SteelSandwich Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 But hell why not if you don't like even fights be sure to bring your US allies next time too, just to make sure you'll win easy. Lovely statement. I can recall an event in which Brits, Spanish, swedes and french decided all attack the Danes at the same time. Regardless of that event, they were fighting 4 nations. 2 in the west, 2 in the east. Due to tremendous effort they managed to rid 1 on their western front. The dutch were fighting a 2 front war after that, with a large amount of Spanish being based in panama and the french in the east. Up to this point you guys had no problem whatsoever to use your number advantage whenever it suited you. The Spanish eventually got beaten, the result of which was the full focus of the dutch yesterday. 1 evening, yea just one, you got a taste of your own medicine. So i think your upset statement of being outnumbered is not valid in any way or shape. I would like to add: for the french/swedish captains, alike kierrip, i salute you for your fun/positive mentality. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Bubbles Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 What do you mean? It would be a 4 to 1 or 5 to 1 for the Dutch side... and we all know this is what Dutch call a fair fight ;3 The amount of time I was called "coward running from a fair fight" when outnumbered 3 to 1 and outgunned 5 to 1 is stunning Can you give me the french definition of a fair fight pls? French using ai and being brave in a 30-20 battle but running in a battle with even BR, not once but on a daily basis for the last 4weeks. French even taking pride in this thread of striking dutch doing missions. And then cry wolf when we apply the same tactics??? There is word for this, originated from the french language: hypocrisy. Pls refrain yourself from accusing us of stuff you do yourself aswell and keep respectfull. Grtzzz Bubbles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lytse Pier Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Oh, don't get me wrong. That picture's been around for ages and I still snicker every time I see it. What I meant was that to call our little hunting fleets 'seal-clubbing' for only going after newbies is silly. We pilot nothing larger than Renommees and the vast majority of our targets are Renomme/Surprise and larger. We don't generally waste our time with anything smaller because it's not usually worth the effort, and we move in fleets of no more than 3-4. You guys also do the same thing, just ask my poor clan-mate that lost his trader full of goods to 8 Dutch ships just after this all went down; the difference is we don't come on here afterwards and call you names for doing it I feel your pain, brother To be honest, we sailed with about 7 smaller ships into a lone French 3rd rate yesterday evening just west of Pampatar and it took all our sailing skills to remain in his stern to not take its fulll broadsides and evade eachother doing it. The battleratings were about even and it was only until we finally cut off one of his masts and got his crew down to cripple his efficiency, we could start moving in and keep our hulls mostly under its guns. Now one could say it is a 7 to 1, that it is unfair, but one could also say it was a fair fight without much battlerating difference. Whatever one would say, it remains questionable tactics to sail a 3rd rate unescorted when there are many enemy ships around. Honeypots attract bears. Always. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarios Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Seems i hit a soft spot there lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileus Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Can you give me the french definition of a fair fight pls? French using ai and being brave in a 30-20 battle but running in a battle with even BR, not once but on a daily basis for the last 4weeks. French even taking pride in this thread of striking dutch doing missions. And then cry wolf when we apply the same tactics??? There is word for this, originated from the french language: hypocrisy. Pls refrain yourself from accusing us of stuff you do yourself aswell and keep respectfull. Grtzzz Bubbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemplarCrusader Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 This whining those who attacked us on Fridays. Sorry but your excuses are pathetic, as you are. All Allies thanks for yesterday enchanting evening! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lytse Pier Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) Oh, and about fair fights, you can only call them unfair if you actually fight them: Chad knows why: https://youtu.be/br9C73Q9I8U Edited February 27, 2016 by Lytse Pier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 While the port stomp happens and did happen against all nations, we have been there when the east fel. the cracking of mechanics regarding missions and getting jumped by high BR groups of corsairs should teach a thing or two about how bad or good cheese can smell of both sides of the borders. On the defense of the dutch all the privateering done at the Dutch Sports Center of Macareo not a single combat was in closed missions. All fair and in the open world with 5 minutes ticking. A snappy salute to all that keep their Nation Navies proud of their actions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileus Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 I'm having the best laugh of my life. "We're the honorably ganking ones! You're the ungentlemanly gankers! We are good, you are bad!" Priceless 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligatorswe Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) On defence timers. 