems that Swedish players have a very unique view on this topic: San Juan was ok, Truxillo is not. And now Swedes threaten to go full alt war. Well ok, if you do that, it'll make @Liq's tribunal seem very absurd: go to tribunal and then threaten to do exactly what you deemed tribunal worthy. This is close to the very definition of hypocrisy, wouldn't you agree? 

And why are you so worried about a British port being captured by a minor Swedish clan? 

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Just now, van Veen said:

I think hardly anyone is ok with the way it was done. The same way hardly anyone was ok with the way San Juan was "captured" by Sweden. But it was deemed legal gameplay. So, most players got over it, except for the Danish who lost the port of course. 

However, it seems that Swedish players have a very unique view on this topic: San Juan was ok, Truxillo is not. And now Swedes threaten to go full alt war. Well ok, if you do that, it'll make @Liq's tribunal seem very absurd: go to tribunal and then threaten to do exactly what you deemed tribunal worthy. This is close to the very definition of hypocrisy, wouldn't you agree? 

And why are you so worried about a British port being captured by a minor Swedish clan? 

San Juan: Belonged to HAVOC, in Danmark. Got pissed off by "privateers" not helping the nation effort. Changed Nation, ALL of us. Retook San Juan, which was ours. Important: ALL of us did the nation switch.

Truxillo: BASTD, British, using a swedish alter to capture the port, while they stay British. Port is now locked in an alter clan. BASTD remains British.

Can it be any more obvious?

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3 minutes ago, Liq said:

San Juan: Belonged to HAVOC, in Danmark. Got pissed off by "privateers" not helping the nation effort. Changed Nation, ALL of us. Retook San Juan, which was ours. Important: ALL of us did the nation switch.

Truxillo: BASTD, British, using a swedish alter to capture the port, while they stay British. Port is now locked in an alter clan. BASTD remains British.

Can it be any more obvious?

what was with santo domingo?

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1 minute ago, Dark123 said:

what was with santo domingo?

??

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1 minute ago, TDK said:

Santo Domingo was held by SNOW and was given to LIONS. But since you cannot gift a port to a clan in your own nation, the Swedish kindly helped in taking the port from SNOW so LIONS could take it back from Sweden.

nope. long time ago. havoc was dutch.

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5 minutes ago, Liq said:

San Juan: Belonged to HAVOC, in Danmark. Got pissed off by "privateers" not helping the nation effort. Changed Nation, ALL of us. Retook San Juan, which was ours. Important: ALL of us did the nation switch.

Truxillo: BASTD, British, using a swedish alter to capture the port, while they stay British. Port is now locked in an alter clan. BASTD remains British.

Can it be any more obvious?

Who are u to enslave some members to the same clan forever regardles of wether that clan chooses to switch or not. What if some BASTD players decided to move and some didn't..

You have an exceptionally biased view of this matter, and I'd like to point out that you don't have all the facts and you refuse to acknowledge similarities between SJ and Trux simply because you 'feel' they are different.

SJ got flipped by a swedish clan, thus preventing other swedish clans from doing host on SJ and get the port. That some/all HAVOC players then switched to Sweden is for the PB irrelevant.

Truxillo was flipped by a swedish clan, thus preventing other swedish clans from taking the port. The use of foreign allies/mercenaries has already been tested and deemed working as intended. You may not like it, but to tribunal someone for doing what the mechanics allow, whilst still maintaining that your abuse of the mechanics was acceptable is the very definition of hypocracy..

Rather than taking Trux as an example it would prob be better to argue out of a hypothetical example thus removing the irrelevant emotional factor.

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6 minutes ago, TDK said:

Let's not forget that Swedes could only pull this on San Juan because it was declared legal before they did it. They did the same before at Bluefields, which has held by British alt clan RIVAL. The main accounts of RIVAL player were and still are HAVOC members (Dutch back then). RIVAL removed every friendly clan from friendlist and HAVOC captured the uncontested port. Reasoning "The Brits had no use of it".

A Tribunal was started, but Ink declared this method of port swapping to be legal.

Dude u made my day 😂😂😂😂 bluefields 😂😂😂😂 empty 😂😂😂😂 maybe i drunk to much but i remember to see 20 british 1 rathes there also some from bast 

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3 minutes ago, Lars Kjaer said:

SJ got flipped by a swedish clan, thus preventing other swedish clans from doing host on SJ and get the port. That some/all HAVOC players then switched to Sweden is for the PB irrelevant.

