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  1. French Corvettes had three masts, most carried about 16 to 24 guns, sometimes more (up to 32). The British Navy did not adopt the term until the 1830s, to describe a small sixth-rate vessel somewhat larger than a sloop, sometimes with only 2 masts. La Créole 1827, 24 guns Plan and monograph : http://ancre.fr/en/monographies-en/61-monographie-de-la-creole-corvette-1823.html?search_query=corvette&results=6 Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_corvette_Créole_(1829)
  2. Hello here is La Tuite 1787 (source is all-model.com) in the drawings it is a 14 gun corvette but according to wikipedia is was renamed to Recherche and reclassed as a 12 gun frigate. In game it could be a high speed light ship (has three mast sails) with decent maneuverability and perhaps the ability to carry decent armament. I also have started to model this ship for fun (mostly because it is so small and good practice for ship modelling). I think someone with experience could model this ship easily but i guess there is alot to puting a ship into the game other then modelling (like the bow coming off moving parts like sails and rudder etc.). So here is what it might look like
  3. A very special ship. Can hardly find any info on it though. How cool would it be to have oars on gunboats in game.
  4. Looks like French 3rd rate from 1777.
  5. 'Ocean' Océan was a 118-gun first-rate three-decker ship of the line of the French Navy, lead ship of her class. She was funded by a don des vaisseaux donation from the Estates of Bourgogne. She was ordered as États de Bourgogne and was launched at Brest in 1790. Like many French ships of the line during the Revolutionary period, she was renamed several times, becoming Côte d'Or in January 1793, Montagne in October 1793, Peuple on 17 May 1795, and a matter of weeks later again renamed, to Océan. She served until 1855. As the largest ship of the line in the Brest fleet, the ship spent much of her early career as the fleet flagship. As Montagne, the ship was the flagship of Rear-Admiral Villaret-Joyeuse in the Combat de Prairial (known in English literature as the Glorious First of June) in 1794. She was badly damaged by the HMS Royal Sovereign, losing 313 men and receiving 233 round shots in her hull. On 17 May 1795, she was renamed Peuple; a month later, on the 23 of June she fought in the Battle of Groix as Villaret's flagship. Returning to Lorient three days later, she was (officially, since 30 of May the name Océan was used) renamed to Océan. She was refitted in Brest in 1797. In 1801, she once again served as Villaret's flagship, ferrying troops of Leclerc's expedition to Saint-Domingue. Océan was Allemand's flagship at the Battle of the Basque Roads. She was decommissioned on 2 August 1850, and used as a floating artillery battery from May 1851. Ship plans and pictures are welcome! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Original dev post: We have given the right to pick the wild card to our 3d modelers. They have chosen Ocean Class - 118 gun ship of the line. http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/2994-player-selected-ships-2015-final-poll/?p=80626
  6. Could someone help me look for plans for this Téméraire-class ship of the line and since this was such an iconic french vessel and i gladly would lik to see this ship in the game and ill post this image.
  7. Hi dear tech team, I wanted to ask you if you are looking for a French translator in order to translate the game in French? If yes, how could I apply? I'm a French translator myself and I have some experience in military games localization work (War Thunder, World War 3) and I would like to propose my services. Kind regards, Hugo
  8. This is the ship i want the most because its proper cool french ship and she could be a flagship for ships And i have to say a french looking ship could be nice, because i want to be a frenchman and then i want somthing that can match english ships.
