England Declares War on Poland!

[Iroquois Confederacy]

16 minutes ago, Christendom said:

Ya know @Iroquois Confederacy if you're going to maintain your own clan and own set of diplomatic rules, why don't you just go pirate?  Rather than create incidents in game that your chosen nation now has to pay for.  Would seem like the responsible move no?

13 minutes ago, Iroquois Confederacy said:

I've thought about it honestly.  But this sharply reduces the total amount of targets.  If I thought it would undo whatever diplomatic farce that England is attempting to perpetuate, I would do so.  I believe that England is merely using this as an excuse to try to get some easy wins, so, I ultimately do not see the point.

1 hour ago, Gregory Rainsborough said:

Iroquois is one of the main reasons for this move (at least on my part) as he kept shitting on the agreement made between GB and Poland.

You said in our battle the other day you didn't care if Poland lost all their ports as you were based out of free towns, what changed?

5 minutes ago, Batman said:

Maybe Polish players should simply have sticked to the agreement that was set up between GB and PL. Yeah, you don't care about politics.

But constantly receiving complaints from players that there traders get attacked by PL players we had to react. I talked to Polish diplos and it seems Polish players have a different oppinion about how "Not attacking traders" actually works from British Captains.

As evidence that "It's not about the Free Tribes, we just want the port."  Notice how studiously they avoid my offer to simply depart the faction, removing the burr between England and the Commonwealth.  They just want to take the port.

[Lucky L]

lol , the declares is too long for a poor Chinese  , why a no clan man did it , no clan no RvR ,  maybe i ignore some words in declares , but it is strange , we need a "real " diplomatic officer to do it , not a no clan man or ID , THIS IS A IMPORTANT THINGS FOR NATION , no need any alt s or no clan mates to do it  , such as I don't use LZT1209 at here , now forget papers will be shit soon , so please ignore any alt 's words.

 

 

Edited February 11, 2018 by Lucky L

[VirtuallyIdiotic]

TRIBE or no TRIBE does not matter. @Iroquois Confederacy understood the situation when I talked to him yesterday and he was informed on what was going on. Great Britain was looking for a reason for a while it seems. If Iroquois did not make such a post someone else would have.

Now @Batman mentions other incidents from other players. There is only one incident we were ever informed about which involved by the PFK member Amilkar and a Great Britain player Masaven Kanetsuji. 

Now Batman came to our teamspeak to inform us about this. What we were told by him was Masaven was tagged and "severely damaged." Masaven did not lose his trade ship or his cargo. Amilkar informed us he did not do any damage and it was an accidental tag when attempting to tag an ai fleet to grind knowledge slots and money. Still, I went to Great Corn and compensated Masaven for the "sever damage." 300K to be exact which he informed me he told the other Great Britain players about on their discord. Back to Batman and the teamspeak, DaRho and myself noticed that there was a difference in the term of what an attacked trade ship was so we suggested to Batman we all come back Saturday and go over things to patch what some would consider loopholes in the trade agreement. Batman also stated that Iroquois is not an issue to this agreement since he is one man. For Batman it was 3 AM and told us he would do that. That was the last we heard from Batman on that matter.

Then there was this incident involving an odd conversation with Gregory Rainsborough:

Pretty much stating that they were escorting a trade ship and that escort ships are off limits as well. 

The trade agreement to the best of my knowledge only stated that trade vessels from Poland and Great Britain were off limits to attack from one another. If a trade ship was lost however the other nation would have to compensate for that loss. It was somewhat a vague agreement that Poland was willing to clean up. If there were any other incidents that Polish players sunk Great Britain trade ships it was not presented to us. Now Poland has lost quite a few trade ships as well yet we did not make a report or complained to Great Britain of such matters. How we see it Great Britain was looking for any excuse to have a casus belli against Poland to take Les Cayes. 

 

Edited February 11, 2018 by Davos Seasworth

[Guest]

Well Denmark-Norway.. or at least DNP, reserves the right to spank the polish in Haiti.. We may be there to help the underdog... If nothing else we could get some PvP..

