The Black Friday

[Galileus]

And for your information, The Danish-Norwegians have had to fight on minimum 2 fronts forever. Now finally we could focus one front, like the Swedes and the French have been able to for the entire time.

Time to grow a pair!

 

Oh GASP! You mean the Swedish nation was able to throw their 1 man at 10 of yours the WHOLE TIME!? Now I finally understand you! How unfair of the Swedes to be facing just one threat!

 

I see not only Dutch favor the "10v1 or unfair" policy ^^'

[Louis Marie Dragases]

Congratulations to our foes for their coordinated attacks on the nations of France and Sweden.

I was up north in a Surprise trying to set it ablaze in their ranks, in an attempt to at least cripple a few Russ-*cough* *cough* D-Danes, during the battle of Basseterre, which ended with the loss of my beautiful gold Surprise.

Continued the fight with our disorganized, rag tag band of independents at Terre-Basse, where I spawned amidst the Trincomalees and a Renomée, which I boarded in an attempt at killing as much Rus-*cough* Danes as I could.

The Renomée disengaged with a quarter of its crew dead at the hands of my brave sailors, right after that, broadsides came in from every direction, hitting my powder reserve. Finally giving me the long awaited opportunity of crippling the potato drinker scourge!

I and the survivors of my crew, gladly, gave our lives in service of France, and to honour the sacrifice of our Swedish allies!

 

 

A little quote for all those complaining about unfair "treatment", gankers, or whatever their mind is salty about:

 

"It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way."

[Capt Bubbles]

Hi,

 

why all these flamewars guys?

it is a war GAME, ppl get way to carried away by a bunch of pixels.

 

1- it is a pvp server, ganking is being done by all nations, so stop complaining about it, join the pve-server or play world of warships if you want a fair fight

2- Nations cooperate and plan multiple attacks together, has been for the last for weeks and its part of the game. No need to complain

3- Nations try to get superiour numbers at the front at the right time, part of the game, deal with it or get over it

4- Refrain from personal or clan animosity, we are supposed to be mature enough to play a game, not to behave like a bunch frustrated toddlers

 

Have fun, or take your misery elsewhere

 

Grtzzz Bubbles

[Reki]

Can you stay on a proper level to discuss and dont tend to be provoking?

 

If you would have read my post above you , you have seen that i also  dont tolerat such behavior of ANY faction expect the US because it is their real primetime.

 

So this is NOTHING against the Danes its against EVERYBODY!

If you would have open your eyes, you have seen my like on your post and when you look on timestamp then could reach how it possible.

[izatopia]

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/11259-the-black-friday/?p=199900

 

what bubbles said

[Herminator]

Oh GASP! You mean the Swedish nation was able to throw their 1 man at 10 of yours the WHOLE TIME!? Now I finally understand you! How unfair of the Swedes to be facing just one threat!

 

I see not only Dutch favor the "10v1 or unfair" policy ^^'

 

The Swedes had greater number than us on the EAST front when we were split up. The RUS had problems getting any offensive going.

 

I guess the biggest problem for the Swedes are that their diplomacy failed. One of their 2 major clans tried to make a truce with us, and we offered them terms, reminding them that Denmark-Norway was not fully committed against them yet and spread out. They sacrificed their nation for the British. That is the cold hard truth. We were open that we wanted a Scandinavian Alliance, and our captiols being so close it's just stupid for us to keep fighting one another instead of watching each others backs. Unfortunately they did not listen to that.

Let us be honest, Denmark-Norway is not a larger nation than the French. But for as long as the developers don't share such information we won't know.

The one thing having to fight on 2 fronts have forced us to be is well organized. And we are.

The "tax collection mission" towards the French yesterday would never have been possible had the French been a little organized as well. But guess that is what you get when you never need to fight on 2 fronts

Edited February 27, 2016 by Herminator

[Bart Smith]

Presser un citron/Pressa en citron

[icceman]

Dear all,

 

This a a PVP server, Every one has national business. Week before, We had to defend, now it is time for French. Situation in evolving every day.