  9. Le Vengeur French indiaman/3rd Rate 64 guns 1756 The Vengeur was a 64-gun ship of the line of the French Navy designed by Antoine Groignard. She saw action with Bailli de Suffren during the American War of Independence. Model: Plans: This plan is probably from: https://www.amazon.fr/Vaisseaux-fr%C3%A9gates-Choiseul-Sartine-Marine/dp/B000XA74IS Stern decorations by Philippe Caffieri. Full plan available in the French archives No 277:http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/sites/default/files/MV_PLANS-BATIMENTS-A-VOILES.compressed.pdf Drawing from the book: Ship Decoration 1630-1780 by Andy Peters https://books.google.gr/books?id=RoyuCAAAQBAJ&pg=PT179&lpg=PT179&dq=le+vengeur+caffieri&source=bl&ots=7v9gaG2bo7&sig=-rIdCxNkqNN9gal_0QJD8p4F_X0&hl=el&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiK_tbgqOHOAhUBtBQKHfvXB7UQ6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Characteristics: Length: 48 m (157 ft) Beam: 12.34 m (40.5 ft) Draught: 5.2 m (17 ft) Complement: 396 men Displacement: 1300 tonnes Armament: Lower battery: 24 x 24-pounder long guns Upper battery: 28 x 12-pounder long guns Quarterdeck: 6 x 6-pounder long guns Forecaste: 2 x 6-pounder long guns Sources*: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Vengeur_(1765)#cite_note-FCDIVengeur-2 http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/913933/FCDI%20Vengeur http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=2373 http://5500.forumactif.org/t540p400-discussion-generale-sur-l-artesien http://www.leradoubduponant.com/t965p225-le-radoub-du-ponant-origine-des-voiles-royales *The sources are conflicting in dimensions and armament. Need confirmation. Histoire des vaisseaux le Vengeur et la Belle-Poule: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6359176k.r=Histoire%20des%20vaisseaux%20le%20Vengeur%20et%20la%20Belle-Poule?rk=21459;2
  10. Beem playing naval action for abit now and im looking to join a clan and fight in a pack.
  11. My suggestion is to add some depth/specialization to the shipbuilders/shipyards in the game. Currently any T3 shipyard can build any ship. What I'm proposing is to have these specialized. As the builders/yards are set up require the player to specialize in a particular style of ships. French ships, British, Spanish, American and Baltic (Swedish, Dutch, Danish, Prussian, Russian). This makes it so that while this puts more effort into getting these ships, 1 person cant just pump out L'Oceans and Aggys for everyone, since one is French and the other British. The rigging and perks I don't have an opinion on, that's after market if you think about it.
  12. Beautiful French medium sized ship could be a great match for a newly added USS Niagara! 'Amazon' 1745 Description unavailable. Plans
  13. FR0GS We are a new french clan, we are a casual PvE and PvP small group. We are looking for more members to expand our activities. We are looking for players that speak english. But we have a couple of players who speak german as well and also spanish. But basic english is a must, even if it's bad it's okay. We are a french clan for players that don’t speak french. We don’t run our clan too seriously or with any big requirements. We try to keep things fun and enjoy the game with our fellow froggies. If are you are in need of assistance as a newer player, we can help you become a proud strong member of the baguette nation. We can help in the form of game tips or providing some ships, we don’t carry people though. Some of our members have bad backs as it is! We have simple rules! Pay attention!! Have good components! Please hold the line!!! If you’re interested you can contact us in game. You can contact me, our senior commander Lasagne ‘Ferdinand de Lasalle’, our glorious leader always on the hunt for lady-men chevaliers ‘Vlaxie’ or our diplomat the shit talking little prince ‘BotaQ’
