Casus Belli against Britain

[Cossack]

Seems to me the Americans are taking advantage of a nation completely tied up in multiple wars after failing to make any significant gains against their pirate foes. 

[Jager]

Infinite, the brits have not agreed to give them back, in fact I believe they poo pooed the suggestion by our diplomats that we get them back, saying time effort and resources they spent was too great and would not hand them over.

 

And we all know what happens when the brits poo poo. Is Caldwell really Melchett?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeF1JO7Ki8E

 

 

Caldwell visits the front lines

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDQ1ljlnSjU&ebc=ANyPxKobHO8HAcuYetPa7P_uTbTzhT6SBVF0wWPLkXm6TBA2gJkbaU8UTLB9SRReCW7sQvyMmQC7AJdr_W7fCE4b3Ky_DDYhcQ

Oh really and you know this how? I know for a fact that this was agreed to because you know what, The head diplomat for the british council was discussing it with myself, his clan leader and multiple other AUSEZ officers tonight Australian time. You sir are who? From which clan? obviously think you are important and know all the facts just to try and be relevant? If you were important you would know that  that Caldwell is not the leader of the British nation, nor is he a diplomat for the British Council, he is the leader of one of several large British clans that are apart of the said council. ( no offense intended to you Caldwell). 

 

So for all you nations thinking that he is the main spokes person for the British council is just absolutely wrong, to quote him for diplomatic things is completely wrong, So why don't you go off you your little corner and leave the talking to the people that matter hey?

 

Now on the topic These ports have been agreed to be handed over so Good Day Gentlemen.

Edited March 20, 2016 by Jager

[victor]

Correct me if my details are incorrect, but didn't the Dane reduce the Swedes down to just their capital before asking for a treaty?

 

You are correct, Sir.

 

But that does not change what the Danes did after. While the Brits are ... let's say ... still to be tested on the side of how they deal with a beaten enemy.

 

PS: BTW (but I'm sure you know it) also Pinar del Rio and Robras are Spanish now.

Edited March 20, 2016 by victor

[victor]

May ask what you think had happened if the Swedes had attacked Fort Baai and Marigot as well?

because that would have needed to happen for those two situations to be comparable.

 

Since the correctness of your statament would depend also on the possibile reasons and claims behind such an hypotetical Swedish attack on Fort Baai and Marigo, I think that also your comparison - though interesting - is at least ... very debatable 

Edited March 20, 2016 by victor

[Quineloe]

I do not understand one bit of what you wrote there.

Edited March 20, 2016 by Quineloe

[Alado]

 

 would recommend you to join the pirate party because actually you guys are acting like pirates.

maybe like you?

[Charles Caldwell]

 If you were important you would know that  that Caldwell is not the leader of the British nation, nor is he a diplomat for the British Council, he is the leader of one of several large British clans that are apart of the said council. ( no offense intended to you Caldwell). 

 

None taken sir....and all quite correct. Just a small cog in a big wheel.

[Jonathan Arlington]

Ah ... Sir Caldwell, I fear you seem to miss the point.

Danes defeated another nation, that's true, but look at the map ... how many ports has now that nation?

Brits almost defeated Spain and look ... instead of leaving them retake four (four!) ports in western Cuba, you are trying the more and more - every single day - to reduce Spain to their capital (and so did the USA before, but they at least had the excuse that we were their neighbours and they wanted to avoid us to attack their land).

So it should be perfectly clear why small factions should prefer siding with the Danes than with the Brits.

BTW: it's a very intriguing thing that your fleet trying (as usual with no success) to fight spanish in western Cuba tonight was escorted by USA patrols. So I assume either that the USA have a very complicated "internal situation" or that someone is just posting on this forums in order to mislead people.

You are missing the point that sweden was reduced to one port. Than the danes were full of "mercy" while we offert peace and end of war to spain with five ports left. And what happend? They called us arrogant for that. So pleeeease stop blaming us again and again for a war we wanted to end before everything goes crazy. That is soooo yada yada yada...

[Musuko42]

Vicious, you didn't answer me last time; have any British players been contesting the ports you've been taking?

[Alado]

You are missing the point that sweden was reduced to one port. Than the danes were full of "mercy" while we offert peace and end of war to spain with five ports left. And what happend? They called us arrogant for that. So pleeeease stop blaming us again and again for a war we wanted to end before everything goes crazy. That is soooo yada yada yada...

 

 

 

many of you said that you reduced us to habana only,and you try....and  you want finish war with spain??? loool    but Whos said the war with spain its finisished? you surrender???

[Jonathan Arlington]

many of you said that you reduced us to habana only,and you try....and you want finish war with spain??? loool but Whos said the war with spain its finisished? you surrender???

You are kidding aren't you? If you do not end this war your are welcome. But in this case stop blaming us for treating you like an enemy. Simple. ????

[victor]

I do not understand one bit of what you wrote there.

 

That's your problem Sir, not mine. Who knwos knows (and - then - understands).

Edited March 20, 2016 by victor

[furyGer]

Slowly I get angry. The Danish Swedish war was a hard fight and finally on one day they take all our 7 ports. OK we were hard beaten but they can't beat us total because we are 200-300 players, all in Gustavia and want fight them. And we are 5 mins from their capital. They talk to us and offer peace and an agreement. Thats all and if you more talk about we are on our knees in front of the Danes, you will push us in an alliance with them. You can affront the Danes, but please don't affront us or the France in the same moment. It's hard to fight so many nations but be carefully to push all nations in this war. Greetings.

