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Captains. We need to fill 3 gaps in the ship line up.

Please propose ships for the consideration. 

Requirements in broadside guns

  • Light frigates 32-36 guns (we have no ships in this range)
  • Heavy frigates 50-60 guns (we only have trincomalee and constitution in this range)
  • 3rd rates 70-80 guns (we only have 1.5 ships in this range)

All other gun counts will not be considered

Nation preference

  • Dutch
  • Portuguese
  • Venetian

Other great models will also be allowed but we would prefer underrepresented nations. 

 

Important update

We won't accept long lists of ships. We want YOU to make a choice. Lists will be ignored. Please if you are interested in a certain ship getting into a game. List that ship alone. 

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Captains. We need to fill 3 gaps in the ship line up. Please propose ships for the consideration.  Requirements in broadside guns Light frigates 32-36 guns (we have no ships in this rang

For Dutch, The Vrijheid 74 gun   The 7 Provinciën 74 gun Prins Friso 50 gun The Leeuwenhorst/Edam 56 gun   slighty lower gun count but unkown 30 gun  

Le Redoutable, the ship that fought the HMS Victory at Trafalgar and almost boarded it, also the ship that "killed" Nelson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Redoutable_(1791) More than 100

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42 minutes ago, admin said:

3rd rates 70-80 guns (we only have 1.5 ships range)

Le Redoutable, the ship that fought the HMS Victory at Trafalgar and almost boarded it, also the ship that "killed" Nelson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Redoutable_(1791)

More than 100 ships of this class were built (Téméraire class), some fought for the Royal Navy, Spanish Navy, Dutch Navy and obviously, the French Navy. They were built in many famous cities like Toulon, Brest, Rochefort, Lorient, Cherbourg (France), Antwerp (Flanders), Vlissingen, Amsterdam (Netherlands), Genoa (Italy) and also Venice.
This is the most numerous class of capital ship ever built, it SHOULD be in the game.


Here at Trafalgar (middle) between HMS Victory (left) and HMS Temeraire (right).

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For Dutch,

The Vrijheid 74 gun

 

The 7 Provinciën 74 gun

Prins Friso 50 gun

The Leeuwenhorst/Edam 56 gun

 

slighty lower gun count

but unkown 30 gun

 

for more Dutch ships look at this

thanks to steel

For more ships take a look at the link: 

 

 

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Sorry for the offtopic, but Spain would be after Dutch in preference. I know that we have 1 ship now and other in production, but Spain have a faction ingame adn was a great navy in that era. Denmark have another ship in production too.

Montañes would be a perfect election for the 3rd rate.

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5 minutes ago, pietjenoob said:

 

for more Dutch ships look at this

Thank you
could you please bring names and pics for ships in the required gun range - this is a specific ship suggestion topic

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My top choices I would love to see in the game. 

'Foudroyant' 80 Gun 3rd Rate

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La Révolutionnaire 40 Gun Frigate

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'Independence' (Razeed) Heavy 50 Gun Frigate

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'Roebuck' - 44 Gun Frigate

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'Arethusa' 38 Gun Frigate (Heavy war Action)

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'Raleigh' 32 Gun Frigate

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'Sibylle' 38 Gun Frigate

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'Unknown' 50 Gun Heavy Frigate

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'Ilderim/Pommern' 38 Gun Frigate

 

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'Stralsund' 32 Gun Frigate

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Imma go ahead and propose the 80 gun wreker class Ship of the Line!  (this is pre conversion to a 90 gunner)

Ps. yes imma go for dutch ships, dutch been IMHO severely unrepresented in NA for ages now...

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L'Unité

(Alternative names : La Cornélie, La Touterelle, La Républicaine, La Fidèle)

French Revolution 9-pdr corvette

30+ guns

1794

A way to get a Light frigate is to adapt in-game HMS Surprise (38 guns) to make a lighter version, that is the French ship before capture, L'Unité (1794) :

  • Armament : 
    • (historical) 24 x 9-pd (Gun deck), 6  x 6-pd (Weather deck) (Source : Jean Boudriot, Historique de la corvette, La Créole 1827, p. 38)
    • (in-game suggestion) 24 x 9-pd + 8-10  x 6-pd
  • Name her L'Unité on the stern or La Cornélie, La Touterelle, La Républicaine, La Fidèle (her sister ships)
  • Give her a different paint scheme than HMS Surprise
  • To distinguish her from HMS Surprise a bit more, you might also add a figurehead as she most likely had one and that'd embody the ship name (for L'Unité, the Unity of the Nation against the Enemy...)

