pvp2 BRITAIN CIVIL WAR

[Loco Bandito]

You have no idea what war and destruction looks like.

This is just an example of a broken faction with numbers showing to the devs how broken the game is.

Good job.

The clans in GB refuse to work with CKA and the game is broken. Wah wah.

When we stomped the US they were posting oh devs the game is broken and pirates are OP.

When US and Brit had Pirates down to one port none of you cared about server health.

Get your shit together and stop making excuses. Pirates never made excuses when we were camped or came to the forums crying the game is broken.

[Loco Bandito]

Tell me the clans you see in the PB 95% of the time it's BLACK unless it's the Bahamas and you will see some new smaller clans.

Edited September 27, 2016 by Loco Bandito

[Loco Bandito]

Oh vast majority is BLACK. But again, last night it was WHORE, ZILCH, BLACK, and some others.

Whore has one member. The zilch guy was in a pavel and couldn't enter the port. Dude that's 2 people. We had like 15-18 on in clan. 12 at Pedro and 8 at morant and 2 in there were not Black. So the numbers you speak are not that much to warrant a cry.

You know you could have held morant if 3 didn't escape. The numbers were even at one stage and then 2 more of our guys joined and and 3 escaped. 8v7 it was. Turned to 8v4 fast.

Felt sorry for the guys who stuck it out. They fought gallantly.

[Teutonic]

Mate we have 4 nations pulling flags on us. US, Brit, Dutch, French. Heck even the Swedes did. It's not our fault we got our shit together. You do realize you could easily push us back its one clan doing all this. I used to care about server health but with all the bitching and backstabbing who cares anymore.

The only nation not to fuck up our alliance has been the Danes. Yet you guys have multiple alliances, and vote for carebear alliances instead of war. If Pirates weren't warring hardly any ports would change hands. Yet us Pirates can't ally so we are at a disadvantage.

I tell you this the new people who re-roll from other nations who are coming to Pirate for pvp because the nationals have lack of it. So yeah maybe the devs dropped the ball with the whole alliance system.

I took that pretty much after port morant. Had lunch came back sailed there and sailed past a few Brits and they didn't tag me.

 

To be fair, If I could, I would pull flags on every nation and fight them all. Realistically though that isn't possible, and I have to keep in mind my clan members and what we can fight. Sweden would fight the Brits and the Pirates just need to get a ground of ports from Danes first .

[Mrdoomed]

How comes on both servers when factions with colorful flags take over the map the game is working fine and these threads never take place?

The same thing happened on the other server. When colorful flags ruled the map game was a o k thdn pirates took over and game was broke now pirates are crushed to nothing and colorful flags conquer at will and once again game is ok.

Just something ive noticed since launch. And this is from someone who dont careeho owns what, i fact i would rather the port be color8so a ship came out i can pirate.

[Jean Ribault]

I have to agree with Hodo on this one...Loco Bandito you are full of it.  Tell me I am wrong here on this: a short while ago after pirates decided to wipe out the Dutch (and BTW using the same lame excuse you just did saying waah waah "they betrayed us".  Yeah sure whatever), after which France took a single pirate port (Carupano?  or Galdonas?  can't remember which), and then pirates all said in unison as if in waiting for this: how dare you?  Then wiped France back to 1 or 2 ports again.  You keep trying to justify these wipes for some reason.  Just be out with it man, and tell the truth.  And in the end, anyway, if you don't care about server health fine, maybe none of us should, but then the devs must either #1: fix this game so that nations cannot get wiped, or else #2: set up a regular port reset like is coming now, once every month or two.  Aint no other choices, or this game willlllllll nottttttttttt lasssssst, period.

[Jean Ribault]

How comes on both servers when factions with colorful flags take over the map the game is working fine and these threads never take place?

The same thing happened on the other server. When colorful flags ruled the map game was a o k thdn pirates took over and game was broke now pirates are crushed to nothing and colorful flags conquer at will and once again game is ok.

Just something ive noticed since launch. And this is from someone who dont careeho owns what, i fact i would rather the port be color8so a ship came out i can pirate.

 

 

If you show me a genuine map of the real Caribean in 1800 with most port cities owned by pirates and the empire nations in as a minority, then someone can answer your question.

[Sir Texas Sir]

Very true.

