Casus Belli against Britain

[victor]

lol brilliant, the Danes bring two nations to their knees in one weekend. Then post how gracious they are in giving them a treaty but will be keeping some ports...... and WE are ambitious and cocky. What a crazy world we live in. 

 

Ah ... Sir Caldwell, I fear you seem to miss the point.

 

Danes defeated another nation, that's true, but look at the map ... how many ports has now that nation?

 

Brits almost defeated Spain and look ... instead of leaving them retake four (four!) ports in western Cuba, you are trying the more and more - every single day - to reduce Spain to their capital (and so did the USA before, but they at least had the excuse that we were their neighbours and they wanted to avoid us to attack their land). 

 

So it should be perfectly clear why small factions should prefer siding with the Danes than with the Brits. 

 

BTW: it's a very intriguing thing that your fleet trying (as usual with no success) to fight spanish in western Cuba tonight was escorted by USA patrols. So I assume either that the USA have a very complicated "internal situation" or that someone is just posting on this forums in order to mislead people.

Edited March 20, 2016 by victor

[Charles Caldwell]

Ah ... Sir Caldwell, I fear you seem to miss the point.

 

Danes defeated another nation, that's true, but look at the map ... how many ports has now that nation?

 

Brits almost defeated Spain and look ... instead of leaving them retake four (four!) ports in western Cuba, you are trying the more and more - every single day - to reduce Spain to their capital (and so did the USA before, but they at least had the excuse that we were their neighbours and they wanted to avoid us to attack their land). 

 

Correct me if my details are incorrect, but didn't the Dane reduce the Swedes down to just their capital before asking for a treaty?

[Erik Eriksen]

Ah ... Sir Caldwell, I fear you seem to miss the point.

 

Danes defeated another nation, that's true, but look at the map ... how many ports has now that nation?

 

Brits almost defeated Spain and look ... instead of leaving them retake four (four!) ports in western Cuba, you are trying the more and more - every single day - to reduce Spain to their capital (and so did the USA before, but they at least had the excuse that we were their neighbours and they wanted to avoid us to attack their land). 

 

So it should be perfectly clear why small factions should prefer siding with the Danes than with the Brits. 

 

BTW: it's a very intriguing thing that your fleet trying (as usual with no success) to fight spanish in western Cuba tonight was escorted by USA patrols. So I assume either that the USA have a very complicated "internal situation" or that someone is just posting on this forums in order to mislead people.

 

You are quite right good sir. Both the nations we made peace with are thriving on their own. Where were they when they were still under the british yoke.

 

The Brits way of doing it is steamrolling, and then set their defence timer to the middle of the night. And thus "kills" any further action. We had this stalemate for a very time around Higuey, with facing only these nightly timers and it was tedious and extremly boring, with litle or no action. By breaking this deadlock we brought life into our sector and Naval Action into the game, and even the british players must admit that the last days have been full of excitment and action.

[Charles Caldwell]

You are quite right good sir. Both the nations we made peace with are thriving on their own. Where were they when they were still under the british yoke.

 

The Brits way of doing it is steamrolling, and then set their defence timer to the middle of the night. And thus "kills" any further action. We had this stalemate for a very time around Higuey, with facing only these nightly timers and it was tedious and extremly boring, with litle or no action. By breaking this deadlock we brought life into our sector and Naval Action into the game, and even the british players must admit that the last days have been full of excitment and action.

 

Where were they? Free and fighting you, owned roughly the same ports as they do now apart from the ones you claimed as part of your treaty. A genuine question: will they be getting them back at any point as a gesture of goodwill on the Danish part? I mean you surely trust them by now, so you could return Aves, Terre-de-basse, Fort Baai and Marigot to them.

 

As for Brit steamrolling, didn't you take down both nations in one weekend?

[Guest]

Ah ... Sir Caldwell, I fear you seem to miss the point.

 

Danes defeated another nation, that's true, but look at the map ... how many ports has now that nation?

 

Brits almost defeated Spain and look ... instead of leaving them retake four (four!) ports in western Cuba, you are trying the more and more - every single day - to reduce Spain to their capital (and so did the USA before, but they at least had the excuse that we were their neighbours and they wanted to avoid us to attack their land). 