 

If you actually think that CRC clan is legit, you're a fool

There are no complaints within Sweden about HAVOC owning San Juan, which they've owned before. We put everyone on the friend list anyway.

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Just now, Liq said:

If actually think that CRC clan is legit, you're a fool

There are no complaints within Sweden about HAVOC owning San Juan, which they've owned before. We put everyone on the friend list anyway.

I know of clan that has a complaint. I trade with them for stuff they need elsewhere.. And wether u have ppl on the friendslist is irrelevant. 

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Just now, Bryan Von Gyldenloeve said:

Pretty sure Swedish players can come on friendlist of this new clan to.

Well legit. What game rule is it Breaking. You claim it is not legit. Plz tell what rule it breaks?

they are pissed. thats all. havoc isnt the owner of the port

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@Liq I still believe you to be decent guy, not only a very good pvp, but a good person, but your clan HAVOC, you do not know them well. You do not know their history, so your actions seem funny. Why don't you let Rediii, Liam etc. to make the forum fight. They are used to mud, but instead you are in the mud. Do not do this, let them pvp on forums, you pvp on the game. o7

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18 minutes ago, Liq said:

San Juan: Belonged to HAVOC, in Danmark. Got pissed off by "privateers" not helping the nation effort. Changed Nation, ALL of us. Retook San Juan, which was ours. Important: ALL of us did the nation switch.

Truxillo: BASTD, British, using a swedish alter to capture the port, while they stay British. Port is now locked in an alter clan. BASTD remains British.

Can it be any more obvious?

What you describe as key difference is the context and the purpose, but this is irrelevant as to what happened factually. 

In both cases an alt clan from another nation was used to create an empty port battle. That is the key. Everything else doesn't matter. 

In San Juan, the defending clan was an alt, in Truxillo the attacking clan was an alt. The friendlist was used at San Juan to block out defenders, at Truxillo it was used against the attackers. 

This just proves that the same method can be applied offensively and defensively. But it's still the same. 

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28 minutes ago, Liq said:

San Juan: Belonged to HAVOC, in Danmark. Got pissed off by "privateers" not helping the nation effort. Changed Nation, ALL of us. Retook San Juan, which was ours. Important: ALL of us did the nation switch.

Truxillo: BASTD, British, using a swedish alter to capture the port, while they stay British. Port is now locked in an alter clan. BASTD remains British.

Can it be any more obvious?

So to use your logic, Truxillo was a BASTD port, they got pissed off with HAVOC taking GB ports and decided to give the port to a small Swedish clan. It is their port and they can decide who they give it to.

Your argument does not work. If San Juan was HAVOCs and all HAVOC changed nation, how come the port did not become neutral? Someone must have stayed in Danish nation to remove all other Danish clans from friendlist till HAVOC had raised hostility and taken port. Why did HAVOC not just let the port go neutral and join in the free for all to raise hostility on the port? Because the only way they could guarantee getting the port themselves was to play loosely with the rules.

May not be exactly the same as Truxillo, but surely even you must see that it is a similar abuse of game mechanics.

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5 minutes ago, Archaos said:

So to use your logic, Truxillo was a BASTD port, they got pissed off with HAVOC taking GB ports and decided to give the port to a small Swedish clan. It is their port and they can decide who they give it to.

Even calling that alt a clan is a joke. It is one alt with the soul purpose to exploit the holes in the RvR system to prevent a total loss of Truxillo. 

7 minutes ago, Archaos said:

Your argument does not work. If San Juan was HAVOCs and all HAVOC changed nation, how come the port did not become neutral? Someone must have stayed in Danish nation to remove all other Danish clans from friendlist till HAVOC had raised hostility and taken port. Why did HAVOC not just let the port go neutral and join in the free for all to raise hostility on the port? Because the only way they could guarantee getting the port themselves was to play loosely with the rules.

HAVOC and the other Danish clans burned bridges between one another far in advance and the Danish clans were removed from the Friends list a long time ago as requested by the Swedish clans who were requested to help flip San Juan for HAVOC and their return to Sweden. Hence, why it never went Neutral. It was not something that occurred in a day or even a week. This was going on for a full month after HAVOC had enough with the other clans of Danmark and vice versa. The deterioration of Danmark was not a single individual or even a single clans fault, but rather the inability for the clans to come to compromises and work together in a functioning manner. If Danmark was a much larger nation their inability to see eye to eye could easily be overcome much like you see in Great Britain where obviously not every clan is on the same page but are still able to function as a nation. In a smaller enviroment this is not sustainable. 

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