 

CKA+AGW+RED+STERN = about 20-30 players during primetime.

BLACK= about 15-20

WHORE= about 10-15

ZILCH= 5-10

HYDRA=3-5

 

Even if you go with the lowest end of the numbers you have 33 at a minimum, and possibly over 50 at max.

 

I doubt the US and GB have 50 active pvpers total. 

 

Man those numbers are way off like almost double for many of those groups.  ZILCH is mainly in Bahamas and North Cuba though, but they do show up at our battles some times.   As you said active PvPers.....you still have the second largest population along wiht US having the largest.  It's not a problem you have so few PvPer's and the rest are just a bunch of Care Bears.

 

There was a moderator on the other day in game who confirmed that US has the largest active players base. Pixel ports does not equal largest player pop. We are just organized and that's it. With new game mechanics and no more flags we should be able to get all our guys in one spot.

 

Yep they came in BRIT chat I heard and made it very clear US and Brits still has the largest ACTIVE POPULATIONS.

 

Anyway, all I see is that the US cannot field more than 2 teams of 10-15...even with all the "carebear newbs" hanging out at Cton and crying every time they see a rat gank fleet of 3-5. (which btw many times these 'newbs' are spies trying to lure us into the rat gank fleets.)

The Pirates however, are capable of fielding 20 in a PB against the Brits in Jamaica, and 20 against the US in the Bahamas, and 5-10 against the French and/or Dutch, and at least 4-6 that I've seen way out at Kidd's Harbor. So if we count this up, that's 60ish rats vs the 30ish US plus the random carebear newbs afraid to leave cton. And considering the French and Dutch have numbers in the morning more often than at night, it is obvious who has the largest active population during primetime.

 

I'm kinda confused here unless it's just been the last few nights in Bahamas when exactly was the last time you been in a port battle Blackthorne to talk about numbers?   Show some screen shots or stop going off what others tell you cause most the time we been way out number in the Bahamas even the times we won.

 

I know for a fact I have done a lot of jumping out of one battle to jump over into another battle. Most those battle were not at the exact same times either that is why we where able to field even close to those numbers at each one.  A lot of hopping around and sailing fast from one port to another.  Sending lower level guys to defend ports while the others are in the bigger fights.  You want to know what that is called?   TEAM WORK.

 

To be fair, If I could, I would pull flags on every nation and fight them all. Realistically though that isn't possible, and I have to keep in mind my clan members and what we can fight. Sweden would fight the Brits and the Pirates just need to get a ground of ports from Danes first .

 

Would be nice if there was a port close we could just give you so you can say...."HAY EVEN WE GOT MORE PORTS THAN THE BRITS."

[Hethwill]

Maybe if everyone went GG and enjoyed the hobby in a friendly way there wouldn't be any issues. But when ghetto banter takes over, it becomes obvious there is something wrong and it is not about more or less color or more or less black.  It is the vocalization of violent a domination in the map blah blah blah...we da best !

 

War...war never changes.

[Sir Texas Sir]

How comes on both servers when factions with colorful flags take over the map the game is working fine and these threads never take place?

The same thing happened on the other server. When colorful flags ruled the map game was a o k thdn pirates took over and game was broke now pirates are crushed to nothing and colorful flags conquer at will and once again game is ok.

Just something ive noticed since launch. And this is from someone who dont careeho owns what, i fact i would rather the port be color8so a ship came out i can pirate.

To be honest if the US would of just left our lower bahamas alone and they wouldn't done this Alliance with GB and they just both fought each other.  We would prob leave there ports alone and just screen out side there battles.  We did this the other morning for Danes and it was a blast.  Caught a bunch of brits and think we even got the flag before it got there.  OW PvP to me is way funner than these empty battles with mortar brigs (and yes I have taken many ports this way myself) and all the QQing.....

 

 

So I'm really hopeing this new patch gets here and hope it's this Thursday cause the wipe and new stuff looks like a lot of fun.  We see AGRO we just go over there and have fun and pester the Nationals.   I mean lets be honest does US really have to own half the map every time?   Maybe maybe even french will get some more ports back and the other small natiosn will get some numbers back....though I still think poor Spain is just screwed.

 

 

BUT UNTIL PIRATE MECHANICS come out folks need to just get over with it and see us as a Nation until than cause that is what we are for the most part other than a few players that don't get involved in the politics.