[z4ys]

Its amusing how people go mad when suddenly so called player made RvR rules get broken

Boys more pew pew less wigs.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Davos Seasworth said:

TRIBE or no TRIBE does not matter. @Iroquois Confederacy understood the situation when I talked to him yesterday and he was informed on what was going on. Great Britain was looking for a reason for a while it seems. If Iroquois did not make such a post someone else would have.

Now @Batman mentions other incidents from other players. There is only one incident we were ever informed about which involved by the PFK member Amilkar and a Great Britain player Masaven Kanetsuji. 

Now Batman came to our teamspeak to inform us about this. What we were told by him was Masaven was tagged and "severely damaged." Masaven did not lose his trade ship or his cargo. Amilkar informed us he did not do any damage and it was an accidental tag when attempting to tag an ai fleet to grind knowledge slots and money. Still, I went to Great Corn and compensated Masaven for the "sever damage." 300K to be exact which he informed me he told the other Great Britain players about on their discord. Back to Batman and the teamspeak, DaRho and myself noticed that there was a difference in the term of what an attacked trade ship was so we suggested to Batman we all come back Saturday and go over things to patch what some would consider loopholes in the trade agreement. Batman also stated that Iroquois is not an issue to this agreement since he is one man. For Batman it was 3 AM and told us he would do that. That was the last we heard from Batman on that matter.

Then there was this incident involving an odd conversation with Gregory Rainsborough:

Pretty much stating that they were escorting a trade ship and that escort ships are off limits as well. 

The trade agreement to the best of my knowledge only stated that trade vessels from Poland and Great Britain were off limits to attack from one another. If a trade ship was lost however the other nation would have to compensate for that loss. It was somewhat a vague agreement that Poland was willing to clean up. Now Poland has lost quite a few trade ships as well yet we did not make a report or complained to Great Britain of such matters. How we see it Great Britain was looking for any excuse to have a casus belli against Poland to take Les Cayes. 

 

So the brits don't have the balls for RvR, nor the guts for PvP and they want not only their traders left alone but warships too on the assumption that they MIGHT be escorting traders... Well the greatest carebear nation on the server just outgrew its vagina..

[Anne Wildcat]

It's not like Great Britain doesn't have the numbers to escort traders or the area to trade elsewhere lol.

[Cabral]

1 hour ago, Gregory Rainsborough said:

Erm... We haven't declared war.

It's for us to declare war, not you.

 I laughted when I saw the polish rogue declare war in England behalf. Was funny 

[blubasso]

6 minutes ago, z4ys said:

Its amusing how people go mad when suddenly so called player made RvR rules get broken

Boys more pew pew less wigs.

Nothing new, under the sun... did you ever read Das Glasperlenspiel by Herman Hesse?

[Batman]

So much drama about a simple port battle ...

[Murdock669]

Hahaha Batman yea... So great, strong nation with so many players attack smallest nation yea it give you epic glory hahaha

[VirtuallyIdiotic]

24 minutes ago, Batman said:

So much drama about a simple port battle ...

Les Cayes is our Capital. PFK fought hard to maintain it in the past when they were at their strongest and in turn holds symbolic meaning to PFK. It is their home and HOSTs home. It is the only current economically strong port and only port of Iron Poland has. It is our Warsaw. 

[Latron]

Going to war against a nation for the actions of one player is a bit silly, but for me I did appreciate him going after those traders. The whole deal made with the brits hardly benefited us at all and I'm  glad to see it fall apart. Let's hope for a good port battle with no funny business

[Mr Pellew]

52 minutes ago, Iroquois Confederacy said:

As evidence that "It's not about the Free Tribes, we just want the port."  Notice how studiously they avoid my offer to simply depart the faction, removing the burr between England and the Commonwealth.  They just want to take the port.

As @Batman said: It was not only you. Other Poles attacked british traders as well and even helped the French out when we jumped them in a hostility mission. 