 

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Example : figurehead of French Revolution 40-gun frigate La Poursuivante ('The Chaser') built in 1796

(spear and shield missing ?)

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http://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/9806?vc=ePkH4LF7w6yelGA1iLESKelDn-gElxIANB61KjU2M0Src02M4BU4XDnBeAMAZJRF9Q$$

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The main 4 postings for Venetian ships are

 

I have some very large plans of a couple of the Venetian ships available but haven't had the time or ability to upload them yet, if anyone wants me to look into some of the smaller ships I will gladly do so, I have posted some of the brigs and cutters from late Venice and there is a model of a polacca circulating too.

I have been waiting for this post since forever but why couldn't you have done it yesterday when I was able to properly react to it with some proper research :D

Good to see more ships will be under development soon, I will do almost anything to squeeze fama in ;)

 

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18 minutes ago, Rickard said:

 

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/NG-MC-651

This model shows the appearance of a Dutch warship in the late 17th century. It was made at the dockyards of Vlissingen (Flushing), where real warships were also built. These would have been more than twelve times larger than this model. This ship has 74 guns. The model was displayed in the council chamber of the Admiralty of Zeeland in Middelburg.

Dont get me started on that, its a no-no for this game.

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Well to Further expand my post

Diana, 32 guns, 1808, http://i.imgur.com/1TfwVUS.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/ChsrfGy.png

Heldin, 32 guns, 1796, http://i.imgur.com/T99Be1g.png

Juno, 32 guns, 1797, http://imgur.com/7qKFGBGhttp://i.imgur.com/6eGfL9R.png

Castor, 36 guns, 1758, http://i.imgur.com/TyAMiY4.jpg

Jason, 36 guns, 1772, http://i.imgur.com/ZhvLUK8.jpg

Minerva, 36 guns, 1790, http://i.imgur.com/AZMkDww.jpg

Prinses Frederika Louise Wilhelmina, 36 guns, 1789, http://i.imgur.com/gPn8FDf.png

't Hof van St. Janskerke, 36 guns, 1733, http://i.imgur.com/8e8skWa.jpg

Unknown, 56 guns, 1806, http://imgur.com/g2HOgZi

Hilverbeek, 50 guns, 1729, http://i.imgur.com/JesJ4vh.png

Leiderdorp, 50 guns, 1731, http://i.imgur.com/K80ZncC.png

Westerdijkshorn, 50 guns, 1728, http://i.imgur.com/qX5wzbY.png

Brederode, 52 guns, 1731, http://imgur.com/8nEMdNVhttp://i.imgur.com/ryNH8j3.png

Boekenroode, 52 guns, 1733, http://i.imgur.com/n45rGWQ.pnghttp://imgur.com/qMHo0Nc

Prinses Frederika Louisa Wilhelmina, 54 guns, 1779, http://i.imgur.com/BD8veqw.jpg

Brakel & Delft, 56 guns, 1783, http://i.imgur.com/I80KmBO.jpg

Leeuwenhorst & Edam, 56 guns, 1742, http://i.imgur.com/O5dpNgS.png

Twickel, 56 guns, 1726, http://i.imgur.com/B2QIg1D.jpg (missing the hull lines but should be similair to others

Dotrecht, 58 guns, 1739, http://i.imgur.com/B2QIg1D.jpg

Schiedam, 58 guns, 1739, http://i.imgur.com/B2QIg1D.jpg

Stadt en Lande, 72 guns, 1798, http://i.imgur.com/FP0Wsdu.jpg

Haarlem, 74 guns, 1790, http://i.imgur.com/YWMMBDy.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/SuvIFIB.png

Prins Maurits, 76 guns, 1783, http://i.imgur.com/Mi1c8bh.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/6z5rTYT.png

Washington, 76 guns, 1795, http://i.imgur.com/eA9nmEt.pnghttp://imgur.com/g4Hmoai

De Maas, 78 guns, 1728, http://i.imgur.com/0h2VO7Y.jpg (missing the hull lines but should be similair to others

Chattam, 80 guns, 1799, http://i.imgur.com/Cj059jS.png

De Leeuw, 80, guns 1804, http://i.imgur.com/kkEwHR0.jpg

Wreker, 80 guns, 1797, http://i.imgur.com/zHu4L8F.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/IteOKh6.png