[Mrdoomed]

If you show me a genuine map of the real Caribean in 1800 with most port cities owned by pirates and the empire nations in as a minority, then someone can answer your question.

Well this is or was supposed to be a sandbox so history is irrelevant even though I agree pirates shouldn't concern themselves with port captures. Hell ive got nobody left to raid cuz they dont have ports.

My point is people complaining about a game mechanic only when one faction is winning and being ok with it if they are the ones winning. It just starts the debate from a hypocritical pov.

Ill never take the " what happened in history " take as a valid reason purely because this is a sandbox game and not a historical simulator. Otherwise there would be only 1 conni and England and france would almost always be a t war and the US and britian should be near or at war etc. We cant let history dictate game mechanics. At least in my op.

To be honest if the US would of just left our lower bahamas alone and they wouldn't done this Alliance with GB and they just both fought each other. We would prob leave there ports alone and just screen out side there battles. We did this the other morning for Danes and it was a blast. Caught a bunch of brits and think we even got the flag before it got there. OW PvP to me is way funner than these empty battles with mortar brigs (and yes I have taken many ports this way myself) and all the QQing.....

So I'm really hopeing this new patch gets here and hope it's this Thursday cause the wipe and new stuff looks like a lot of fun. We see AGRO we just go over there and have fun and pester the Nationals. I mean lets be honest does US really have to own half the map every time? Maybe maybe even french will get some more ports back and the other small natiosn will get some numbers back....though I still think poor Spain is just screwed.

BUT UNTIL PIRATE MECHANICS come out folks need to just get over with it and see us as a Nation until than cause that is what we are for the most part other than a few players that don't get involved in the politics.

I agree.

Edited September 27, 2016 by Mrdoomed

[Cirdann]

I have to agree with Hodo on this one...Loco Bandito you are full of it.  Tell me I am wrong here on this: a short while ago after pirates decided to wipe out the Dutch (and BTW using the same lame excuse you just did saying waah waah "they betrayed us".  Yeah sure whatever), after which France took a single pirate port (Carupano?  or Galdonas?  can't remember which), and then pirates all said in unison as if in waiting for this: how dare you?  Then wiped France back to 1 or 2 ports again.  You keep trying to justify these wipes for some reason.  Just be out with it man, and tell the truth.  And in the end, anyway, if you don't care about server health fine, maybe none of us should, but then the devs must either #1: fix this game so that nations cannot get wiped, or else #2: set up a regular port reset like is coming now, once every month or two.  Aint no other choices, or this game willlllllll nottttttttttt lasssssst, period.

Your Point #1 Guess you haven't read up on the latest Port battle system. Nation Capitals can be capturable.

Your Point #2 again read up on latest dev patches, ports will reset when total victory is achieved.

To further discuss your wipe out theory, I wasn't playing the game at the time but the nations had the Pirates down to just Mort, but yet the game wasn't broken. Pirates do it and we're all hackers or "Magic Pirates". Do you know why this game will fail? No end game content. The Event was and is a joke.

My fix to the event is simple, a fleet of merchant ships Ned to be escorted from Point A to point B. The nation that escorts the fleet safely to its destination wins all the reward. If the attackers sink all the cargo ships. They win all the rewards. Then the Devi achieve the big PVP battle they were seeking in the conception of this event.

I'm on PvP2 and I will see all errr some of you in PB's. o7

[squedage]

You have no idea what war and destruction looks like. 

 

This is just an example of a broken faction with numbers showing to the devs how broken the game is.  

 

Good job.

 

first off yes i do and fyi i have been playing this game for over a year. i have seen US get pushed back to a couple of ports, war with brits/ retaking of the gulf to the push all the way to south america i have seen were over half the map was us and then rats so yes i know what it looks like

 

what i think is you should THINK before you start typing stupid stuff

Edited September 27, 2016 by squedage

[Mrdoomed]

It has been stated time and time again, the US had 3 ships of that class, with 4 more planned.

But they didnt all have same name. That was my point and England and spain didnt sail them. Simply saying this is not a reenactment of history game its a free flowing sandbox.