  14. History Fama was the flagship of the last great Admiral of the Venetian Republic Angelo Emo, who captained the ship during his continuous missions hunting down Barbary pirate including the siege of Tunis in 1785. Angelo Praised Fama for her considerable speed and agility naming the ship as comfortably the best Venice had. The plans for Fama were drawn up in 1782 and 6 ships were laid, of which 5 were completed she was constructed in the Venetian Arsenal by Giovanni Domenico Giacomazzi, who was considered the best venetian shipwright in of his time and built accordingly the "ad ordinata doppia" system which was implement in 1780 by Angelo Emo who after studying the construction techniques used by the English and the French, hoped to match them or even surpass them. Fama herself spent most of her career in active service, either stationed off of Corfu with the main detachment of the Venetian navy, ready to face threats from threats to the mouth of the Adriatic by the Ottomans or other hostile nations or spent hunting Pirates over the Mediterranean or Barbary Coast. Fama was captured alongside the rest of the Venetian fleet by Napoleon in 1797 when she was briefly renamed Renomee and then renamed again to Du Blois a month later. After her capture she was sailed to Tulon where she was rearmed with slightly smaller guns to fit French standards to take part in Napoleon's Egyptian expedition where she unfortunately collided with the French flagship "L'Orient", suffering severe damage. Despite her damage she remained to Alexandria and was used as headquarters by General Kleber was later partially sunk to block the entrance into Alexandria, she was then captured by the British and sadly broken up without the French, nor British ever realising her potential as a swift and powerful shock ship or as a strong commerce escort and pirate hunter. The Fama Class were given heavy armaments to match larger capital ships but maintaining the speed, versatility and agility of a frigate, thus the name Fregata Grossa came about, translating to Large Frigate, The ideas behind the Fregata Grossa rated ships were to hit hard and fast, able to set combat to their own advantage the theory was a cross between their contemporary super frigates and modern battlecruisers. They also contain similar thoughts used in the huge super frigates of the later 19th century but obviously without the steam engines to power them. The 6 Ships of the Fama Class were: Fama (1784) Gloria Veneta (1794) Le Stengel (1797) Le Beyrand (1797) Diamante (1797) Unnamed (uncompleted) Fama and Gloria Veneta both served under the Venetian Republic with considerable distinction. The other ships of the class were completed during the French and Austrian Occupation periods. Le Stengal and Beyrand both served briefly in the Napoleonic fleet and were then transferred to Austria as part of the peace deal. Diamante was badly damaged during the French Looting period and was patched up but sailed poorly, to deal with this she was armed from head to toe with 24lb guns and used as a floating battery, later she was repaired and served in the Austrian navy as a troop transport ship. A further Unnamed ship of the class was laid but damaged beyond salvation and was sadly broken up with parts being used to outfit other ships but mostly used as firewood. Fama well represents the Venetian Naval doctrine of the time, Venice continuing to fight with a hybrid fleet of Galeass, Galleys and Frigates, due to the history and nature of what remained of the Venetian Empire. Her outfitting, speed and manoeuvrability made her a great shock ship with a strong punch, able to hunt down pirates and operate well in shallow waters and archipelagos with complex coastlines. She is also incredibly well suited for the calm waters of the Mediterranean and able to produce good speed no matter the wind conditions. She was praised for her sailworthiness by her captains and considered the jewel in the late Venetian Fleet. Details Fama was considered a Secondo Rango Fregata Grossa within the Venetian Fleet, then after she was captured by the French she was reclassified as a 3rd rate, although if she were in the game she would likely be similarly placed as Agamemnon, among the 4th rates. Her measurements are (peidi are the Venetian feet): Total Length: 138 piedi or 48.00 meters Keel: 122 piedi or 42.42 meters Width: 37 piedi or 12.86 meters Draft: 17.5 piedi or 6.08 meters (when under French service: 16 fore, 18ft aft (5.2-5.85m)) Bilge Tip (height between the keel and deck): 28 piedi or 9.73m She was crewed by around 450-500 men, depending on how many sailors Venice could muster at the time. The Venetian state had a continuous issue with raising the appropriate number of men to