 

 

France now has same situation as Dutch before  (attack from both sides on 2 fronts with focused enemies ), we will see how they will fight without advantage.

 

 

One thing should constant : Respect to other players and nations.

 

 

PS.

 

please stop crying that it is not fair or unbalanced or need to updated by devs it is CALI logic...

Edited February 27, 2016 by icceman

[AGermanGuy]

please stop crying that it is not fair or unbalanced or need to updated by devs it is CALI logic...

Say that again when Sweden gets reduced to one port today. That would be all ports lost in 2 days.

[Grim DeGrim]

As far as ganking goes, I've seen and heard frenchies do it, and whilst I'm not aware of any DAS / BOAT members beating up on newbies...

I ganked a BOAT Frigate with my Renomee yesterday in a 1v1.

I sank. (But only after it became a 1v2).

Point of the story: the open sea is dynamic and constantly changing. There are those looking for "fairish" fights. Yet no one is a fool. What starts as a 4v4 equal ships very quickly becomes a 4v8 with chasers and 3rd rates waiting on the OS....... This is the nature of the beast when fighting in enemy territory.

To Dutch credit, last weekend, they did amass a homeland defense fleet and drove us out. That's how it should work. Kudos

Each SIDE (Dutch/French) knows they've done their job when the night ends like this:

[Internetbaron]

If you would have open your eyes, you have seen my like on your post and when you look on timestamp then could reach how it possible.

 

nope i didnt see it

[JTW]

From where i'm sitting, it's all a matter of strategy. We've been fighting on 2 fronts for a long time which means we've gotten used to it.

We have several clans communicating in order to make sure we have the right amount of people defending each side. We have almost everyone on TS in order to keep it organized, we spend 2-3 hours every night in order to make sure we hold on to our territory, even though attacks only come 1-3 times a week which means we're bored out of our minds most of the time. Is it fun? Rarely. Is it necessary? Damn right it is. 
And that's not all, we spend several hours a day just figuring out where the attacks will come from, and then hoping we got our intel right when the defence timers start, and even then we have to accept we might not survive a full and well organized attack from either the Brits or the Swedish/French alliance. In our nation we deal with countless of people who don't speak the same languages, but we make it work because we have to.

Now neither Sweden or the French have had to deal with being forced on the defensive, and keeping all your forces split up in order to defend both ends of your territory, so last night when we took the risk of leaving our entire western side undefended and combined that with the amazing support of the Dutch, you had to experience an entirely new situation, and lost because you weren't ready for it. This isn't a "Broken Mechanic" but us finding a way to break through your defenses, and you not having an answer to it. 

There's several ways that you could have avoided this. You could have made deals with the Brits/Spanish just like we have to with the Pirates. You could have organized defenses where the entire french force weren't focused on 1 end. You could have limited your expansion into dutch territory if you weren't ready to defend your back towards Sweden. The Swedes could have accepted our peace treaty if they didn't think you could stand against us. There's several ways where both Sweden and France could have done SOMETHING, but you didn't think you had to after being on the offensive for so long. 

Now you're in a new situation where you have to work to keep what you have, and hope to reclaim your lost territory. Don't despair, it's very possible to survive against greater forces, or even make deals  with other factions to make sure you remain the greater force. But please try and accept this new situation instead of complaining about damn near everything. You lost, it happens, now get together and do whatever it takes to get it back. We suffered through boredom, not being able to communicate, overwhelming forces and etc, just while we were waiting for the moment where we could strike back, which we did in a way none of us had ever expected. Please don't try and diminish what we've done in order to make this possible, but instead try and find your own way to accomplish what we did.

[Lytse Pier]

Contre Amiral Grim, for the last few weeks every time I see a big French fleet sailing into our fleet I have the tendency to find me the "Brace" button to press it. I hope we can "ping-pong" ports for a long time to come against such fierce captains.