[Bougainville]

I am confused by the whole thread. It starts with a title that makes no sense at all, and then a lot of word salads.

[Quineloe]

That's your problem Sir, not mine. Who knwos knows (and - then - understands).

 

I'm not feeling like I'm missing out

[Vykorie]

"We're perfectly fine with wiping a nation because literally <<frell you>>

But no worries, we're very cool guys!"

oh behave! the spanish refused peace not us, everyone say we're "devils" "nasty" and "liers" but if you was in our shoes you'd have done the same!

 

hell the US did or are you forgetting that?

[KuroNyra]

I am confused by the whole thread. It starts with a title that makes no sense at all, and then a lot of word salads.

Like Knuckles the Echnidna said:

<< I'M CONFUSED! >> *jump on the closest guy to punch him*

 

 

Diplomatic thread tend to do that. I see a pattern there.

[Lord Vicious]

Brit not agreed to give them back, council asked for it, and brit told they changed idea: official info from the american council, so now dont act like you giving us this ports, we taking it by force end of story.

 

 

You told usa you get it for finish spanish then you refused to give it back to the american council, the council decided to take note of it but do nothing, and that is where i step in for take them back.

 

So britain are untrustworthy and liers end of story, and if your british  leadership told you that you are giving it away to us cause an agreement they lie to you too.

Edited March 21, 2016 by Lord Vicious

[Lord Vicious]

As my post before. Same back to you. Hiding for weeks just to wait till 4-5 nations are against us to decide to join the war? And excuse me but I can't see your name on the council. So that means you are working against your whole nation too. I would recommend you to join the pirate party because actually you guys are acting like pirates.

 

 

I think your perception is wrong the american council is not in lead of the nation, is a conglomerate of some clans but not all of them, so going against it, or have a different strategy/politics is by no means going against the nation itself, in fact i believe that my clan is right now doing a service to the nation taking all this ports as buffer zone.

 

Your judgement is a clear conflict of interest you like only usa clans that not harm you, wich is very convenient  and if y may add, very obvious to anyone.  Since you never deal with my clan or me yet you are very aggressive, have you ever tryed to talk with us? nope. 

 

 

We informed the council about our strategy (purely as good relationship between fellow americans not becouse we needed their permission or blessing)  and they told us that since we are an indipendent clan, we can do what we want, until and if we join the council, wich is in talking btw 

Edited March 21, 2016 by Lord Vicious

[Musuko42]

For the third time of asking, Lord Vicious; are any British players defending the ports you're taking?

[Kutai]

I have spoken with both the US council and Stars and Stripes in the past couple of weeks.

I can firmly say that Stars and Stripes are a much more respectable lot. The council seems to think more of themselves than they actually are and the real power in America currently sits with Vicious and his guild.

When the Council asked US to talks last week to see if they could make a deal with us to both attack the British they were rude, arrogant and did nothing but boast about their immense strengh. They demanded 8 ports from the Pirates so that they could help us against the Brits. We refused.

Whenever I have spoken to Lord Vicious it has been a pleasent experience and has not involved any rubbish.

Edited March 21, 2016 by Kutai

[The Spud]

Funny how we are all talking diplomacy here, and who didn't follow their agreement and bla bla bla while there is not a single diplomacy enforcing feature implemented. A fleet of 25 players attacking at the right time and the right place is enought to flip a port, might even flip two or three without major resistance (like the danes did this weekend at st ann and antionio). There is just no point in discussing diplomacy if 1 -  A single clan who just doesn't bother with diplomacy decides to take ports 2 - The biggest part of the casual players aren't aware of diplomacy and probably aren't bothered.

 

Maybe this week we take a ton of ports back, and all of a sudden Britain will be the big bad nation again instead of the "beaten" nation.

[Jonathan Arlington]

Brit not agreed to give them back, council asked for it, and brit told they changed idea: official info from the american council, so now dont act like you giving us this ports, we taking it by force end of story.

You told usa you get it for finish spanish then you refused to give it back to the american council, the council decided to take note of it but do nothing, and that is where i step in for take them back.

So britain are untrustworthy and liers end of story, and if your british leadership told you that you are giving it away to us cause an agreement they lie to you too.

So you acted alone without the order or demad of your council. How dare you, Sir,telling us a lession in trustworthy while your own council and their diplomacy could has been affected by your actions. In fact your council cannot trust you, Sir.Your should thank God that our council decided to give order not to heaten up the political situation and demanded us to rest. Edited March 21, 2016 by Jonathan Arlington

[Prater]

Vicious isn't part of the council yet.  This was understood by all parties.  We certainly aren't into ordering Stars about, and those who we made agreements with were aware of this.

 

 

And Kutai, who was rude and arrogant? I hardly think that 8 ports were demanded from you guys.  Maybe they were requested as a requirement for us to work together, and when you denied them, we refused to work with you, but that is hardly demanding.  Just because things don't go your way, doesn't mean we are being rude or arrogant or demanding.  Look at our relations with the British, the Danish, the Dutch.  Can Wang, or one of the Danish guys, or Steel say the members he has worked with are rude, arrogant, etc?

[Lord Vicious]

So you acted alone without the order or demad of your council. How dare you, Sir,telling us a lession in trustworthy while your own council and their diplomacy could has been affected by your actions. In fact your council cannot trust you, Sir.Your should thank God that our council decided to give order not to heaten up the political situation and demanded us to rest.

 

 

You really dont get it dont you?