[Loco Bandito]

I have to agree with Hodo on this one...Loco Bandito you are full of it. Tell me I am wrong here on this: a short while ago after pirates decided to wipe out the Dutch (and BTW using the same lame excuse you just did saying waah waah "they betrayed us". Yeah sure whatever), after which France took a single pirate port (Carupano? or Galdonas? can't remember which), and then pirates all said in unison as if in waiting for this: how dare you? Then wiped France back to 1 or 2 ports again. You keep trying to justify these wipes for some reason. Just be out with it man, and tell the truth. And in the end, anyway, if you don't care about server health fine, maybe none of us should, but then the devs must either #1: fix this game so that nations cannot get wiped, or else #2: set up a regular port reset like is coming now, once every month or two. Aint no other choices, or this game willlllllll nottttttttttt lasssssst, period.

And did we not give you and Dutch each 10+ ports uncontested. You fail to mention that. Plus we never hit your ports since then until you all started pulling flags on us. So we thought it you wanted war and it's why we started hitting you guys again.

This is a game of war so if someone does something as an act of war or breaks an alliance the. What are we suppose to do nothing. This is a sandbox and we have the tools to deal repercussions. Those nations did things as an act of war. We were peaceful with them. Dutch tagged our flag carrier when hitting US. French hit our ports when we weren't warring with them. So you except us to throw flowers at them for these tactics?

We will give Britain 5 ports as per the small nation agreement.

Edited September 27, 2016 by Loco Bandito

[Powderhorn]

OK, so, if there are race issues going on in chat, the appropriate way to handle them is to right click their name when they say something of that nature, and click report.  Reports are gone through (roughly) weekly.  The appropriate place to handle them is not here on the forums.

 

While National News is less heavily moderated than other sections of the forum, there IS still moderation that happens.  If you can't say your piece without making accusations as to the quality of a player's character, it's best not to say it at all.  If you need to repost your National News posts, please keep them roughly in line with what you might see in an 18th Century Newspaper, and without personal accusations.

[Jean Ribault]

And did we not give you and Dutch each 10+ ports uncontested. You fail to mention that. Plus we never hit your ports since then until you all started pulling flags on us. So we thought it you wanted war and it's why we started hitting you guys again.

...

 

 

Good point, I concede you are correct about that.

[Loco Bandito]

For numbers sake outnumbered again.

 

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198312068051/screenshot/253715926045218125

 

Was fun getting gang graped.

[Koltes]

So, Koltes, explain to me this is good for server health HOW (while you're bragging about this map) ?

 

I guess now all you pirate alts from Brit faction can switch back to Brit now that you've proven how much bigger you are than Cordova?  Made your point?  Feel good now?  Magnified the deficiencies of the game enough yet?  Or am I wrong and was the Caribean all pirate with a couple surrounding minor nations in this age?  This whole thread has been simply about egos, chest beating, looks like nothing has changed by having your big map proudly posted.  Oh, don't forget to smile at the camera when you shake hands with the governor.

 

Explanation requested...

Explanation given...

 

About GB getting less numbers nowadays - yes. But they are not leaving the server as you are fast to accuse us again. They simply go to other nations (including pirates- no more no less). They are simply fed up with CKA accusations on nation chat and BS defensive response lines that you can track by dates:

 

- 3 weeks ago:

"We have done nothing wrong! We backstabbed no one! Britain you must unite vs pirate scum! They just looking for excuses to attack us"

 

 

- 2 weeks ago: Then the truth start coming out and there were not just pirates talking about it. Brits on nation chat too, so CKA has changed the tone, but still in denial of their doing.

"This is all bullshit pirate propaganda! Don't fall for it! Nation don't you worry! We are loosing battles, but winning the war! We must unite and defend our nation"

(Well you can lose one battle and win the war, but you cant lose fkn 100 of them and still hope to win. Who were you fooling? Your newbs?..)

 

 

- 1 week ago: When even former CKA members admitted that it wasn't even Cordova's fault alone. It was the entire clans vote to turn on pirates

"Nation be strong! We are loosing, but still have quite a few ports! The almighty port wipe is coming! Be strong Britain! Soon! Very soon we will get our ports back and the pirate scum get nerfed! Well deserved!!!"

