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USS Raleigh (1776) USS Hancock (1776) USS Virginia (1776) USS Confederacy (1778) USS Constellation (1797) & USS Congress (1799) USS Boston (1799) USS Philadelphia (1799) USS Essex (1799) USS Chesapeake (1799) USS New York (1800)

I have tried to be selective in what ship plans I post here, as there are many smaller vessels that are meant for shallow water work only, perhaps viable for shallow water port battles or smugglers? Brigs: USS Argus (1803) USS Oneida (1808) USS Syren (1803) Unnamed Brig Design (1815) Unnamed Brig Design (1815) USS Spark (1815) Cutters: USS Lee (1776) Galleys: USS Washington (1776) Unnamed Galley (1799) Gunboats: Gunboat Design #3(1804) Gunboat Design #4 (1804) Unnamed Gunboat (1804) Gundalows: USS Philadelphia (1776) Miscellaneous Vessels: Unnamed Galley-Gunboat (1803) Unnamed Trabacolo (1805?) Unnamed Sloop-Galley (1804) Unnamed Galley-Gunboat (1803) Unnamed Galley-Gunboat (1806) Unnamed Galley-Gunboat (1806) Unnamed Blockship (Year Unknown) Blockship Proposal (1806) USS Tchifonta (1815) Schooners: Schooner Design (pre-War 1812) Sloops of War: USS Wasp (1806) USS Saratoga (1814)

There are several things I must apologize for in advance: 1. The title is slightly misleading. The scans I will be posting are taken from the book "History of the American Sailing Navy" by Howard Chapelle. The scans are of vessels proposed and/or built for both the Continental Navy and the American Navy up to the year 1820. There are further sketches, sail plans, draughts, etc beyond that cut-off, should any request them, however, for the sake of avoiding arguments, I have not included them. 2. I was heartily disappointed to discover that the larger plans are on facing pages within the book, thus forcing me to remove the cover of the book and do the best I can to provide the most accurate scans possible; being an amateur with book binding, no easy feat. All of the plans on facing pages are tucked into the book spine itself and as such, the plans are slightly off in the middle and may require some guesswork. 3. Lastly, I realize some of the plans posted are more than likely already on the forums. I skipped some plans because I knew for a fact they were already on the forums, but I may have missed a few during the scan & upload process. Don't flame this poor lubber too hard. The plans I will be uploading range from small vessels such as schooners, galleys, brigs and sloops, up to frigates ranging from 28 to 44 guns, and finally plans for the American ships of the line up to, but not including the USS Pennsylvania, as the date on the plans for that particular ship are after 1820. Again, any particular requests for plans can be mailed to me via the forum messaging system. Fishnuts

She is indeed quite nice. I'd almost want her instead of the Yacht as a personal vessel

So far all I've been able to find is that her timbers came from Courland (Kurlandia), and the Kazan Province (Tatarstan). Also this excerpt: "As was customary with all European First Rates during the early years of the eighteenth century, she was primarily a prestige ship and saw limited active service."Link The only theory I could put forward is that the cost of maintaining her could be better spent funding other endeavours, however, I have a feeling said theory would be shot down, as she was in service during the reign of Catherine the Great.

I could see her being used as convoy escort for sure. 4th rates of this size were relegated to duties like that by the latter stages of the 1800's, no?

That's like seeing Sid Meier's Pirates! on console. There's hardly a copy of that console specific game to be found now, but you can find the pc version in stores still, or on steam.

The only way I could see Naval Action working for any console is as an arcade style game (Sea Trials anyone?)

Yes, the important ships are getting priority, I won't deny that, but eventually, people are going to want variety. They're going to get tired of looking at the same old lines, the same old stern, the same old number of guns, and they're going to want something different. The way you go on, it'll be like PotCO where there's a small number of set ships in the game rather than a game like PotBS where there were easily 50 or more designs in the game. I'd rather variety and rarity over ships that are already well known and legendary. Ships that have plans that are easy to obtain should, imo, be saved for later, while ships whose plans were rather more difficult to obtain should get some attention.

That's a beautiful painting though!

That's a rather negative way of thinking. Pirates of the Burning Sea had a similar set up to what Magnum & NorthernWolves are discussing. Multiple ranks within a clan. Clan owner has overall rights to everything, with sub-officers under him. Only a fool would stick around in a clan that fits the description you're posing. I sincerely doubt this is what Magnum was alluding to.

Oh so ships have to be famous and influential to be in this game? Please, stop while you're ahead, it's almost laughable now. smh This game is still in early early development. Hopefully a few years down the road (provided we get that far), there will be enough love to go around and we don't have to deal with only a decade's worth of shipbuilding in this game (that would be incredibly boring).

