Arvenski Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 All right then, Bungee, what's the obvious choice of wildcard this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 @arvenski :ph34r: :ph34r: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Meh, Christian VII is better. Edited February 12, 2016 by Arvenski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johny Reb Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I simply voted to fill a gap as well as to pick a ship with a different national flavor. I went with the wasa because as a 60 gun ships she fits nicely between the heavy frigate and the sol. The Diane is a pretty ship but I wanted a ship that didn't sound so, uh, English. I would have loved to have voted for that unnamed Venetian corvette. It's lines are so unique, shallow draft and looks fast but I preferred to vote for a ship that belongs to a nation in the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErilaZ Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Why Diana? Essentially it is yet another Trincomalee... The main problem is the fact we have almost no different 4th rates and superfrigates. There is a huge gap between Trincomalee and 3rd rate, and due to it's crew size Constitution does not solve this problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruthless4u Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Not even voted yet lol. No clue and at this point does not seem to matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Why Diana? Essentially it is yet another Trincomalee... The main problem is the fact we have almost no different 4th rates and superfrigates. There is a huge gap between Trincomalee and 3rd rate, and due to it's crew size Constitution does not solve this problem. She's Spanish. That might be enough to get some folks to vote for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 ErilaZ, on 13 Feb 2016 - 02:18 AM, said: Why Diana?Essentially it is yet another Trincomalee...The main problem is the fact we have almost no different 4th rates and superfrigates. There is a huge gap between Trincomalee and 3rd rate, and due to it's crew size Constitution does not solve this problem. because Trincomalee is an 18 pounder Wet-Frigate and the other is an 34gun 12lb one. 2 complete diffrent things. and again the vote doenst need to go for what the game needs but what the player wants gapes will be stuffed(not just filled) soon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 gaps will be stuffed(not just filled) soon. You're such a tease, Mirones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamz Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Not many votes for the Christianborg at the moment, but I would vote for it on the hope that it could be in the same class as the Cerberus. At 195 crew, the Cerberus is the only ship in its rank (that's not a redeemable). The Christianborg looks like it might be around that 151-200 range for the same rank. The Diana could maybe fit there too but gunwise it's with the Surprise and the Renommee. We should have more than 1 ship at Cerberus rank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramtheDutch Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Not many votes for the Christianborg at the moment, but I would vote for it on the hope that it could be in the same class as the Cerberus. At 195 crew, the Cerberus is the only ship in its rank (that's not a redeemable). The Christianborg looks like it might be around that 151-200 range for the same rank. The Diana could maybe fit there too but gunwise it's with the Surprise and the Renommee. We should have more than 1 ship at Cerberus rank. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 because Trincomalee is an 18 pounder Wet-Frigate and the other is an 34gun 12lb one. 2 complete diffrent things. I thought Diana was an 18-pounder frigate like the Trinc? The Christianborg looks like it might be around that 151-200 range for the same rank. Just checked her plans, crew size was 224. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegfried Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 No, Diana is 12 pounder and in my opinion redundant. Venus has 40 guns 24 pounders and a better match for trinco with heavier guns to hunt Constitutions. And more pretty too Of course, when this ships come, we will al gaps filled I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) Thanks for the info, Siegfried Edited February 13, 2016 by Malachi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 The Spanish were infamous for undergunning their ships. Diana's beam and length on the gundeck are almost the same as Amphion, the 32-gun 18-pdr frigate. Arming her with 18-pdrs could absolutely be an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 At war times, most ships of the Spanish Royal Navy were rearmed with heavier guns. This proccedure was done in order to increase the lifetime of the ships. Not surprising. But there were a few very large, beautiful Spanish frigates that got caught carrying 6-pounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramtheDutch Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Not surprising. But there were a few very large, beautiful Spanish frigates that got caught carrying 6-pounders. I think they did it to get maximum efficiency, the more important the mission of the ship the higher the better the guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haratik Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/21533369.2005.9668343 This might shed some light on the Spanish situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 You've already got a 28 gun corvette in game. HMS Cerberus is a British light frigate. USS Rattlesnake will be the first Corvette when implemented in the game someday. In game, there are several schooners, several Brigs, several Frigates and so on. There might be a couple of Corvettes too, no ? You might want to learn more about Corvettes : http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7682-french-corvettes-6th-rate-warships/ Corvettes in this poll : the Descubierta and the Venetian ship. http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/6819-descubierta-spanish-corvette-with-plans/ http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7306-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016/page-7#entry140657 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 L'Unite was a corvette. Nope. Some call L'Unité a heavy Corvette, others a Frigate. I don't know the correct English word. But a Corvette is a french word that describes a 3-masted 6-th Rate ship that carries about 20-24 guns, definitely not a 40+ gun ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 L'Unite was a corvette. And Cerberus is a frigate, despite her smaller broadside. Surprise would have been a very credible frigate in the 1760s. That's progress for you. But a Corvette is a french word that describes a 3-masted 6-th Rate ship that carries about 20-24 guns, definitely not a 40+ gun ship. Every time you describe a ship by counting up every single piece of ordinance (including chasers), God kills a baby Lynx. Surprise fits the 20-24 gun description because she mounts 24 guns on the main battery. Even a smaller corvette with 20 guns on the main battery could feasibly carry 10 more on the upper works for a total of 30. But still a corvette, and definitely not a 32-gun ship, even if she had a pair of chasers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Connor Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 As far as I'm concerned corvettes are flush-decked ships with a single battery. l'Unite is better described as a light frigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 As far as I'm concerned corvettes are flush-decked ships with a single battery. l'Unite is better described as a light frigate. under french service she was classified as a corvette, but under british service she was considered a frigate, and as far as i am concerned, i agree with the surprise being a frigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 We could endlessly argue about terminology when speaking about a ship class (in this case Corvette) even if here most of us seem to agree. However, the initial proposal that started this discussion about terminology and that seems to me much more important was this : We may need more 3-masted 6-th Rate about-20-24 gun small ships in game, such as : - the one that will be implemented someday : the USS Rattlesnake, - the Venetian one and the Descubierta in this poll, called "Corvette" in french ; sometimes "Sloop-of-war" or "Corvette" in English. And no ship currently implemented in game meets these requirements ; neither HMS Cerberus nor HMS Surprise/L'Unité do. PS : Btw, from 1820's on, one could even find in the French Navy a type of big Corvette, a kind of mix of Corvette and Frigate : the 42-meter 32-gun Corvette with an additional flush spar-deck ("Corvette de 32 à batterie couverte"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 - the one that will be implemented someday : the USS Rattlesnake, some day sounds to much as if it would take far long for it to get ingame wich i absolutly dont think is the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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