 

So it should be perfectly clear why small factions should prefer siding with the Danes than with the Brits. 

 

BTW: it's a very intriguing thing that your fleet trying (as usual with no success) to fight spanish in western Cuba tonight was escorted by USA patrols. So I assume either that the USA have a very complicated "internal situation" or that someone is just posting on this forums in order to mislead people.

 

To be honest, as one of the Swedes I think we'd have had more respect for the Danes if they had progressively beaten us over time (which most likely was about to happen anyways), not just steamrolled through most on a friday and setting 6-8 am timers.

Edited March 20, 2016 by Guest

[Galileus]

Where were they? Free and fighting you, owned roughly the same ports as they do now apart from the ones you claimed as part of your treaty. A genuine question: will they be getting them back at any point as a gesture of goodwill on the Danish part? I mean you surely trust them by now, so you could return Aves, Terre-de-basse, Fort Baai and Marigot to them.

 

As for Brit steamrolling, didn't you take down both nations in one weekend?

 

Where does that care comes from? From what I remember at the time, you personally called us out to never get these ports back and to "honorably" get wiped off of the map...?

 

I can say for sure, both Dane-Norwegians and Dutch gave us back more ports than Brits ever wanted us to get back :3

[Charles Caldwell]

From what I remember at the time, you personally called us out to never get these ports back and to "honorably" get wiped off of the map...?

 

errrr what? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about... what are you claiming I said?

 

You are aware that before the Danish Blitzkrieg the French had almost all of the Antilles right down to the Border of the Dutch, and were winning. So perhaps you are thinking of something else because you are not making sense.

[Kayin]

First of all... When the Danes brought 2 nations on their knees the Spanish had around 120 Brit ships on their coasts because the Brits wanted to show their power...

 

Second: Lord Vicious, it's what they do, they promise they are gonna do something then try to gain time to keep the ports, it's what they did to spain, the only difference is that they can't/don't dare to declare war on the Americans because... Obvious reasons.

[Lord Vicious]

Tbh Brit engaged spain when US already defeated them and reduced them to the minimum, so was a totally useless war, brit just chose the most easy nation to bully on them.

 

 

When i leaded majority of usa fleets i was all about finish the spanish until i reduce them to the capital, than the political leaders of usa decided to offer peace to spanish twice so we stopped for a week, spanish  always refused  becouse they where divided internaly,so i continued to remove them from gulf of mexico, until usa owned all up to tumbado.    Then i formed up my clan, at that point spanish where reduced to pretty much 10 ports. and Brit came to finish them off?  cause spain probably not where able to cut a deal with them for same reason they not where able to accept peace terms with usa.

 

 

What i not like about brits is how cocky you guys are, you have a very big population thats it, you are not good or skilled at list not more than others, your main force is purely   based on your ability to zerg as long you pick one nation at time, so you chosed to bully spanish, than you chosed to attack usa with pirates and spanish,(you really needed another 2 nation for attack us? ) then you went piss of another nation than another ..  and now you collect the results of pissing of all this ppl, now your numbers are not enought for make the difference and you suffer thx to this stupid moves.

 

But what i not tollerate at all, is how you  try to appear the victim in all of this,  you got 110+ ports and you still talking like you are not an aggressive nation LOL. 

 

You also manage to always promise something and never stick to such agreement, so you not only pissed off almost every nation but you manage to give yourself an untrusthworthy image. 

 

 

I want back all ports from tordo to tumbado. if you force us to take it by force, we not gonna stop cooperate with other nations and part of pirates. , is not e a treath is us enforcing you to honor what you promised

Edited March 20, 2016 by Lord Vicious

[lobogris]

I want to see the diffference a spanish clan in the coalition defend a spanish port and its war, Us Navy take 8 british ports and nothing happends? what is the difference?.

Edited March 20, 2016 by lobogris

[Kayin]

The difference my brave friend is that the Americans have the strength to fight whereas the Spanish had not at their eyes, and well... if they weren't scared of a fair fight there wouldnt be so many ports at the timers they had them.

[Jim]

Judging nation on actions of couple clans, its like judge US taking Lord Vicious as benchmark point - in both cases it would be unfair.

