z4ys Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Quineloe said: That's exactly what has been tried already. Best gunpowder comes from florida, bovenwinds comes from the Antilles, Cartagena comes from Cartagena. It's just a very poor execution and a a Bovenwinds refit clearly isn't as valuable as a Cartagena Caulking Refit. This stuff already is behind an econ wall. a thousand feet high econ wall, though. its done by restricting the ammount. make them always accessible. You get them when you sail. And dont hide it behind a wall of contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 minute ago, z4ys said: contracts Fixed contracts is what stalls and turns continuous movement of produce and resources trade back and forth totally stale. Instead of full produce at maintenance, feed the towns along the entire 21 hours... A bit here, a bit there, updating the trader tool (A) every now and then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quineloe Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Just now, Hethwill said: Fixed contracts is what stalls and turns continuous movement of produce and resources trade back and forth totally stale. Instead of full produce at maintenance, feed the towns along the entire 21 hours... A bit here, a bit there, updating the trader tool (A) every now and then... Is how refit resources work differently from logs? My log contracts fill little by little over the day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Yes. Imagine Gunpowder from Guataca. Say I put 3 contracts up, using 3 different trade contacts, effectively three different players. I will stall it all. As a extreme, 100 ships sail in to buy it, but only 3 ships sail out. 97 ships not making way on trade routes. But all good, getting on unknown grounds, was just wishful thinking to put ships, whatever ships, sailing around, that are not NPCs and orbiting free ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodgi Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hethwill said: I wasn't talking about PvE. I know. Remember what happened when they removed RNG from crafting? We were so happy. Then they make fantastic upgrades and loot drop books that are more important than any individual ship and lock that behind a PVE rng loot drop grind wall. A kiss and a slap. My hypothesis is that eco, PVE and sandbox dudes are only motivated by PVP stuff. They say: "Eco is important, it adds depth and meaning." "PVE is content that makes people play." What they mean: "I'm going to use my eco and PVE grind time to get rare stuff few people can get to. The depth and meaning is that I will achieve a gear based advantage." If people truly and honestly like PVE and eco activities they don't need rewards tied to fighting equipment. I truly and honestly like PVP activities and I don't need any rewards tied to eco or PVE. Like a few PVP'ers have stated recently; You need mods and books or you're playing at a disadvantage. Getting people motivated for PVP under the eco/PVE oppression has proved very difficult. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knobby Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 With these new more realistic sailing mechanics, we really need to be able to separately control the spanker (clew up, or haul amidships) so it doesn't work against the maneuver. For example when wearing, you would clew up the spanker, otherwise it would push the stern away from the wind. When tacking, you would haul the spanker amidships to increase pressure on the stern and help with turning into the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Knobby said: With these new more realistic sailing mechanics, we really need to be able to separately control the spanker (clew up, or haul amidships) so it doesn't work against the maneuver. For example when wearing, you would clew up the spanker, otherwise it would push the stern away from the wind. When tacking, you would haul the spanker amidships to increase pressure on the stern and help with turning into the wind. 95% sure the spanker doesn't work against the maneuver in-game. It's just a little motor that keeps on chugging, with no effect on rotation. A full-detail sailing model would include control over the spanker and headsail sheets. However, this would make the control scheme a nightmare, requiring eighteen fingers on your left hand just to perform a turn to starboard in PvP. So yeah, maybe in a hypothetical SP sailing sim version of the game where everything is slowed down 3x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 Important experimental update. Gameplay changes Victory marks (marks received for winning the map) conversion is now only available for the PVE server Improvements Crash reports sent only take into account logs of the recent crash (speeding up returning to the game significantly after the crash) Conversion was removed to increase importance of port capture and victories in conquest. Expected effect = more port battles and more pvp; higher importance of port control and port victories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z4ys Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, admin said: Important experimental update. Gameplay changes Victory marks (marks received for winning the map) conversion is now only available for the PVE server .... Lets push the game more towards WASA only. Dont get me wrong i like to have a reason to RvR but thats a bad approach. Edited December 21, 2017 by z4ys 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landsman Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, z4ys said: Lets push the game more towards WASA only Pretty much what I was thinking... and as soon as Wasa costs victory marks too, the people in the weaker nations that don't have the players to dominate the map ( so basically all except for like 3 ? ) will quit the game too... No sane person would play in a underdog nation vs the zerg nations that also have the best ships with Wasa all the way on the top... So yeah, victory marks for the zerg nations only -> huge dislike. Would be way better to have important resources or ship skins the driving reward for conquest in my opinion. You could still get those with smuggler flag but the owners of the ports could then try to catch you -> more PvP... Flat out boosting the dominant players / factions is never a good mechanic in games tho... it only causes snowballing and puts the winning chances for the weaker even more out of reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, z4ys said: Lets push the game more towards WASA only. Wasa Action 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knobby Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 20 hours ago, maturin said: 95% sure the spanker doesn't work against the maneuver in-game. It's just a little motor that keeps on chugging, with no effect on rotation. A full-detail sailing model would include control over the spanker and headsail sheets. However, this would make the control scheme a nightmare, requiring eighteen fingers on your left hand just to perform a turn to starboard in PvP. So yeah, maybe in a hypothetical SP sailing sim version of the game where everything is slowed down 3x. In the old system I felt pretty sure my turnrate increased as soon as my ass was through the wind and the spanker was pushing the stern in the direction it was supposed to go. Not sure in the new system, haven't really paid attention to it yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liq Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Hail wasa Smh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Intrepido said: A mistake if only 1 nation wins victory marks. We have 11 nations. This will only promote abuse of forged papers to the winning nation. We tested victory marks. Monopoly of victory marks in one clan/nation is a really bad thing for the game balance. we want to give nations a clear goal for endgame - become N1. Perhaps VM should be distributed for first 3 places, instead of 1st place only. VMs were not tested in clan port control mechanics and previously all ports had to be fought with 25 captains in oceans. Now there are minor ports and you can get on #1 position through controlling only minor ports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, admin said: Important experimental update. Gameplay changes Victory marks (marks received for winning the map) conversion is now only available for the PVE server Improvements Crash reports sent only take into account logs of the recent crash (speeding up returning to the game significantly after the crash) Conversion was removed to increase importance of port capture and victories in conquest. Expected effect = more port battles and more pvp; higher importance of port control and port victories. how should you win pbs if you have no 1st rate? thats soooo stupid!!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liq Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, Christoph said: how should you win pbs if you have no 1st rate? thats soooo stupid!!!! Use wasa ))))))))))) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, rediii said: Isnt the vic buildable with combat marks? no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landsman Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Christoph said: ow should you win pbs if you have no 1st rate? thats soooo stupid!!!! Déjà-vu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Christoph said: how should you win pbs if you have no 1st rate? thats soooo stupid!!!! don't forget please that majority of ports have limited BR and a lot of them won't even let first rate in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloothommel Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 major step back imho. bad idea. #victorymarksforeverybody 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepp636 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just now, admin said: don't forget please that majority of ports have limited BR and a lot of them won't even let first rate in. But it was healthy for the game that nobody cared about the map win. Now a strong nation might just smasch a weak nation just to win the competition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, admin said: don't forget please that majority of ports have limited BR and a lot of them won't even let first rate in. yes that's true but you have to do the whole day pve to pay for the ports 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Limiting ships to a certain "group" really worked well in the past. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepp636 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 How about nerf the Wasas and make new BR for ships instead of testing old stuff again? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 minute ago, jonnysweden said: Git Gud! If you are Casul, play on the pve only server, and capture first rates from NPCs. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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