admin Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Captains. We need to fill 3 gaps in the ship line up. Please propose ships for the consideration. Requirements in broadside guns Light frigates 32-36 guns (we have no ships in this range) Heavy frigates 50-60 guns (we only have trincomalee and constitution in this range) 3rd rates 70-80 guns (we only have 1.5 ships in this range) All other gun counts will not be considered Nation preference Dutch Portuguese Venetian Other great models will also be allowed but we would prefer underrepresented nations. Important update We won't accept long lists of ships. We want YOU to make a choice. Lists will be ignored. Please if you are interested in a certain ship getting into a game. List that ship alone. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major General La Fayette Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, admin said: 3rd rates 70-80 guns (we only have 1.5 ships range) Le Redoutable, the ship that fought the HMS Victory at Trafalgar and almost boarded it, also the ship that "killed" Nelson.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Redoutable_(1791) More than 100 ships of this class were built (Téméraire class), some fought for the Royal Navy, Spanish Navy, Dutch Navy and obviously, the French Navy. They were built in many famous cities like Toulon, Brest, Rochefort, Lorient, Cherbourg (France), Antwerp (Flanders), Vlissingen, Amsterdam (Netherlands), Genoa (Italy) and also Venice. This is the most numerous class of capital ship ever built, it SHOULD be in the game. Here at Trafalgar (middle) between HMS Victory (left) and HMS Temeraire (right). Edited August 30, 2017 by Major General La Fayette 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) Delft (Dutch) Delft was a Dutch 56-gun fourth rate ship of the line of the navy of the Dutch Republic and the Batavian Republic [...]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_ship_Delft_(1783) Edited August 30, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) For Dutch, The Vrijheid 74 gun The 7 Provinciën 74 gun Prins Friso 50 gun The Leeuwenhorst/Edam 56 gun slighty lower gun count but unkown 30 gun for more Dutch ships look at this thanks to steel For more ships take a look at the link: Edited August 31, 2017 by pietjenoob 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegfried Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) Sorry for the offtopic, but Spain would be after Dutch in preference. I know that we have 1 ship now and other in production, but Spain have a faction ingame adn was a great navy in that era. Denmark have another ship in production too. Montañes would be a perfect election for the 3rd rate. Edited August 30, 2017 by Siegfried 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, pietjenoob said: for more Dutch ships look at this Thank you could you please bring names and pics for ships in the required gun range - this is a specific ship suggestion topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Intrepido said: What? Why not Spain? hard requirement is for guns for nation we prefer the listed nations but would consider other interesting models as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1 minute ago, admin said: Thank you could you please bring names and pics for ships in the required gun range - this is a specific ship suggestion topic I shall as soon i am back of work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Frias Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) "Montañes" (3rd rate, Spain) one of the fastest ships of the line ever built https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_ship_Montañés_(1794) Edited August 30, 2017 by Pablo Frias 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Washington Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) My top choices I would love to see in the game. 'Foudroyant' 80 Gun 3rd Rate La Révolutionnaire 40 Gun Frigate 'Independence' (Razeed) Heavy 50 Gun Frigate 'Roebuck' - 44 Gun Frigate 'Arethusa' 38 Gun Frigate (Heavy war Action) 'Raleigh' 32 Gun Frigate 'Sibylle' 38 Gun Frigate 'Unknown' 50 Gun Heavy Frigate 'Ilderim/Pommern' 38 Gun Frigate 'Stralsund' 32 Gun Frigate Edited August 30, 2017 by George Washington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Imma go ahead and propose the 80 gun wreker class Ship of the Line! (this is pre conversion to a 90 gunner) Ps. yes imma go for dutch ships, dutch been IMHO severely unrepresented in NA for ages now... 