Admiraal de Ruyter and Admiraal Zoutman (pre-refit) is the same as the Wreker only a difference in bow figure and stern gallery, http://imgur.com/kzonf70http://imgur.com/GyO9reqhttp://imgur.com/GIaj3fV

Dutch build ships, but captured by the British, some have changed apperance

Mars, 32 guns, 1769, http://i.imgur.com/Xddxbd2.jpg

Prinses Carolina, 52 guns, 1748, http://i.imgur.com/Eu6td1j.jpg

Rotterdam, 52 guns, 1761, http://i.imgur.com/UI6OLnJ.jpg

I have not included the Dutch Merchantships with the same amount of guns as the requirment since it is not clear/requested that they want such ship

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Will leave these here. You also might find them useful. These should be ideal and affordable for 'Frigate' wars in NA, if you ever plan to put more work in that field.  

Concorde Class 12-lb, 32 guns Frigates

 

1777 Concorde

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1777 Charmante - Unite as taken 1796

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1777 Magicienne - uncertain if this is as-taken or recommissioned

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1777 Iphigenie (Guignace)

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1766 Dedaigneuse - 1780 Belle Poule before up-gun and refit as a 36-gunner

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1768 Atalante (1794 HMS Espion as refit for RN service)

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1777 Nymphe

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1777 Sibylle - Drawings for class-member Nereide as taken

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1779 Galatee (first 3) - HMS Pique

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1779 Galatee (last 3, aka 1793 Charente Inferieure class) - HMS Tribune, Renommee or Decade, up-gunned version version of the same hull

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1779 Venus - Drawing for class-member Cleopatre

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1794 Coquille - HMS Dedaigneuse

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1798 Heureuse - HMS Chiffonne

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So my time has come. Finally.

All of the plans I present can be found here:

I hereby present you the wreker class, dutch ship of the line in her 80-gun config:

The Chattam (sistership of the Admiraal de Ruyter!)

You could also name her Admiral de Ruyter and adjust her decoration to match the admiral's look. Cause the hull and all is the same.

 

https://skfb.ly/6n7Kx

(I merely excuse the white colouring - its textureless and thats what sketchfab deems "fitting" to such vessels)

Its modeled from the plans of the "Chattam" and adjusted amongst this wooden model:

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/search/objects?q=chattam&p=1&ps=12&st=OBJECTS&ii=5#/NG-MC-1257,5

and her interieur:

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/search/objects?q=chattam&p=1&ps=12&st=OBJECTS&ii=3#/NG-MC-505,3

 

next up, for everyone who follows my sketchfab there are no surprises:

A dutch 32 gun frigate, armed with 12 pound cannons and a few 36s carronades on her quarterdecks:

The Euridice:

 

Next up we have a series of corvets that feature 12 pounders as primary armament (12s only, mind you):

The Venus:

 

All credits to Steel and his amazing writeup:

https://skfb.ly/YH6N

As said - armed with 12 pounders and a compliment of around 120ish men. There is a thread about her:

Also the dutch made a proper bombard variant out of that class of ships:
https://skfb.ly/UIAI

So much for my dutch lineup.

If you want something danish. There is a 18 pounder frigate called

The Freja:

 

https://skfb.ly/66MxX

Her according thread:

 

And for all that want to go crazy:

The Spiran

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I really dislike only seeing specific ships, I would love to see classes of ships and several examples of the Class of ship.

Consider the "3rd Rate" and the "Bellona":  The "3rd Rate (Bellona class)" is a class but the "Bellona" was a specific ship of the "3rd Rate(Bellona Class)" generic type.

Wouldn't it make more sense to spend time modeling out a generic class (say "Dutch 3rd Rate" or "Dutch light frigate") then using the generic model to produce several specific ships of that class.  Each ship sharing the same model but having slightly different stats...one slightly faster/less armor...one with a little more armor/slower speed....one that turns slightly faster/heels more....one that has slightly larger guns/masts turns slower....ect....  Then change a few small details on the model like paint, figurehead, stern design for each version of the generic class?

With the same request of three ship CLASSES... it would be easy to knock out 12-15 specific ships of the "generic ship"+ several specific ships of that class.

Heck Use the "3rd rate" model, change the figureheads and scrollwork on the stern, slightly change the base stats and produce the HMS Dragon, HMS Superb, HMS Kent, and HMS Defence in addition to the HMS Bellona.

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