Lord Vicious There is point why you are not in any well known US clan - this also show that there should be way to remove ppl from nation - ppl that are counter productive to their national interests.

Edited March 20, 2016 by Jim

[CptEdwardKenway]

 

 

What i not like about brits is how cocky you guys are

Same goes back to you.

[Lord Vicious]

Judging nation on actions of couple clans, its like judge US taking Lord Vicious as benchmark point - in both cases it would be unfair.

Lord Vicious There is point why you are not in any well known US clan - this also show that there should be way to remove ppl from nation - ppl that are counter productive to their national interests.

I am not in any "well know" clan of us nation becouse

 

1) I left them by my own choice, since they were not meet my standards or gameplay style

2) I not make deals with you

3) I not bend my knee  that easly

4) If you where informed you know that my clan is the 2nd biggest in usa nation

5) I dont give a damn to be "well known" by you, since i dont know wtf you are as well.

 

If you judge usa clan only by how they are inclined to bend or deal with you, is not my fault becouse if you where  well informed  you will know that my clan  is the strongest in terms of self sufficiency and ability to field bigger ships. So maybe in future you will form your judgment based on facts and real info, instead what you have been told. Or maybe you picked the wrong clans to make your agreement with

Edited March 20, 2016 by Lord Vicious

[Lord Vicious]

Same goes back to you.

 

 

I can afford it,  i not made any agreement ,i am not in charge of a nation, nor i pretend to be,     your nation leaders are ,and if i am wrong and i hurt your feeling, hey 5 nation is attacking you, so probably my perception is right since soo many ppl share it, if i was you i should think about this a little more

Edited March 20, 2016 by Lord Vicious

[Vykorie]

Whilst the nation may not be fully united on the aggressive stance taken by some US clans, it is in the US interest to take back the ports in Yucatan/Mexico now to prevent the Brits having a foothold close to Louisiana/Florida. It makes no sense to allow a British presence continue here when all that will happen when Britain gets a break from current hostilities is that she will renew her battle with the US. The congress/council are naïve to think the Brits will not attack US territories in the future and the buffer zone being created by Vicious and others will be crucial to any diplomatic efforts or if necessary hostilities against the zerg. People may not like it but it makes complete strategic sense to take back these ports now while the zerg is busy on other fronts. All nations should make hay while the sun is shining, happy harvest all.

 

why on earth would we attack the US? that would be a very costly war with no gain what so ever for either side,

 

we taking the gulf was a middle finger to the spanish for being weasles, not some masterplan to attack american ports.

 

quit being paranoid

[lobogris]

The war of the Sandwich!!!

[Galileus]

why on earth would we attack the US? that would be a very costly war with no gain what so ever for either side,

 

we taking the gulf was a middle finger to the spanish for being weasles, not some masterplan to attack american ports.

 

quit being paranoid

 

"We're perfectly fine with wiping a nation because literally <<frell you>>

But no worries, we're very cool guys!"

[CptEdwardKenway]

I can afford it,  i not made any agreement ,i am not in charge of a nation, nor i pretend to be,     your nation leaders are ,and if i am wrong and i hurt your feeling, hey 5 nation is attacking you, so probably my perception is right since soo many ppl share it, if i was you i should think about this a little more

As my post before. Same back to you. Hiding for weeks just to wait till 4-5 nations are against us to decide to join the war? And excuse me but I can't see your name on the council. So that means you are working against your whole nation too. I would recommend you to join the pirate party because actually you guys are acting like pirates.

Edited March 20, 2016 by CptEdwardKenway

[InfiniteAmount]

Whilst the nation may not be fully united on the aggressive stance taken by some US clans, it is in the US interest to take back the ports in Yucatan/Mexico now to prevent the Brits having a foothold close to Louisiana/Florida. It makes no sense to allow a British presence continue here when all that will happen when Britain gets a break from current hostilities is that she will renew her battle with the US. The congress/council are naïve to think the Brits will not attack US territories in the future and the buffer zone being created by Vicious and others will be crucial to any diplomatic efforts or if necessary hostilities against the zerg. People may not like it but it makes complete strategic sense to take back these ports now while the zerg is busy on other fronts. All nations should make hay while the sun is shining, happy harvest all.