[Francis Tabernac]

To be honest, we sailed with about 7 smaller ships into a lone French 3rd rate yesterday evening just west of Pampatar and it took all our sailing skills to remain in his stern to not take its fulll broadsides and evade eachother doing it. The battleratings were about even and it was only until we finally cut off one of his masts and got his crew down to cripple his efficiency, we could start moving in and keep our hulls mostly under its guns.

 

Now one could say it is a 7 to 1, that it is unfair, but one could also say it was a fair fight without much battlerating difference. Whatever one would say, it remains questionable tactics to sail a 3rd rate unescorted when there are many enemy ships around. Honeypots attract bears. Always.

 

 

The number wasn't my point, my point was that this activity goes on by both sides all the time, and only one side has been name-calling about it, but yeah, it's OW and fights develop over time as Grim said. I'd have jumped that 3rd Rate too, who wouldn't? I suspect part of the difficulty is the belief that all members of each other nation are operating in concert all of the time. SLMFr raids are usually 4-8 ships at most, and if more than 4 then we split into multiple groups, and we (for the most part) only attack ships our size and larger. If you're sailing around in a Renommee/Surprise or larger, you're no longer allowed to cry newb and be safe from combat. This is a PvP server, afterall. That's not to say there aren't other French players out there targeting Cutters, and I don't answer for them. But then we all paint the entire opposing nation with the same broad brush when it happens.

 

And for the record (to whomever it was that said it, I don't recall the name): The first thing we did here was congratulate the Dutch and Danes on a well-coordinated offensive, not cry about broken mechanics, fighting on multiple fronts, or the cost of a decent Burgundy in Paris. I'm not even going to comment again on the absurdity of the statements that the French have never been on the defensive or fought not just on multiple fronts but in multiple theatres of war at once.

 

Honestly sir, what's disappointing about all of this is that we've (both French and Dutch) been able to stay civil on the boards throughout our back-and-forth up until now. I think the Dutch-French hostilities have really stood out on these forums because they're the only threads not full of salty tears and ungracious behavior, which I've been proud of being a part of. It's just a shame to see that break down now, suddenly. Ah well, in these modern times it seems impossible to maintain civility in war, n'est pas? I've said all I can about remaining gracious and entertaining; both sides are doing it now, so I'll give it a rest. I'll still share a beer with ya at the end of all this, though

[IronClaw]

Honestly sir, what's disappointing about all of this is that we've (both French and Dutch) been able to stay civil on the boards throughout our back-and-forth up until now. I think the Dutch-French hostilities have really stood out on these forums because they're the only threads not full of salty tears and ungracious behavior, which I've been proud of being a part of. It's just a shame to see that break down now, suddenly. 

 

Agreed.

 

6-8 hours for retake .... just fuck you.

 

Well, what Francis said.

[PIerrick de Badas]

I want to make it clear for dutch that are arguing about the situation on the france that semes for them to be the same that the situation on the dutch nation.

You have never been crush by 3 fleets on a side and 5 on an another side. You just face 1 or 2 fleet on ra and 1 or 2 fleets on france on same time.

Stop compare what you can't. 4 fleet v 8 fleet is uncommon.

After that, we are not complaning and will try to continue to fight

 

About our main strategy, advice are alwais welcome but don't count on us to share with you our plan.

[Tomms123]

Well the truth is that Sweden is really no more. Many players left yesterday as they dont see the point in fighting this anymore. We're outnumbered, we cant compete in anyway against the danes due to ships, numbers and ranks the danes got. We're back to the prewipe state, we're incapable of doing anything.

 

Also stop it all of you with your whining this is a game which involves war, if you want cuddly fucy stuff go play something which dont involve interaction with other humans and which dont have anything with fighting to do.

"Uhhhh these players do this, these players do that, these players are evil because they do that" Just stop it. IKEA and other people have been in the core of the Danish water since weeks every day/night to find pvps and disturb the actions they're doing in their missions but also in their actions to attack players. Danes have done the same. That is a great strategic way to wage war, break the supply line.

