Lord Hood Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Just bringing this topic back to light with the possible wild card. Support for HMS Barfleur please otherwise stay quiet lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Smith Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 You may wish to consider the french vessel Le Mars an 80 gun second rate. A detailed model can be seen, from different perspectives, here and here http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66592.html . It was eventually captured by the British. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duc_d%27Anville_Expedition . I like this one. Model looks amazing as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Oh my. Someone needs to rescue that poor model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Christian VII is the finest here 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hood Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 HMS Barfleur is the finest I'll have you know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsafer Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 We need a French ship added to the game so I will vote for a 2nd rate french vessel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krasimir Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Le Mars was tonnant class with no information about its servise according to french wikipedia. There is HMS Mars 80 gunner but it is different ship launched 1848 (bit too late in timeframe). The model in Greenwich indeed looks like tonnant althrough its description states that includes fittings of both french and english designs and refrains of classing the model mentioning that its probably not made to scale. Im making Bucentaure class 3d model tho, Ill make a post when i have more progress 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Balsafer i can agree a french 2nd rate is what we need but Christian VII is norwegian so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernWolves Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I'm feeling this right now: 1. Christian VII 2. Bucentaure 3. HMS Barfleur 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir. Cunningham Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Admin, Considering that the Christian VII. finished 4th in the recent 2015 ship poll, wouldn't it then make sense to add this as the games' first 2nd rate? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hood Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Or we could put HMS Barfleur in and I shall donate money to have it done Mind you adding both would be a plus too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir. Cunningham Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Or we could put HMS Barfleur in and I shall donate money to have it done Mind you adding both would be a plus too! Well we already so many British ships, so let's get one from another nation first, for diversity's sake That's not to say I wouldn't love to see HMS Barfleur ingame, I surely would, she's a fantastic looking ship (no less attractive than the Christian VII), but I'd just like to see the Christian VII in first for the sake of diversity 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueEagleGER Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Total support the Christian VII. She is the most wanted second rate, and with 90 guns perfectly closes the gap between the 74 Bellona (or the upcoming 80 Bucentaure) and the 106 Victory. Furthermore it would be nice to have a flagship of a nation that wasn't involved in the Battle of Trafalgar but in the one of Copenhagen. And she is the most beautiful threedecker I've seen so far. Blue-EagleGer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austrum Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Total support the Christian VII. She is the most wanted second rate, and with 90 guns perfectly closes the gap between the 74 Bellona (or the upcoming 80 Bucentaure) and the 106 Victory. Furthermore it would be nice to have a flagship of a nation that wasn't involved in the Battle of Trafalgar but in the one of Copenhagen. And she is the most beautiful threedecker I've seen so far. Blue-EagleGer I think the issue isn't so much that the Christian VII wouldn't be a great fit or isn't popular, rather they seem to be looking for a very Generic looking 2nd rate with no distinguishing characteristics. Why I don't know but that seems to be what they want. Christian VII might have a little too much character for what they are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazednConfused Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 isn't Kasmir modelling the 80 gun Bucentaure? if so this debate should be merged with his thread -which shows his progress to date, or rename this thread 'which 2nd rate should we have next?' cheers Dazed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hood Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 An 80 gun vessel is technically a third rate (according to the Royal Navy rated system) so that wouldn't be applicable for a second rated ship (this is referencing the time of the Bucentaure as ships from the 1740s and earlier would have fallen into the second rate category of 80 guns yet the Bucentaure comes a great deal later than that). I can't recall if 80 guns comes under a second rate for the French system however although I don't believe that it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_86 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 But the WIP Bucentaure is a player project, not a G-L's work, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazednConfused Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) bear in mind that it could easily carry more than 80 at one point it had 86. also look at tonnant when the brits took her - depending on the captain it varied from 84 to near 90. regardless. it would be n nice to have both a 2 deck and 3 deck 2nd rate. apparently the 2 deckers were very good sailers. ps. does it matter if its made by a player if it is compatible with the game? frees devs for other ships or the open world Edited February 26, 2015 by DazednConfused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMS Scatter Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) HMS St Michael Class and type: 1719 Establishment (1732 rebuild) 90-gun second rate ship of the line Tons burthen: 1,567 long tons (1,592.1 t) Length: 164 ft (50 m) (gundeck) Beam: 47 ft 2 in (14.38 m) Depth of hold: 18 ft 10 in (5.74 m) Propulsion: Sails Sail plan: Full rigged ship Armament: 90 guns: Gundeck: 26 × 32 pdrs Middle gundeck: 26 × 18 pdrs Upper gundeck: 26 × 9 pdrs Quarterdeck: 10 × 6 pdrs Forecastle: 2 × 6 pdrs Edited April 1, 2015 by HMS Scatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMS Scatter Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) HMS Royal Katherine Class and type: 1741 proposals (1749 rebuild) 90-gun second rate ship of the line Tons burthen: 1689 tons bm Length: 168 ft (51 m) (gundeck) Beam: 48 ft (15 m) Depth of hold: 20 ft 2 in (6.15 m) Propulsion: Sails Sail plan: Full rigged ship Armament: 90 guns: Gundeck: 26 × 32 pdrs Middle gundeck: 26 × 18 pdrs Upper gundeck: 26 × 12 pdrs Quarterdeck: 10 × 6 pdrs Forecastle: 2 × 6 pdrs Edited April 1, 2015 by HMS Scatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMS Scatter Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) Could there also be Fourth rates in the game at some time please????? Edited April 1, 2015 by HMS Scatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/3750-list-of-ships-and-other-vessels-in-the-game/ If you have a close look at Brigand's sheet you can see what kind of ships are either in game or in development. There is already a 3rd/ 4th rate in development. The "Ingermanland". Why 3rd/ 4th? Because depending on the time you look at it you can classify this hsip as either of both. In the early 1700 the Ingermanland would be a typical 3rd rate whereas in the late 1700s or 1800 you would classify her as an 4th rate due to its age. This post does not need a reply if you think it answered your question. Keep this topic on the focus of 2nd rates. If you want to suggest other ships feel free to open threads. But make sure you open a NEW ship's thread. Many forum users did a lot of work finding ships. And you can already find lots of 4th rates and their plans for example. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMS Scatter Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Thanks for that. Help a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iñigo Montoya Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 A bit early, but quite interesting ship: Nuestra Señora de la Concepción y las Ánimas, 1688. 94 guns:28 18 pounders26 12 pounders 24 8 pounders12 6 pounders4 4 pounders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iñigo Montoya Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 A ship with a much richer history and a long and successful career: Rayo (San Pedro Apostol), 1768 It spent much of her life as an 80-gun ship, but for Trafalgar was already armed with 100 guns. It was the oldest ship to participate that battle. As 80-gun ship 30 24 pounders32 18 pounders18 8 pounders2 3 pounders As a 100-gun ship 30 36 pounders32 24 pounders30 8 pounders4 4 pounders4 28 pd carronades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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