18-20 GMT is not to explot timers. It is prime time in Europe. Denmark has its timers set for that time everywhere in east and west in coordination between the major clans VIE and RU. (Except a few exceptions. I guess Aves will be 20-22. We normally set that time for Aves.)We know that some swedish and french set timers to 20-22. Well,not all can have the same timers. We need time for both defence and to attack. Edited February 27, 2016 by Ligatorswe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIerrick de Badas Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Pfeeew, about the fact that some dutch and some french are arguing about who is the more evil, i think if we want to have a real vision on the forces in present you dont hve to count about nation fighting but about forces and fleet. As we all see, winning a pb is really hard when you get 25 people in defense.When we get macanao, we were 15x3rate and 10 trinco/consti vs 12x3rate and rest mostly frigates bp and few trinco. We were bigger but the tower make a huge difference. We win but almost lost. What make the "esay win" is the capacity of a nation or alliance to split the ennemy or have more fleet in attack than they have. If you are attacking a port, you fight ennemy, it's 1v1 fleet. If you attack a second port 2second flet vs second fleet. Third port: third fleet vsPick up group (not op ships). And for fights 4-5-6 there is no ennemy just tower. you blew them in 20 min and attack again. It's how black friday past. Dutch attack us on south bringing most of our fleet on south when on north dans come in empty waters. For me We really loose 2 ports and we can blame ourself for that. What is happening north is not a war, it's a tax collect about pb mecanic to get stuff. When dans will have finish their job, it will be time maybe to fight but as we can't align as forces as ennemys, lets fight the more fair or at least thoses who have the same timers in pb than us. It's impossible to fights dans if they want to fight, they set up timers on 18-20 in their primetime when they are many to defense. After the timer, the hardcodre one stay ig and attack our port. We can just spend time against dan in defense due of mecanisms of game. It's why an other threa is open to make this kind of mistakes in developpement change. Atm the rvr is not based on skill but on organisation (what is not stupid) and on number of fleet (what is stupid). As french and sweden can't align as any fleet as dans and dutch, our level can't change anything. We will probably win some defensive fight with our primary fleet but lost the others ports due of number. That's life, lets back in bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 I'm having the best laugh of my life. "We're the honorably ganking ones! You're the ungentlemanly gankers! We are good, you are bad!" Priceless Indeed. "Choose nation: Good, Bad, the Others" A knee under the table. Ooops it all toppled over. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanay Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Hat down for teams teams involved in the attacks, impressive work, thanks to those who tried to fight back and probably lost many feathers in the fights, I'm mostly a solo trader/crafter not really a fighting guy well aware of the political games involved, logged-out yesterday when the Swedes started to be attacked, came back 3 hours later to see 10 French cities already captured or under attack, for a brief second i wondered if something was messed up and i had ended in the wrong server... Not sure what is the future going to be made of but this power demonstration was impressive, it certainly hurts and i still have a lot of unanswered questions about all this remaining in my mind, I salute you new neighbors, not sure where all this will lead us and what to do in the future but congratulations for such massive attack. One last word for the Swedes, i don't know how you will manage to continue in such complicated situation but I salute your courage too. Now fellow Danish neighbors please bring and share some of that tasty Danish beer you produce and drop some bottles at Camp du Roy ^^ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.P. Juel Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 I think nothing is wrong with the game mechanics, like sooo many in this thread complain about. The defender must have the advantage, deciding when to defend - thats only fair. You had that advantage yesterday , the attackers was limited to engage in the timeframe that you had chosen. Now when we have the ports, I see you complain about being at work when you wanna retake them and that devs should do something? No.. It just means that you gotta do it saturday or sunday maybe. Or communicate with your players to see who is online and able. This is war, and we all have the same resources, maybe the danish clans are just stronger than swedish.. Af few weeks ago Danmark-Norge was attacked by multiple nations, and Sweden took two ports from us. You spoke of the danish diplomatic capabilities as "nonexistence" when you justified yourselves and the alliance you forged with the french and the british.. You said we brought this on ourselves because of "extremely aggressive behavior". You have been ganking around our capital since the beginning of the game, also in missions, tried it myself 10 times at least. We just had to manage to deal with that. What if all nations agree to take all ports from Danmark-Norge tomorrow, would the devs then have to do something about it? No.. WE had to do something about it and take some ports back. Denmark-Norway is still one of the smaller factions, and yeah Sweden are actually just back to basic with 4 ports aren't you? They you kinda start from scratch. But you brought this on yourselves with that behavior of yours(you see the irony?). So yeah, maybe in 2 months Denmark has 5 ports and Sweden has 30. Who knows? Ports change hands quickly 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronClaw Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Seems the US was also hit hard. Has Piet Hein been spotted near british harbors yet? He's probably looking for a new home again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marecek05 Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Ports change hands quickly And this is the problem. It creates this really unhistorical feeling that detracts from the game. It feels more like checkers then... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronClaw Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Dutch attack us on south bringing most of our fleet on south when on north dans come in empty waters. For me We really loose 2 ports and we can blame ourself for that. What is happening north is not a war, it's a tax collect about pb mecanic to get stuff. Funny, I never heard you cry about this "pb mechanic" while you were taking Trinidad when our forces were split over the east and west fronts. You had two nights in a row where we basically couldn't defend. You fought vs 14 ships in El Toco, yet you didn't come here to post about how that was not a "war", but just a "PB mechanic". In fact; french made boasting topics here on their awesome conquests... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackShot Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 First congrats to the danes and the dutch! very good coordination and that tell a guy who sail for sweden ;-) anyway deep respect to all the guys who are involved and fight for there nation but the time will come where some things will be change. iam looking with a good mood into the future for the swedish nation! the last days show us that big nations like the usa get in trouble because they spead out too quickly. the same will happen with the danes and new allies and enemies will come! thats the game thats like the same as in real life! every nation wants the best for there own! some nations do it better other not! we will see! thats my word for sunday ähhhm saturday! cheers and beers ahoy bloody captains! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makrian Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Funny, I never heard you cry about this "pb mechanic" while you were taking Trinidad when our forces were split over the east and west fronts. You had two nights in a row where we basically couldn't defend. You fought vs 14 ships in El Toco, yet you didn't come here to post about how that was not a "war", but just a "PB mechanic". In fact; french made boasting topics here on their awesome conquests... Aye, 100% agree. We've lost a huge amount of towns around Trinidad and now the ball is comin back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lytse Pier Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 I'm having the best laugh of my life. "We're the honorably ganking ones! You're the ungentlemanly gankers! We are good, you are bad!" Priceless A pirate's world of Black and White. If only you could see the world in Orange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronClaw Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Here is how unfair the French felt the mechanics were a few weeks ago: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/10109-a-french-flag-is-flown-in-trinidad-tobago/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noif Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Danes with big playerbase (with russians 24/7 players) vs Sweden small playerbase that have more better to do - What celebrating? This tell how broken system is this (Yes, I know it is alpha). Conquest flag price too cheap and no limits on harbor conquest. No BR rate limits... How will be playerbase on Sweden now? Reduced on some, I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zwartebaardman Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Frenchies... We had to fight on 2 fronts for 4 weeks. We were on both sides outnumbered. Yesterday, we finally organized a large offensive for only 1 day with the Danish (Great job Danish). The offensive was a great success. The first thing you do is start complaining on the forums. We had do deal 4 weeks everyday with the "broken" PB mechanics and other stuff on 2 fronts. Cmon frenchies, you are only victory hunters. You should form 2 fronts. The North front and The South front. Then you know our feelings for the past 4 weeks. AND STOP COMPLAINING! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marecek05 Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Here is how unfair the French felt the mechanics were a few weeks ago: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/10109-a-french-flag-is-flown-in-trinidad-tobago/ Its not about being unfair, but about being bad. Few weeks ago there weren't that many ports changing hands as there were tonight. You guys pushed on us and kudos for that and brits spain an pirates pushed on US and kudos to them for that. But having whole page of port captures is just too much, it feels too gamey. Or do you disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.P. Juel Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 And this is the problem. It creates this really unhistorical feeling that detracts from the game. It feels more like checkers then... I know but other things like loosing 25 3'rd rates 2 Fridays apart is not really historical either, but this is a game - we must think of it as a week being a year. Danmark-Norge and the dutch had a good year now, the past two weeks/years you conquered a lot from the dutch, the swedes got ports from us.. If for example you plan to make a great offensive one day, and we plan the same day, we will collide in major battles scattered across the borders we share, without any sides losing ports. I think everything is in order. People can join in on great battles every week, that may or may not change the map. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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