serve on her navies during the later years of the republic. Fama had similar crew numbers to her contemporary 64s by other navies, however due to her smaller size these men served in even more cramp conditions than was generally experienced by the worlds navies, her officers quarters were equally as confined, especially considering that she was used for most of her career as an admiral's flagship, although these close natured lodgings were something the Venetians were always used to back at home in Venice. She sailed incredibly well and was praised for being hugely fast and agile, giving her the best ability to perform her main tasks, protecting merchant shipping and hunting down pirates. Her performance under sail is fairly well documented, receiving universal commendation from the officers who sailed her. I have not yet found any information about how she heeled, rolled and other similar specifics, as Venice had no sailing queries similar to the Royal Navy. Armaments Fama Carried 66 Guns, and her four chasers, below is a make up of weight and armaments during both the French and Venetian outfitting. She also had the potential to point the two cannons nearest the bow on the main gun deck in a forwards direction to aid the 2 dedicated chase guns situated either side of the foremast and 2 rear facing guns. During Venetian period by Venetian Weight 26 x 40lb (26.5 British pounds) (12.04 kg) 26 x 30lb (20 British pounds) (9.03 kg) 14 x 14lb (9 British pounds) (4.21 kg) 2x 14lb (9 British lb) Bow Chasers (4.21 kg) 2x 14lb (9 British lb) Stern Chasers (4.21 kg) Broadside Weight = 1008 Venetian Pounds (667.5 British Pounds) (303.4 kg) French Period By French Weight (reduced to a 64) 26 x 24lb (11.74 kg) 26 x 18lb (8.8 kg) 12 x 6lb (2.93 kg) 2 x 6lb Bow Chasers (2.93 kg) 2 x 6lb Stern Chasers (2.93 kg) Broadside Weight = 588 French Pound (634.75 British Pounds) (287.5kg) Plans The most true plans, showing the proper lines of of either La Fama or Gloria Veneta, as said below in a post stating the edit history of this thread. This is the only record showing the proper 66 broadside gun ports, although the plan below does miss her bow chasers. The other plans like with her sister ship Stengel show the correct lines, but sadly show incorrect positioning for the guns on the quarterdeck, the other plans show only 6 guns either side (12 in total) from when she was reduced to a 64 rather than the true build when she had 7 (14), which are shown correctly here. This is a modern reproduction by Guido Ercole, there are a couple of minor mistakes where she is shown having 28 guns, not her proper 26 on both her gun decks, she is also missing a gun on her weather deck. The rest of the reproduction is still accurate, with the sail plan and also shows a nice idea of what she would have looked like painted. Some less detailed plans, most likely showing Stengel, after she has one of her weather deck gun ports removed making her into a 64. Rough Planking and Framing Methods used Art Many Thanks go to Sella22 for letting me use some of his resources, I would really love to see this ship in the game, she would be a fantastic addition. Thank you for Reading.
  15. Let the transgressors be judged by a jury of their peers... (Those two guys came at us the first night; we cited the ceasefire, and we parted ways peacefully. The second night they came at my LGV again, truly intent on hacking Dutch shipping....) Quoi qu'il en soit, ce ne sera pas ces deux insignifiants qui me feront haïr la France. Je ne le puis simplement pas. Seulement, ça aide pas à convaincre mes compatriotes...
  16. hello everyone, Thought I'd drop my progress of this french frigate here, there is still a lot to be done but here's where I'm at so far. Atm the hull + rigging and masts is 90k triangles. Here are some screenshots from the ship in marmoset toolbag, it's a program showing how a 3d model would look in a game engine so no fancy vray renders hehe. I also made some cannons and swivels which are on the ship, here are some renders of them. cannon: swivel: I still need to add some rigging and one more mast piece and dont mind the stern either I'm gonna make it less boring and add some sculpts to it, also gonna try making a figurehead. I hope you guys like it, could use some feedback on the textures too btw.