I take it you haven't done your research on some of the American ships of the line then. It surely sounds like you haven't. There were several that fit your specifications (as if we were going by those specifications LOL). I'm down for choosing other ships of the line over the Americans, so long as they're from nations OTHER than the ones already represented (ruling out Britain, France, Spain, and Russia). Cheers!

On what grounds?

Sella you find some awesome ships, but they keep straying outside of the 1830 hardcap. These ships after 1830 need to be in the history section, not the shipyard.

That would be like saying the USS Constitution (due to her construction) shouldn't be in the game. And yet I've seen no such thing said by the admins, only by the moderators, what gives? If the timeline for presenting designs is 1600-1830, what's to prevent ships from the 130 years missing in your timeline from being in the game? I can understand for the sake of balance, but doubtless the timelines for various ship designs overlapped. L'Invention, despite being a revolutionary design, was still chased down and captured by a pair of frigates based off of designs dating 1778 and 1794. I'm not saying we should introduce something like the ships of the line created at a later time with their shell guns, but this ship was definitely within the timeline, she was, how do they say it, "before her time".

United States had 15 ships of the line in total, either planned or built. The USS Pennsylvania was the last. I'm talking about all the others.

Description Scale: 1:48. A plan showing the inboard detail for 'Elphinstone' (1825), a 114ft three-masted merchant ship. Mould Loft Number 60. The Lloyd's Survey Reports (LON64 and LON1505) do not record the shipbuilder or the dimensions, but the tonnage is the same. Moreover, LON64 states that she was fitted with iron lodging and hanging knees, and had 'diagonal ceiling from clamps of lower deck beams down to the thickstuff of bilges'. Description Scale: 1:48. A plan showing the body plan, sheer lines with inboard detail, and longitudinal half-breadth for Walker (circa 1780), a three-masted 110ft merchantman built at Blackwall. The dimensions on the plan are described "as for frigates". Pencil annotation on reverse suggests she was built about 1776, and converted to a Sloop, however no provenance for this.

Excellent Surcouf! Love it! On another note, I've been doing some research into American ships of the line other than the USS Pennsylvania, and I've come very close to obtaining plans for certain ships such as the America, Ohio, Franklin, and Columbus (best progress so far is written dimensions and sketched draughts). I've given what progress I've made to other members of the forums here, and we're putting our heads together to see what we can accomplish to get the American ships of the line into the playing field. Note: While American ships of the line never actually engaged in combat with another ship, they did play an integral part in the historic "show of force". Several such ships did serve American interests in the Pacific, as well as intimidation of the Barbary Pirates in the Mediterranean. Hope that's enough evidence that there should be at least one American two decker in the game.

Awesome find!

As I stated I have searched, but have seen no plans concerning the Pandora. Try reading my post thoroughly.

Sorry to bump an old thread, found some more detailed plans on the Confederacy: http://www.dlumberyard.com/Plans/confederacy.pdf

I know there's a pdf file on this ship somewhere, but I kept getting a malware warning, so I might as well post what I've found directly. I've also seen the Pandora suggested here, but with no plans to speak of. Great Britain Name: HMS Pandora Ordered: 11 February 1778 Builder: Adams & Barnard, Grove Street shipyard, Deptford Laid down: 2 March 1778 Launched: 17 May 1779 Completed: 3 July 1779 at Deptford Dockyard Commissioned: May 1779 Fate: Wrecked on 28 August 1791 in theTorres Strait. Class & type: 24-gun Porcupine-class sixth-rate post ship Tons burthen: 524 (bm) Length: 114 ft 7 in (34.93 m) (overall) 94 ft 9.5 in (28.893 m) (keel) Beam: 32 ft 3 in (9.83 m) Draught: 7 ft 4 in (2.24 m) 11 ft (3.4 m) Depth of hold: 10 ft 3 in (3.12 m) Sail plan: Full-rigged ship Complement: 160 (140 by 1815) Armament: As built: Upper deck: 22 × 9pdrs Quarterdeck: 2 × 6pdrs By 1815: Upper deck: 14 × 9pdrs + 8 × 18pdrcarronades Quarterdeck: 2 × 6pdrs I obtained the images from a website I've been visiting lately, in particular a thread of someone building the Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/844-hms-pandora-1779-cad-build-log/ http://modelshipworld.com/uploads/monthly_03_2013/post-1575-0-89847900-1362193029.jpg I'd like to post the rest of the pics, but they were all done to scale for the model, the above picture was before scaling. Cheers Edit: Image was not showing, link'd instead.

Painting purportedly of the L'Invention:

Revenue Cutter Seems to be a contradiction as to whether this is the James Madison(1807) Revenue Cutter, or a similar design. Regardless, here's the plans as I didn't see this anywhere else: