Hotfix for patch 13. Le Gros Ventre Refit + Swivels!!!

[Red Dragon 13]

Admin said " large hp and speed and br rebalance is coming. "

 

Any ETA for this?

[Sir Texas Sir]

12 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

It is about speed exploit reported and tested by me and my friends. I discovered it recently, although I heard rumors about it about a year ago, so it could have been used by some players for months. 

By the use of manual sails you could increase the speed on these ships by .5 knots and in extreme situations by 2 knots. That way I was able to make my LGV Refit reach a crazy speed of 15.5 knots which in fact was broken, so we reported it. As a result, the square sails plan got changed so it affected sailing profile, making it much worse than before. Apparently it's unwanted side effect, but reality is that LGV and especially Refit became useless ships now. Their power has turned into their weakness now.

LGV Refit:

-bad sailing profile

-very low firepower (10x 9pd longs)

-very weak HP (just like surprise)

-has only 3 knowledge slots

-has weak masts

-worse sailing profile than normal LGV

+nice paint

+smuggler flag use (considered as abuse by others)

+decent cargo capacity

So your saying that some one that actually knows how to sail and not some noob gets more speed out of it?  Shouldn't it be that way any way?  I mean if you want the top performance out of your ship you need to tweek it to get that out of it.  I honestly don't see issues with getting more speed out of someting by doing it manually instead of auto.  Just about every game that has a auto or manual feature allows you to get just a bit more out of something over the guy that leaves it on auto.

I what is the cargo of the PLVG?  Half the normal right?  Does it get more crew too?  The only added guns are the swivals so if I get less cargo space I better have more guns and more crew.  

3 hours ago, admin said:

This was not a change per se. it was a fix of a bug that was creating abnormal curves improving speeds at some angles. 
We are fully prepared to the Wasa forum fallout once its curves and accels/decels will change.

Wasa should never have been brought in at the same BR as the other 4th rates.  You brought the Aggy and Wappen in at a higher BR and than balanced them off feed back from game player.  That is ya'lls mistake for just throwing it out to every one. When one ship/tank/build becomes meta and that is all the players use there is an issue.  Many of us on Testbed warned you it's going to be a problem. I actually don't mind the Wasa it just needs a Higher BR to put it with the 3rd Rate as they almost have the same stats gun/armor wise.   Than maybe drop it's speed just a bit.   Bring back the old stats of the Connie and Aggy and I think you will have it a lot closer to being balanced.

As for changes it's a long list of things that making me loose interest in the game.  Removing Pirates vs PIrates and this pretty much just topping it off and being burned out a bit from having all our clan leadership leave pretty much to go play other games.  You constantly take thigns out and not replace them with soemthing else and that looses players.  Prime example....WHAT THE HELL IS PAINTS?  why have they been removed if you are changing the system than why can't we have paints until the new system comes out. You be suprised how many folks actually tell me they would simply come back for freaking paints....lol

Though I'll be bluntly honest having nno pirates mechancis over a national is what making me loose interest in this game. If I wanted to play a National I would roll a national.  Hell I would roll Prussian, but won't do it unless I have a means to change that chars name. I kinda want to disappear from being a Pirate and known and just play something else for a while.  Ya'll really should come out with some namechange tokens. I'm sitting on 4 forged papers on all my chars but won't change any of them from pirates unless I can change there names.

2 hours ago, Zoky said:

@admin Be very careful with re-balance. I propose that you do it in stages in order to avoid more mess. Start with wasa. Nerf speed and lets see how it will affect state of game.

I'm really suprsied they haven't gotten a few of us on testbed to test out some of these chanages, thought that was the point of it.  You don't need every one on there.  Hell I'm not realy into the game right now but I would pop in for a few hours every other day on testbed to actualy test out new things.

18 minutes ago, Vile Executioner said:

just remove sail force mods from game. nothing will be insanely fast anymore lol

Part of that problem is the stacking.  Just like they have a limit on the refit mods.  Maybe have a limit where you can only stack one refit mod and one ship knowledge. It's when folks are stacking multy sail force that they are getting some crazy speeds.

 

[Liq]

Would be funny (maybe for na legends) to have a game mode without any auto skipper - you want to have a decent speed after turning? Better turn those yards

back in the day you didnt have a machine automatically adjusting the rigging for best results

[Hodo]

9 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

I would only worry about macros doing it automatically. I know players using those right now.

What?!  Players using a program to reduce the amount of clicking to gain an advantage!!!  Say it isn't so!

 

[George Washington]

20 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

I would only worry about macros doing it automatically. I know players using those right now.

I use Macro to auto turn sails by clicking one button. Does it make me better? No. Faster? and more precise? yes. Sorry, but I hate holding my fingers like I have seizures just to manual turn sails. 

Edited November 14, 2017 by George Washington

[George Washington]

8 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

Well, it is supposed to be about skill and experience, not machine doing it automatically for us. A big challenge for Devs to design something like that.

Auto sail should do everything Manual sail can do, past 90 degrees sails should turn to the right turn through the wind position. It doesn't and this is why new guys suck and get killed or get stuck dead in the wind. Eventually leaving the game for good. You telling me they can't program auto sail to mimic manual sailing? 

Edited November 14, 2017 by George Washington

[Zoky]

45 minutes ago, Liq said:

back in the day you didnt have a machine automatically adjusting the rigging for best results

You are completely right, they only had bunch of officers responsible for proper operation of ship 

[Hethwill]

9 minutes ago, Zoky said:

You are completely right, they only had bunch of officers responsible for proper operation of ship 

The more people "interpreting" orders the more chances to something going not entirely as expected

oh...wait...that sound oddly familiar.

[Busterbloodvessel]

There has been a clamour for some time for the Pirates to have a game play all of their own, rather than just another Nation at play. Some Pirates (and no doubt some others in Nations) have made a life of PvP spurning PvE and RvR. Two examples are ALOHA (spit) and RUBLI.

I dislike being ganked as much as the next guy but I believe the refitLGV opened a window on what the Pirate game could be and how it may enter the game along with lots of ideas elsewhere on the forums.  Neither ALOHA (spit again) or RUBLI take any real interest in RVR. The refit offered a hit and run ship they needed to suit their gameplay and whilst the refitLGV was able to outrun, too easily, most anything else I do believe that this gave some players a suitable ship to straighten their warped minds around (:)). I am therefore both pleased (due to personal ship loss!), and sad, to see the refitLGV castrated. Clearly it was giving some players a Pirate PvP game to play AND WE NEED PLAYERS, even some of the mean minded ones! So, if nerfing the refitLGV is required, the devs would do well to take great care to balance the ship rather than just to correct some ship data. 

Buster (Не пират) 

Edited November 14, 2017 by Busterbloodvessel

[Christendom]

5 hours ago, George Washington said:

I use Macro to auto turn sails by clicking one button. Does it make me better? No. Faster? and more precise? yes. Sorry, but I hate holding my fingers like I have seizures just to manual turn sails. 

Mind describing how the macro works?  No drama, just curious the advantage to using 1 button vs 2

[Hodo]

Speaking of down wind sailing in a fore-aft rigged ship....

Why cant we have pole out sailing be a thing for them?

[Christendom]

8 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

1. Macro is very precise, does not commit human mistakes

2. It helps some people with multitasking and micromanagement (handle more operations/actions at the same time). Thus, they can focus more on aiming, shooting etc.

3. Some people are just lazy

Are we talking just like a 1 hit button to Auto Tack sails a certain direction?

[Christendom]

1 minute ago, Peter Goldman said:

Yes, pretty much. You set a custom button for left manual turning or right manual turning.

Hmmm. I’d find that maybe less precise.   It’d come in handy dual boxing I guess.  

[George Washington]

15 hours ago, Christendom said:

Mind describing how the macro works?  No drama, just curious the advantage to using 1 button vs 2

I got laptop with built in app in it. 

Q , C delay F or E , Z delay F ... you have to map all the keys that you are pressing into one button, so when you press it will repeat everything you did .

For example I start turning and hit Turn to right Macro , it is timed to do a perfect sail turn and reset when I reach 90 or I can reset myself with F when needed. It very fast, but takes time to get everything right. You will need to play with values until you find that perfect spot. 

 

Edited November 15, 2017 by George Washington

[Christendom]

37 minutes ago, Wraith said:

Macros for manual sailing? No wonder some people are so bad at PvP...

Kidding aside, for anyone who doesn't have a disability, I fail to understand what is so hard about double tapping your rudder or sails key to fix them in max position? (Even that is inefficient and isn't good practice for eking out speed, but it surely is less hassle that using macros and will produce better results...)

Yea that's what I was trying to figure out.  Seems like it would make you slower overall going through the wind.  

[George Washington]

44 minutes ago, Wraith said:

Macros for manual sailing? No wonder some people are so bad at PvP...

Kidding aside, for anyone who doesn't have a disability, I fail to understand what is so hard about double tapping your rudder or sails key to fix them in max position? (Even that is inefficient and isn't good practice for eking out speed, but it surely is less hassle that using macros and will produce better results...)

I double tab the rudder and hit 1 button and I flip like a dream. Also, I don't want to develop disability using manual sailing in game, no thanks. 

Edited November 15, 2017 by George Washington

[Hethwill]

8 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

Seems like most players don't understand how macro works, heh.

I like the Rise of Flight per plane axis response graphs. Can I have a macro that works like that for the sails ?

[Hethwill]

5 minutes ago, Peter Goldman said:

I've never used macros for NA and I got no idea what Rise of Flight is  Actually sorry, I did use macro. I used it to buy/sell stuff in shop or craft, these that only can be done in small quantities like 16x Rudder Parts and I needed 1000...

Something like this. I know some mouses might have it, dunno

[Sir Texas Sir]

3 hours ago, Wraith said:

Macros for manual sailing? No wonder some people are so bad at PvP...

Kidding aside, for anyone who doesn't have a disability, I fail to understand what is so hard about double tapping your rudder or sails key to fix them in max position? (Even that is inefficient and isn't good practice for eking out speed, but it surely is less hassle that using macros and will produce better results...)

It's all fun and games until your fat stubby mechanic fingers hit the wrong keys....lol

[DeRuyter]

20 hours ago, Hodo said:

Speaking of down wind sailing in a fore-aft rigged ship....

Why cant we have pole out sailing be a thing for them?

The F&A rigged ships in NA already have square sails for downwind sailing some more than others (Pickle, Prince). Having said that you used to be able to wing and wing before the change in controls to the foremast. IMO the topsail yard should have a separate control from the foresail.

[Hodo]

Just now, Peter Goldman said:

I can't use manual sails for gunboat, ship is broken... @admin

Gunboat isnt even in the game anymore.  lol the tears would be epic if it were.

Edited November 15, 2017 by Hodo

[Hodo]

3 minutes ago, DeRuyter said:

The F&A rigged ships in NA already have square sails for downwind sailing some more than others (Pickle, Prince). Having said that you used to be able to wing and wing before the change in controls to the foremast. IMO the topsail yard should have a separate control from the foresail.

I used to do it with my Lynx before the patch.  But it doesnt help like it should.

[randommexi]

back to the old way eh...  make changes to the game and then NOT publish those said changes....  losing faith again.

[Quineloe]

18 hours ago, Coraline Vodka said:

You know you can double tap, A  and D for locked rudder? Same works for yards double tap Q,E Z,C  to lock the yard hard over. A macro you are describing will not work well do to varied turn rates of ships and a macro won't know when one sail is overturned.

I'd much rather disable the double tap mechanic and have locked rudder on seperate hotkeys. I have enough of those on my keyboard.

[jodgi]

15 hours ago, The Red Duke said:

I like the Rise of Flight per plane axis response graphs. Can I have a macro that works like that for the sails ?

I'd get out my throttle quadrant and put foremast on throttle, main on prop and rudder on mixture. It might end up being a hassle but I'd love to try it out.