  17. L'aurore Frigate Google translated from French The light frigate, small vessel relegated to the bottom of the ranking between large frigates and long boats and applied for all purposes in the Navy of Louis XIV, had never until now been the subject of a comprehensive study . This is in line with the one on French naval architecture • 17 century, initiated by Jean Boudriot, author of two monographs, one on the "Ship 3 decks of Monsieur de Tourville" and the other in the long boat "La Belle". Jean-Claude Lemineur, based on a manuscript of François Coulomb, written in 1683, has written a monograph on his side of a 5th rank ship "Le François." The study of Dawn he proposes, begins with the definition of the characteristics of light frigates at the entrance of the reign of Louis XIV, who still respond to the views prevailing in the first half of the 17th century. It then traces their evolution, the architecture of the adapting light frigate, like the ship, the steady increase in firepower over the great periods of the reign and the following decades, until despite the reduction of its senior, she is abandoned in favor of the corvette whose forms are more clear-on the water. The study continues by focusing on a remarkable example of small frigates built in the aftermath of the Ministries of Colbert and Seignelay "L'Aurore" of 18 guns of 6 Books, start of construction in Le Havre in 1697 by Philippe Cochois. The Dawn is carefully analyzed, both in its architecture and its decor features well-volu metric of its hull. These demonstrate the talent of Philippe Cochois whose career is briefly traced, demonstrating an unusual command of volumes he fashions with boldness. Restitution of Dawn by Jean-Claude Lemineur therefore appeals to all of the few specific sources for this type of building. The result of these studies is concretized by 31 boards 1'écheJle 1/48 ° that graphically describe Dawn in all its aspects, from its schematic forms to complete rig through its structure and interior layouts. The relative dryness of the subject is somewhat mitigated by the account of his service in the Royal Navy, particularly with the story of two long cruises across the Atlantic. This story, significant enrichment of the book is the work of the historian Patrick Villiers. It helps to give of Dawn, a more vivid image. In total, the monograph provides information both on the technical and historical light frigate in the French navy, de1661à 1750. Its content should respond fully to the expectations of savvy designers. Plans: Building a model: http://www.shipmodeling.ru/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=70946
  18. The French East India Company (1664-1794) Between 1720 and 1770, the Company gained a great prosperity and built more than 300 ships, a third of them being two-deck ships from 600 to 1500 ton. Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_East_India_Company La Paix, 1764 : http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66472.html Le Boullongne 600-ton French fluyt, 1759 20 guns (6-pdrs) Source : http://gerard.delacroix.pagesperso-orange.fr/boullon/bou_2.htm Built in Lorient by G. Cambry on behalf of the French East India Company. Design (especially the interior) is a bit different from ships built by and for the French Royal Navy, such as Le Gros Ventre, to serve as a freight transport ship. Named after Jean de Boullongne, French magistrate and politician. Captured by the British in 1762. Length (gundeck) : 126' Breadth : 30' Depth in hold : 11'8" Monograph and plans : http://ancre.fr/en/monographies-en/63-monographie-du-boullongne-v-cie-des-indes-1759.html?search_query=boullongne&results=2 Shipmodels : http://gerard.delacroix.pagesperso-orange.fr/boullon/bou_index.htm http://www.amarsenal.be/05_MM_19_SDB01.htm http://enguerrand.gourong.free.fr/oceanindien/p19oceanindien.htm Source : http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=16503
  19. Le Soleil Royal (1670) Displacement: 1,630 tonnes Length: 61 m (200 ft) Beam: 15.64 m (51.3 ft) Draught: 7.64 m (25.1 ft) Complement: 836 Armament: 104 guns:
  20. 'La Bretagne' The Bretagne was a large 110-gun three-decker French ship of the line, built at Brest, which became famous as the flagship of the Brest Fleet during the American War of Independence. She was funded by a don des vaisseaux grant by the Estates of Brittany. Bretagne was one of seventeen ships of the line ordered in 1762 as a result of the Duc de Choiseul’s campaign to raise funds for the navy from the cities and provinces of France. She was completed at Brest in 1766. Specs: La Bretagne 1765-1796 By A. Grignard Built In Breast Launched in 1766 184' - 50' - 24'6'' 30-gun of 36-pdr; 32-gun of 24-pdr; 32-gun of 12-pdr; 6-gun of 6-pdr Total 116-gun In 1777, La Bretagne undergoes a major remake of 2/3. Artillery is given a 110-gun. Other name, le Révolutionnaire in 1793 This ship could be a great addition to NA 1st rate team.