The diplomats of Britain have already agreed that the entirety of Mexico, and the western and northern coasts of the Yucatan will revert back to US possessions. While Britain is currently caught up in multiple wars, versus Denmark-Norway, France and Spain, as well as the perpetual pirate menace, and thus it would be an opportune moment to take British ports, the question must be asked: to what end? To occupy those ports that the British have already agreed to let us have? To overextend ourselves deeper into British territory, putting ourselves into literally the same position that we would be exploiting?

 

Even just reclaiming the Yucatan without defenders is a costly task in time and resources. Defending it, or trying to take it by force more than doubly so, considering that its current owners have already pledged it to us. Meanwhile on our other front, our eternal enemies in black, who control the Bahamas, are also distracted, even more than the British it seems, fighting the with the same faction we've negotiated a territory agreement with regarding the Gulf and Yucatan.

As a counterpoint to your claim that attacking the British now makes complete strategic sense, I must state that it makes no strategic sense whatsoever to waste time reoccupying ports that are ours by right, while the major force on our eastern flank is distracted and weakened in the area. While it is tactically sound, attacking an enemy from the rear while their front is distracted, strategically, it makes no sense to overextend ourselves while the Black Bahamas point directly at the heart of America like a dagger.

Edited March 20, 2016 by InfiniteAmount

[Kayin]

The diplomats of Britain have already agreed that the entirety of Mexico, and the western and northern coasts of the Yucatan will revert back to US possessions. While Britain is currently caught up in multiple wars, versus Denmark-Norway, France and Spain, as well as the perpetual pirate menace, and thus it would be an opportune moment to take British ports, the question must be asked: to what end? To occupy those ports that the British have already agreed to let us have? To overextend ourselves deeper into British territory, putting ourselves into literally the same position that we would be exploiting?

 

Even just reclaiming the Yucatan without defenders is a costly task in time and resources. Defending it, or trying to take it by force more than doubly so, considering that its current owners have already pledged it to us. Meanwhile on our other front, our eternal enemies in black, who control the Bahamas, are also distracted, even more than the British it seems, fighting the with the same faction we've negotiated a territory agreement with regarding the Gulf and Yucatan.

As a counterpoint to your claim that attacking the British now makes complete strategic sense, I must state that it makes no strategic sense whatsoever to waste time reoccupying ports that are ours by right, while the major force on our eastern flank is distracted and weakened in the area. While it is tactically sound, attacking an enemy from the rear while their front is distracted, strategically, it makes no sense to overextend ourselves while the Black Bahamas point directly at the heart of America like a dagger.

 

TLDR: We cannot defend that so we are gonna make it look as a present for the Americans, luckily they'll bite the bait and whenever we can we'll screw them as we've done with every single other nation we've got to terms.

[Blackout]

TLDR: We cannot defend that so we are gonna make it look as a present for the Americans, luckily they'll bite the bait and whenever we can we'll screw them as we've done with every single other nation we've got to terms.

 

"I didn't like hearing the truth, so I made up a story I can tell myself so I can feel like I'm relevant"

 

- Kayin, 20 Mar 2016

[Quineloe]

Ah ... Sir Caldwell, I fear you seem to miss the point.

 

Danes defeated another nation, that's true, but look at the map ... how many ports has now that nation?

 

Brits almost defeated Spain and look ... instead of leaving them retake four (four!) ports in western Cu

May ask what you think had happened if the Swedes had attacked Fort Baai and Marigot as well?

because that would have needed to happen for those two situations to be comparable.

[Kayin]

"I didn't like hearing the truth, so I made up a story I can tell myself so I can feel like I'm relevant"

 

- Kayin, 20 Mar 2016

 

I'm just continuing the British tendency up till now.

[Quineloe]

TLDR: We cannot defend that so we are gonna make it look as a present for the Americans, luckily they'll bite the bait and whenever we can we'll screw them as we've done with every single other nation we've got to terms.

 

It's funny how Britain fails at diplomacy when it's war, and when Britain does do diplomacy and there's no war, comments like that get posted