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chakal16 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 3rd - Montañés (Spain) Frigate - Le Muiron (Venetian) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) L'Unité (Alternative names : La Cornélie, La Touterelle, La Républicaine, La Fidèle) French Revolution 9-pdr corvette 30+ guns 1794 A way to get a Light frigate is to adapt in-game HMS Surprise (38 guns) to make a lighter version, that is the French ship before capture, L'Unité (1794) : Armament : (historical) 24 x 9-pd (Gun deck), 6 x 6-pd (Weather deck) (Source : Jean Boudriot, Historique de la corvette, La Créole 1827, p. 38) (in-game suggestion) 24 x 9-pd + 8-10 x 6-pd Name her L'Unité on the stern or La Cornélie, La Touterelle, La Républicaine, La Fidèle (her sister ships) Give her a different paint scheme than HMS Surprise To distinguish her from HMS Surprise a bit more, you might also add a figurehead as she most likely had one and that'd embody the ship name (for L'Unité, the Unity of the Nation against the Enemy...) Example : figurehead of French Revolution 40-gun frigate La Poursuivante ('The Chaser') built in 1796 (spear and shield missing ?) http://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/9806?vc=ePkH4LF7w6yelGA1iLESKelDn-gElxIANB61KjU2M0Src02M4BU4XDnBeAMAZJRF9Q$$ Edited October 8, 2017 by LeBoiteux 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_Ka Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 La Galeasse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) deleted as she's not my favorite ship Edited September 6, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 The main 4 postings for Venetian ships are I have some very large plans of a couple of the Venetian ships available but haven't had the time or ability to upload them yet, if anyone wants me to look into some of the smaller ships I will gladly do so, I have posted some of the brigs and cutters from late Venice and there is a model of a polacca circulating too. I have been waiting for this post since forever but why couldn't you have done it yesterday when I was able to properly react to it with some proper research Good to see more ships will be under development soon, I will do almost anything to squeeze fama in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, Rickard said: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/NG-MC-651 This model shows the appearance of a Dutch warship in the late 17th century. It was made at the dockyards of Vlissingen (Flushing), where real warships were also built. These would have been more than twelve times larger than this model. This ship has 74 guns. The model was displayed in the council chamber of the Admiralty of Zeeland in Middelburg. Dont get me started on that, its a no-no for this game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nielsnnk Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, SteelSandwich said: Dont get me started on that, its a no-no for this game. why not, we got the wappen, so they cant say its not in the time frame Edited August 30, 2017 by NielsVisser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Well to Further expand my post Diana, 32 guns, 1808, http://i.imgur.com/1TfwVUS.png, http://i.imgur.com/ChsrfGy.png Heldin, 32 guns, 1796, http://i.imgur.com/T99Be1g.png Juno, 32 guns, 1797, http://imgur.com/7qKFGBG, http://i.imgur.com/6eGfL9R.png Castor, 36 guns, 1758, http://i.imgur.com/TyAMiY4.jpg Jason, 36 guns, 1772, http://i.imgur.com/ZhvLUK8.jpg Minerva, 36 guns, 1790, http://i.imgur.com/AZMkDww.jpg Prinses Frederika Louise Wilhelmina, 36 guns, 1789, http://i.imgur.com/gPn8FDf.png 't Hof van St. Janskerke, 36 guns, 1733, http://i.imgur.com/8e8skWa.jpg Unknown, 56 guns, 1806, http://imgur.com/g2HOgZi Hilverbeek, 50 guns, 1729, http://i.imgur.com/JesJ4vh.png Leiderdorp, 50 guns, 1731, http://i.imgur.com/K80ZncC.png Westerdijkshorn, 50 guns, 1728, http://i.imgur.com/qX5wzbY.png Brederode, 52 guns, 1731, http://imgur.com/8nEMdNV, http://i.imgur.com/ryNH8j3.png Boekenroode, 52 guns, 1733, http://i.imgur.com/n45rGWQ.png, http://imgur.com/qMHo0Nc Prinses Frederika Louisa Wilhelmina, 54 guns, 1779, http://i.imgur.com/BD8veqw.jpg Brakel & Delft, 56 guns, 1783, http://i.imgur.com/I80KmBO.jpg Leeuwenhorst & Edam, 56 guns, 1742, http://i.imgur.com/O5dpNgS.png Twickel, 56 guns, 1726, http://i.imgur.com/B2QIg1D.jpg (missing the hull lines but should be similair to others Dotrecht, 58 guns, 1739, http://i.imgur.com/B2QIg1D.jpg Schiedam, 58 guns, 1739, http://i.imgur.com/B2QIg1D.jpg Stadt en Lande, 72 guns, 1798, http://i.imgur.com/FP0Wsdu.jpg Haarlem, 74 guns, 1790, http://i.imgur.com/YWMMBDy.png, http://i.imgur.com/SuvIFIB.png Prins Maurits, 76 guns, 1783, http://i.imgur.com/Mi1c8bh.png, http://i.imgur.com/6z5rTYT.png Washington, 76 guns, 1795, http://i.imgur.com/eA9nmEt.png, http://imgur.com/g4Hmoai De Maas, 78 guns, 1728, http://i.imgur.com/0h2VO7Y.jpg (missing the hull lines but should be similair to others Chattam, 80 guns, 1799, http://i.imgur.com/Cj059jS.png De Leeuw, 80, guns 1804, http://i.imgur.com/kkEwHR0.jpg Wreker, 80 guns, 1797, http://i.imgur.com/zHu4L8F.png, http://i.imgur.com/IteOKh6.png Admiraal de Ruyter and Admiraal Zoutman (pre-refit) is the same as the Wreker only a difference in bow figure and stern gallery, http://imgur.com/kzonf70, http://imgur.com/GyO9req, http://imgur.com/GIaj3fV Dutch build ships, but captured by the British, some have changed apperance Mars, 32 guns, 1769, http://i.imgur.com/Xddxbd2.jpg Prinses Carolina, 52 guns, 1748, http://i.imgur.com/Eu6td1j.jpg Rotterdam, 52 guns, 1761, http://i.imgur.com/UI6OLnJ.jpg I have not included the Dutch Merchantships with the same amount of guns as the requirment since it is not clear/requested that they want such ship 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) deleted as she is not my favorite ship Edited September 8, 2017 by LeBoiteux 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Washington Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) Will leave these here. You also might find them useful. These should be ideal and affordable for 'Frigate' wars in NA, if you ever plan to put more work in that field. Concorde Class 12-lb, 32 guns Frigates 1777 Concorde 1777 Charmante - Unite as taken 1796 1777 Magicienne - uncertain if this is as-taken or recommissioned 1777 Iphigenie (Guignace) 1766 Dedaigneuse - 1780 Belle Poule before up-gun and refit as a 36-gunner 1768 Atalante (1794 HMS Espion as refit for RN service) 1777 Nymphe 1777 Sibylle - Drawings for class-member Nereide as taken 1779 Galatee (first 3) - HMS Pique 1779 Galatee (last 3, aka 1793 Charente Inferieure class) - HMS Tribune, Renommee or Decade, up-gunned version version of the same hull 1779 Venus - Drawing for class-member Cleopatre 1794 Coquille - HMS Dedaigneuse 1798 Heureuse - HMS Chiffonne Edited August 30, 2017 by George Washington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) Carolina Italian/Austro-Hungarian 34 guns 1808 Probably her in 1818: High res plans here:https://www.dropbox.com/s/zsbkvjmtp8ul2fe/CAROLINA%20%281%29.pdf?dl=0 Edited September 6, 2017 by Sella22 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knobby Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 what ever you do, pls pls pls make a dutch ship finally... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 So my time has come. Finally. All of the plans I present can be found here: I hereby present you the wreker class, dutch ship of the line in her 80-gun config: The Chattam (sistership of the Admiraal de Ruyter!) You could also name her Admiral de Ruyter and adjust her decoration to match the admiral's look. Cause the hull and all is the same. https://skfb.ly/6n7Kx (I merely excuse the white colouring - its textureless and thats what sketchfab deems "fitting" to such vessels) Its modeled from the plans of the "Chattam" and adjusted amongst this wooden model: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/search/objects?q=chattam&p=1&ps=12&st=OBJECTS&ii=5#/NG-MC-1257,5 and her interieur: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/search/objects?q=chattam&p=1&ps=12&st=OBJECTS&ii=3#/NG-MC-505,3 next up, for everyone who follows my sketchfab there are no surprises: A dutch 32 gun frigate, armed with 12 pound cannons and a few 36s carronades on her quarterdecks: The Euridice: https://skfb.ly/YXMH Modeled from her actual plans and adjusted amongst her model which you can find in the rijksmuseum, too. https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/search/objects?q=euridice&p=1&ps=12&st=OBJECTS&ii=1#/NG-MC-663,1 http://warshipsresearch.blogspot.de/2014/04/dutch-frigate-zr-ms-euridice-guard-ship.html http://vestinghellevoetsluis.nl/index.php/vestingwerken-voorne/zeemacht/alg-zeemacht/134-model-van-s-lands-schip-euridice Next up we have a series of corvets that feature 12 pounders as primary armament (12s only, mind you): The Venus: All credits to Steel and his amazing writeup: https://skfb.ly/YH6N As said - armed with 12 pounders and a compliment of around 120ish men. There is a thread about her: Also the dutch made a proper bombard variant out of that class of ships:https://skfb.ly/UIAI So much for my dutch lineup. If you want something danish. There is a 18 pounder frigate called The Freja: https://skfb.ly/66MxX Her according thread: And for all that want to go crazy: The Spiran https://skfb.ly/6rIQs 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Dog. Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) I really dislike only seeing specific ships, I would love to see classes of ships and several examples of the Class of ship. Consider the "3rd Rate" and the "Bellona": The "3rd Rate (Bellona class)" is a class but the "Bellona" was a specific ship of the "3rd Rate(Bellona Class)" generic type. Wouldn't it make more sense to spend time modeling out a generic class (say "Dutch 3rd Rate" or "Dutch light frigate") then using the generic model to produce several specific ships of that class. Each ship sharing the same model but having slightly different stats...one slightly faster/less armor...one with a little more armor/slower speed....one that turns slightly faster/heels more....one that has slightly larger guns/masts turns slower....ect.... Then change a few small details on the model like paint, figurehead, stern design for each version of the generic class? With the same request of three ship CLASSES... it would be easy to knock out 12-15 specific ships of the "generic ship"+ several specific ships of that class. Heck Use the "3rd rate" model, change the figureheads and scrollwork on the stern, slightly change the base stats and produce the HMS Dragon, HMS Superb, HMS Kent, and HMS Defence in addition to the HMS Bellona. Edited August 30, 2017 by Salty Dog on Global 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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