  21. Le Bertin/Belleisle French Indiaman/British 3rd Rate 28(?)/64 guns 1760 (Probably the plan of the original): (Probably after the British refit): (i wonder from which book is the picture above ) http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81234.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81235.html Specifications: Length of Gundeck: 157' 10" French Feet (Pied du Roi) or 51.2643 meters Length of Keel: 139' 10" French Feet (Pied du Roi) or 45.4179 meters Breadth: 40' 6" French Feet (Pied du Roi) or 13.1544 meters Depth in Hold:17' 9" French Feet (Pied du Roi) or 5.7652 meters Armament: French service: Upper Gun Deck: 28 x French 12-Pounder British service(1761): Lower Gun Deck: 26 x British 24-Pounder Upper Gun Deck: 28 x British 18-Pounder Quarterdeck: 8 x British 9-Pounder Forecastle: 2 x British 6-Pounder (1782): Lower Gun Deck: 24 x British 68-Pound Carronade Upper Gun Deck: 26 x British 42-Pounder Carronade Quarterdeck/Forecastle: 8 x British 24-Pound Carronade Crew: French service: 199, 10 officers, 189 crew, "when armed en-flute" British service(1761): 500 (1782): 420 blaze it Info from British Warships in the Age of Sail 1793-1817 : https://books.google.gr/books?id=Ge8kCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT179&lpg=PT179&dq=le+bertin+1760&source=bl&ots=fKlhPyKca0&sig=AZHLdugXsJUk3Amh5knBx2C927k&hl=el&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiszbvYu_LLAhWCDCwKHRiXBgcQ6AEINjAE#v=onepage&q=le%20bertin%201760&f=false Le Bertin: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=15839 Belleisle: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=617 Any info,plans or pictures are welcome
  22. Plan (from the Riksarkivet, Kopenhagen) Service history Designed by Blaise Pangalo (also known as maître Blaise) at Brest Keel laid down: 09. 1706 First Commissioned 10. 1707 21.10. 1707 Battle of the Lizard/Bataille d'Ouessant (I linked the english and the french wiki entries) Capture of the Ruby, 50 guns, and several merchant ships 1708 Cruise to the Azores, again as part of the escadre Duguay-Trouin, taking three prices 1711 Expedition to Rio de Janeiro 1712 Return to Brest 1728 Cruise to Tripoli, Bombardement of Tripoli 1741 hulked at Brest 1748 broken up Dimensions ( as demi - batterie, in pied de Roi) Length 118' Breadth 31'6'' Depth in hold 13'6'' Armarment Gundeck 6, later 8* 12 pounders Upper Deck 26* 8 pounders Forecastle and Quarterdeck 8* 4 pounders Dimensions (as frigate) Length 118'9'' Breadth 32' Depth in hold 13'8 1/2'' Armarment Upper Deck 26* 8 pounders Forecastle and Quarterdeck ? A couple of words about Blaise Pangalo, as he was quite an illustrious and mysterious figure: Originally from Venice, he went to France to work as a shipwright and was 'discovered' by Admiral de Tourville in the late 1670s. With this kind of patronage and his exceptional talents , he quickly rose through the ranks and finally became master shipwright at Brest, the most senior position in the hierachy of french naval engineers. While in french service, he designed and built at least 23 vessels, including five first rates. Pangalo´s ships were famed for stability, speed and weatherliness and his work had an huge impact on french ship design and provided a major influence for Blaise Ollivier, one of the most eminent figures in 18th century ship building ( and he built 'our' Renommée, by the way). Pangalo - most probably - died in 1714 in Brest, although it´s possible that he faked his own death in a rather creative effort to escape substantial financial troubles and contined working in Russia under Peter the Great until 1719. L'Amazone was one the first demi-batteries, 'designed specifically for commerce raiding' (Sailing Ships at War, Howard), with a fully armed upper deck and half a tier of guns on the gun deck. It´s not clear when the rebuilt took place, but given the service history of L'Amazone, I think it´s safe to assume that it happened either under the supervision of Joseph Ollivier, Blaise´s father, as master shipwright at Brest or in the early years of B. Ollivier´s tenure at the same post. In either case, she was one of the very first steps in the evolution of the 'true' frigate. Sources: Ships and Shipbuilders: Pioneers of Design and Construction, Walker, 2010 18th Century Shipbuilding: Remarks on the Navies of the English & the Dutch. Olliver, 1737, edited by Roberts, 1992 Snau and Fregat: Small Cruisers in the Danish Navy 1650 - 1750, Auer, 2008 Vaisseau de 64 cannons Le Fleuron, Boudriot/Delacroix, 1995 WIP pics As the plan leaves much to be desired, I have to do things a bit differently this time (read: oldschool) and build the ship from the ground up. The 'frames' aren´t the actual frames, just the station lines with the thickness of the planking already added, should serve as a nice visual aid to determine the final hull shape. The stuff not depicted on the plan (e.g. positions/dimensions of the masts, a proper deck plan) will come from contemporary treatises and tables. This is going to be fun
  23. Le Bucentaure Bucentaure was an 80-gun ship of the line of the French Navy, and the lead ship of her class. She was the flagship of Vice-Admiral Latouche Tréville, who died on board on 18 August 1804. The Bucentaure at Trafalgar Vice-Admiral Villeneuve hoisted his flag on 6 November 1804. Bucentaure hosted the Franco-Spanish war council while sheltered from the British fleet at Cadiz. The vote was to remain in safe waters (a decision later overruled by Admiral Villeneuve) During the council, Spanish general Escaño complained that the atmospheric pressure was descending (a sign of approaching storms). French vice-admiral Magon famously retorted "the thing descending here is braveness". This offended Admiral Gravina and other Spanish officers who did not oppose later the imprudent order of taking to sea. At the Battle of Trafalgar, on 21 October 1805, she was commanded by Captain Jean-Jacques Magendie. Admiral Nelson's HMS Victory, leading the weather column of the British fleet, broke the French line just astern of Bucentaure and just ahead of Redoutable. Victory raked her less protected stern and the vessel lost 197 men and 85 were wounded (including Captain Magendie); Admiral Villeneuve was lucky to survive, but this effectively put Bucentaure out of most of the fight. After three hours of fighting, she surrendered to Captain James Atcherly of the Marines from HMS Conqueror. Villeneuve is supposed to have asked to whom he was surrendering. On being told it was Captain Pellew, he replied, 'There is no shame in surrendering to the gallant Sir Edward Pellew.' When he was informed that the Conqueror's captain (Israel Pellew) was Sir Edward's brother, he said, 'England is fortunate to have two such brothers.' In the following days, Bucentaure's crew rose up against the British prize crew, and recaptured the ship. However, she was wrecked in the gale-force storm of 23 October 1805. ----------------------------------------------- Found these online, so you can see how it will look after it is finished: This is not an actual NA game model!! NA WIP:
  24. After extensive research i felt ready to start modelling the Bucentaure class 2nd rate French ship. Since information about this type is very scarse despite being one of the backbones of french navy in the era next to Temeraire and Ocean classes, luckyly enough after reading and googling about every Tonnant and Bucentaure class ship for information i was able to find some referencess including captured tonnant plans, bucentaure lines plans from a french book by Jean Boudriot and excellent Bucentaure class model "Friedland" in the french naval museum with photos from their site and in the books as well, and paintings of the classes from the era i started laying the lines for this magnificent ship. So here is the first screanshot very early in progress. I will post updates as i work through it. Hope youll like it