 

 

Present time: The truth has come out. The war is lost. Britain is down to one port. But the nation chat changed a little:

"UK, TWP, TEA clans this is all your fault! You kept nation separated! You all pirates alts! No one is holding you here! Go switch to your friends pirates! The port wipe is coming!!! Stay strong Britain!"

 

 

WTF? Are you all member of the same mental hospital and were given access to computers for behaving well last week?! Sorry it certainly feels like it.

 

You keep telling how we pirates destroy the server.. I ask you how? Affecting the newbs so they leave the server? By doing what? Blockading? Seal clubbing? This is pvp server and they knew that they WILL be ganged here so don't patronage grownups.

I tell you what they DIDN'T expect. They didnt expect pirates paying them out and helping them. Yes those very pirates that seal clubbed them. They didnt expect to speak up their mind and all of a sudden accused of being a spy. They didnt expect nation chat full of bullshit, swearing and whining.

 

Instead of taking the responsibility you all CKA members let this matter to escalate and affect EVERYONE in Great Britain nation. Remember your clan has voted for this, voted to turn on pirates, but repeatedly you keep saying that you have done nothing wrong. You cant fuck with people, spit into their faces and walk away from it like nothing happened. If you didnt like the deal with pirates, all it takes is to show up on TS or say in global: "Pirates that's it. We had a deal going, but we want to break it and walk our own way from now on". Fine. Whatever. But the way you have done it was very low. They way you keep defending your "pride" is even worse.

 

And now you are accusing the clans like UK that actually DONE something for the new players in GB. They went to us and said, look we appreciate your war with CKA, but those newbs have nothing to do with it. CKA wont admit anything, bashing newbs not gonna help. Please let them be, Let them learn the game, let them pass. And we said.. ok fair enough.

 

But God, seeing this is too much for CKA is it?

 

Jean,

Make no mistake. Our war (as stated numerous times before and which you all successfully managing to ignore) is against CKA not GB. You don't see other GB clans bitching about this apart from CKA and their supporters. Why?

Maybe because they are on good terms with pirates? Like TWP, TEA and UK clans? Those clans that went off to pirates and made a deal. Those are clans that work with newbs and are helping them with the game. We are not touching them. But keeping up with the facts is a hard work.

How did CKA helped the newbs apart from trolling the nation chat?

 

If people leaving GB then it is CKA fault for not being a good leaders of the nation. If people are leaving the server because of this war its a fault of people who started it and people who got no will to end it.

In all counts CKA's fault.

 

Cordova and CKA had a chance to end this war long time ago. They were given all the oportunity to negotiate their way out of this. If they cared so much about the server population they would have dealt with the problem on first opportunity. Instead they chosen not to despite multiple attempts from pirates.

 

Now we have ended the war. On our terms. CKA members will be hunted and sunk on sight until they rage-quit or switch clan/nation. Newbs are welcome to join non-CKA supporters and live heir lives.

 

Only CKA keep bitching about it, but you know what? Their wailing gets quieter and quieter

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you show me a genuine map of the real Caribean in 1800 with most port cities owned by pirates and the empire nations in as a minority, then someone can answer your question.

 

If you want to play genuine map or a close representation of it there is PVE server for that. You will be happy every time you press M

 

 

 

 

Edit:

Removed response to hidden post. - Moderator Team 

[Jean Ribault]

Koltes,

 

You appear to be filled with rage, man.  Not sure where it all came from, but geez please take a breath...inhale, hold, exhale.  Have a drink or something.  Relax, seriously, don't forget this is merely a video game and we are just testing an alpha version.

 

BTW, I have no pirate or GB alts so I have no idea what transpires in your private or nation chats.  You can quote what those guys say all day but it's hearsay to me.  If it's global take a screenshot, I for one haven't seen that stuff.

 

Your implication that pirates should be able to own the whole map because this is not a historical game and that I should therefore go play pve instead, is misguided at best.  Everyone playing this game knows this isn't an exact replica of that age, but also knows that pirates aren't supposed to be a nation, it's been said and agreed upon dozens of times over many many discussions here.  Because you are wrong about it doesn't mean that I or others need to go play pve.

 

BTW, this thread has probably run its course IMO, since this civil war appears to be over.  Time to move on to more pleasant times, a port reset, and some new game dynamics.  Or just wipe the whole map if you have time, feed that rage.