 

Our Nation hated the people who talked to the poles the first time we flipped it and got to an agreement with them. If you get complaints about a small group of players all the time and people start getting upset would you just keep going and slowly loose players of a allready small RvR group because they don't agree with an agreement anymore after incidents with the other side?

[Batman]

7 minutes ago, Davos Seasworth said:

Les Cayes is our Capital. PFK fought hard to maintain it in the past when they were at their strongest and in turn holds symbolic meaning to PFK. It is their home and HOSTs home. It is the only current economically strong port and only port of Iron Poland has. It is our Warsaw. 

These things can happen if you choose to play in an "impossible" nation. Other nations would simply argue "we are providing content" and gitgud.

[VirtuallyIdiotic]

11 minutes ago, Mr Pellew said:

As @Batman said: It was not only you. Other Poles attacked british traders as well

There is no proof of such incidents apart from Amilkar which evidence for his incident is questionable. Unlike Great Britain we are a very small nation and actually can keep track of our player base. I definitely know HOST kept to the agreement since I heard frustration about the agreement everyday. We kept to it though for the greater good of the nation.

Edited February 11, 2018 by Davos Seasworth

[Murdock669]

Hmm... Batman if i remember good at start of oure agreement (dont attack traiders) GB members was attacking oure traiders and you say that thys is individual incidents from no clan players... I was attack by Otto when i was in traider, also a few more people from PFK say to me that Otto was attacking them and whot you say?? "They are individuals that dont listen to GB headquater but hey they have only 4 people in clan so dont worry..." so please dont say that we broke oure agreement becouse you was doing it all the time...

Edited February 11, 2018 by Murdock669

[vazco]

I bet that if there was no incident, one would be made... Those things happen. If someone wants a war, eventually he'll get one.

[victor]

1 hour ago, Latron said:

Going to war against a nation for the actions of one player is a bit silly, but for me I did appreciate him going after those traders. The whole deal made with the brits hardly benefited us at all and I'm  glad to see it fall apart. Let's hope for a good port battle with no funny business

Well, a long long time ago (in the RAE era, in spanish faction) - if I do not go wrong -  it happened something similar also to Spain: agreement with GB, fake casus belli, broken agreement and declaration of war (and at that time Spain was one of the weakest faction of the server, while GB was by far the super power of the server).

I guess, this is how brits get to the point that no one wants to ally with them

[Batman]

10 minutes ago, victor said:

 

I guess, this is how brits get to the point that no one wants to ally with them

And yet people think we are allied with Swedes, Danes and RUBLI

[RedNeckMilkMan]

2 hours ago, Iroquois Confederacy said:

I've thought about it honestly.  But this sharply reduces the total amount of targets.  If I thought it would undo whatever diplomatic farce that England is attempting to perpetuate, I would do so.  I believe that England is merely using this as an excuse to try to get some easy wins, so, I ultimately do not see the point.

They are using one dude sinking some ships in OW as a reason to target the smallest nation. Lol 

[RedNeckMilkMan]

1 hour ago, Batman said:

So much drama about a simple port battle ...

You are targeting the smallest nations de facto capital. Kind of a dick move.

[Batman]

9 minutes ago, RedNeckMilkMan said:

They are using one dude sinking some ships in OW as a reason to target the smallest nation. Lol 

Nah. He always made clear that the is never part of the deal.

 

6 minutes ago, RedNeckMilkMan said:

You are targeting the smallest nations de facto capital. Kind of a dick move.

Only testing mechanics for "impossible" nations.

[vazco]

22 minutes ago, RedNeckMilkMan said:

They are using one dude sinking some ships in OW as a reason to target the smallest nation. Lol 

The smallest nation is Prussia, Commonwealth is second smallest.

[RedNeckMilkMan]

1 minute ago, Batman said:

Nah. He always made clear that the is never part of the deal.

Iroquois is one of the main reasons for this move (at least on my part) as he kept shitting on the agreement made between GB and Poland.

You said in our battle the other day you didn't care if Poland lost all their ports as you were based out of free towns, what changed? - Gregory Rainsborough in this thread.