  25. Hello Everyone. I wanted to tell/ask something. The time frame of ships in-game/that are possible to be in game are ships that are build in 1690-1820. This means we will get lots of 18th century ships , gotta love them. Dont get me wrong , i love 18th century ships , they look awesome , the sailing is amazing. They all have something great. Gotta love those ships. But what i was wondering: Why not make the time frame a little...wider? With this "wider" effect i mean: 17th century ships. Reason: I personally love the 18th century ships , they are awesome in all kinds of ways. They are natural beauties. All kinds of 18th century ship-rates have their own benefit. Its great. But.. as some other people have explained in other Topics , lots of 18th century ships look the same. With this i dont mean the collour , but the design. Example: We got the L'Ocean , beautiful ship , i sailed with it and fought with it , its amazing. Its such a lovely ship. Then theres the Santisima Trinidad , same thing , i love the look of it , its great in battle , lots of cannons , amazing. But here's were my point joins in: the design of both ships is pretty simillair. Again , dont think i dont like the 18th century designs , i think they are amazing. But because they look so simillair and we have lots of those kinds of ships , i would love to see some other kids of designs. This is one of the reasons why i love the 5th rate ship of the line: La Renommee. It has kind of the same design , but the back is way different. And i think its gorgeous. Same thing with The Ingermanland , i love the ship even more because its a different kind of design. Especially in the back. Ofcourse , how a ship looks is not the only thing that matters , how their abilities proof in battle and in sailing is a very import example too. Ofcourse , 18th century ships were more developed , but 17th century ships are good in sailing. Looking at the fact of how a ship reacts on the sea , doesnt really matter in this case. But i would love to see 17th century ships in-game. I will take some examples to show you. Le Soleil Royal (1670) I choose the photo of the back , because the back is were it matters about most in this Topic. Just look at this ship. Its beautiful and very different from the ships we have in game right now. And for those who want a back story , its their too. Back Story: She was build in Brest between 1668 and 1670 by engineer Laurent Hubac. She was launched in 1669 and stayed in Brest harbour for years.She was recommissioned with 112 guns and 1200 men when the Nine years war broke out in 1688 as the flagship of the escadre du Ponant (squadron of the West). She was said to be a good sailing ship and her decorations were amongst the most beautiful and elaborate of all baroque flagships. The emblem of the "sun" had been chosen by Louis XIV as his personal symbol. One more example: Seven Provinces (Zeven Provinciën) 1665-1694 I got the same reason for the photo from the back: Matters the most in this Topic. Just look at her.. she is beautiful. The Seven provinces is my personal favorite ship. She looks stunning , has lots of cannons , and sails like she rules over the seven seas. But thats not all.. she has one hell of a back story too. Back Story: The Seven Provinces was a line ship of 'de Admiraliteit van de Maze' with 80 cannons on board , the name was also writen as: '7 provinciën'. The ship had a lenght of 163 foot and was 43 foot wide , and had a cavity of 16,5 foot. The men were with more then 420. The ship was build in 1664-1665 on admiral site at the 'HaringVliet' of Rotterdam. The builder of the ship was: Salomon Jansz van den Tempel. It began her carreer as flagship of viceadmiraal Aert Jansse Van Ness. After that it became the flag ship of luitenant-admiraal Michiel Adriaenszoon de Ruyter (1666-1674). She fought at 'de Vierdaagse zeeslag' at North Foreland (1666). She also fought at the 'Tweedagse zeeslag' (1666) , and at 'Toch van Chatham' (1667). And in the seccond English war. The ship also fought at 'Slag bij Solebay' (1672) , the 'dubbele slag bij Schooneveld' and at the 'Slag bij Kijkduin' (1673). In 1674 it went on expidition under controll of Admiral Michiel de Ruyter. After the death [ kiling of the Prince of orange] of Admiral michiel de ruyter it became the flag ship of Schout-Bij-Nacht Jan Van Brakel in 1678. In 1691 Johan snellen got the ship under controll. He died the same year on board. It also participated in the English/Dutch fleet in 1691 under the command of Edward Russel. In 1692 it got shot by the french and it caused a leak in the battle of Barfleur en La Hougue , the ship sailed back to port. After that it got sold in 1694. This is the reason i call her... unsikable , because she has never bin sunk . So why not 'wide' the time frame out to the 17th century?
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