[squedage]

Sorry but when I see someone say, that what is in game what total destruction looks like.  No, it looks like a digital map that someone took over.  

 

So if you all want to be fucktarded over it fine.   But if you want to try and paint me as the bad guy, I will be the bad guy.  

 

 

You are some stupid boot arent you taking a comment about a game and turning it into a pissing match about who has seen war or not. Any self respecting vet would never go to the lvl or retard that you went to. And yes it was total destruction of all the ports/nation that the brits had so if you cant even take what is put into context and start running your mouth like a dumb boot then so be it.

[Blkmgc]

Sorry but when I see someone say, that what is in game what total destruction looks like.  No, it looks like a digital map that someone took over.  

 

So if you all want to be fucktarded over it fine.   But if you want to try and paint me as the bad guy, I will be the bad guy.  

 

 Now lets get down to the base the issue.

 

You, BLACK clan, wanted PVP, the US quit giving you PVP when the CKA and AGW decided we didn't want to obliterate the US down to 1 port.   We felt it would be bad for the game and the community.  You all didn't give a damn so you continued your fight with the US. 

 

CKA went and took a port that was inside of our agreed upon line.   You had already grown tired of fighting an opponent who didn't fight back.   So you (BLACK) decided to strike at the next biggest kid on the block, GB.  

 

You came up with a trumped up BS excuse and used British alt accounts in the nation chat to spread those lies against Cordova and CKA.   You sweet talked a very gullible, self-proclaimed diplomat and convinced him that CKA was at fault.   When this individual had acted completely on his own with out the support of the clan leadership or really their knowledge until after it was done.  

 

Then this person attempted to leave the clan, and take several people with him and most likely had plans to empty the clan storage banks when he left.  The clan acted first and removed him before he could be a threat.   This lead to this and another post filled with whine.... more whine than a French vineyard. 

 

Now you continue to change the story and come up with more bullshit reasons than Napoléon and his reasons for his defeat at Waterloo.   You yet again decide to change the focus and turn on me.  Which I find quite frankly funny as hell.   It shows how little you have to stand on.    

 

You still say you have fewer people fighting than GB and US.  Well again you post pictures of the one off fights where you are actually out numbered.  But yet to you don't post pictures of the 3 out of 4 times you not only have the US and GB out numbered but also have active attacks on other nations as well.   

 

And now that they US is fighting you again you have turned your attention back to them.  

 

I think I have summed up the events well enough.  

 

I came here not to be that guy, but you want me to air out your dirty laundry I will.   You enjoy using alts to spread rumors and lies about people.  You, Loco, have admitted you have no life and spend over 12 hours a day in this game.  Which leads me to believe this game IS your life.   Which like this game means you are incomplete and lacking.  

 

I will give you all credit, you teach your members well how to game the game, and exploit the hell out of the games flaws and mechanics.  Good on you for that.   It makes those who are legit players a challenge to fight.   When they actually fight and don't run.   But to your discredit, you claim to want PvP.  Then place the port timers to a time that ONLY a person with no life or job can even think about going after.  You don't want PvP, you want to win, and win at all costs. 

Gee that's funny. I don't even recall you being there at the time.Never saw you on teamspeak , or in game or group. Is this the story as it was told to you, or did you surmise all of this?

[Jima]

I was there and Hodo has summed it up pretty accurately.

[Cpt Blackthorne]

Someone called for a pic of numbers? This was just one PvP battle after apparently a full PB at Morant? All I know is that the Brits and US were outnumbered in both PvP battles after that PB. Plus the ZILCH and other rat clans making a ruckus in the Bahamas for the US at the same time.

All I know is it was great fun in the PvP....sinking....yet again. heh. I should steal that players name SirSinksAlot

[Blkmgc]

I was there and Hodo has summed it up pretty accurately.

Well, not exactly. The Pirates asked for Corientes until they took Conttoy as a jumping off point and then GB could take it after. Then Corientes was taken ,while the pirates were in another battle mind you so they couldn't do anything about, meanwhile a back door deal was being made with the US unbeknown to any of us. Herein lies the backstabbing.

 

Irrelevant now really though, it is what it is. I've learned that its better to be a little more aware of whats going on around you , and not let someone with an ego you need to carry in a wheelbarrow make decisions for me. A good learning experience. At least we come away a little smarter.