 

Cudos to Danes and Dutch, I might not see you for a long time as I have no interest in going back to 1 port as we were prewipe.

[Herminator]

Well the truth is that Sweden is really no more. Many players left yesterday as they dont see the point in fighting this anymore. We're outnumbered, we cant compete in anyway against the danes due to ships, numbers and ranks the danes got. We're back to the prewipe state, we're incapable of doing anything.

 

Also stop it all of you with your whining this is a game which involves war, if you want cuddly fucy stuff go play something which dont involve interaction with other humans and which dont have anything with fighting to do.

"Uhhhh these players do this, these players do that, these players are evil because they do that" Just stop it. IKEA and other people have been in the core of the Danish water since weeks every day/night to find pvps and disturb the actions they're doing in their missions but also in their actions to attack players. Danes have done the same. That is a great strategic way to wage war, break the supply line.

 

Cudos to Danes and Dutch, I might not see you for a long time as I have no interest in going back to 1 port as we were prewipe.

 

As I told you yesterday. The Danish-Norwegians have no interest in ruining the Swedish nation for the best of the community. But we will do it if the other option is to have an enemy so close to our capitol. And I belive you understand that.

 

Hopefully IKEA and HRE can become allies to the Danish-Norwegians instead of enemies, and we can finally unite on a strong Scandinavian unity.

 

yours truly

Herminator

 

Edited February 27, 2016 by Herminator

[IronClaw]

I want to make it clear for dutch that are arguing about the situation on the france that semes for them to be the same that the situation on the dutch nation.

You have never been crush by 3 fleets on a side and 5 on an another side. You just face 1 or 2 fleet on ra and 1 or 2 fleets on france on same time.

Stop compare what you can't. 4 fleet v 8 fleet is uncommon.

After that, we are not complaning and will try to continue to fight

 

However, at that time, we didn't have 4 fleets to defend with. We had 2. So we got hit by double the amount of fleets, just like you. Pretty much the same thing, with the same result. So we retreated, regrouped, rethought, licked our wounds (lost a whiner or two in the process) and fought back. You want advice for a strategy? There ya go

 

And within a few weeks, I'm sure the roles will be reversed again. The French have proved tough adversaries, so I'm sure you'll bounce back. There will be glorious nights for the French, there will be glorious nights for the Dutch. And that's what this game is about, isn't it?

Edited February 27, 2016 by IronClaw

[Hethwill]

What really happened was that a nation that was at war with another got suddenly and deliberately attacked in a second front. They weren't ready for it. I am pretty sure the danes did not have 25 ships in every port at the same time. I am sure the french could've amassed 25 players to face them at the very first or second attack.

 

Elastic defense has won more battles and wars in History that rigid headstrong attitudes.

[Manta Scorpion]

 (lost a whiner or two in the process)

 

 

that might help you     just let it go

Edited February 27, 2016 by Manta Scorpion

[IronClaw]

 

that might help you     just let it go

 

We already let him go

Now I have that song stuck in my head. Damn you

[Francis Tabernac]

A quick note on the topic of multiple fronts: bear in mind that the greater issue is one of distance. The entire Danish nation comprised, more-or-less, an area roughly equal to just the French-Dutch front. It goes a long way toward making the "oh no, multiple fronts!!1" argument somewhat moot on the larger stage. Just some food for thought.

[Noif]

The Danish-Norwegians have no interest in ruining the Swedish nation for the best of the community. But we will do it if the other option is to have an enemy so close to our capitol. And I belive you understand that.

 

 

But hey... you already did it... ruin the nation! GG

 

enemy so close our capitol? What are you talking about? Have you ever Sweden took foot step to your harbors example: The settlement? Spanish town? No. Fort Baai is furthest that we can reach on this playerbase.

[hanserrr]

But hey... you already did it... ruin the nation! GG

 

enemy so close our capitol? What are you talking about? Have you ever Sweden took foot step to your harbors example: The settlement? Spanish town? No. Fort Baai is furthest that we can reach on this playerbase.

 

Yeah, many times