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Captains. We need to fill 3 gaps in the ship line up.

Please propose ships for the consideration. 

Requirements in broadside guns

  • Light frigates 32-36 guns (we have no ships in this range)
  • Heavy frigates 50-60 guns (we only have trincomalee and constitution in this range)
  • 3rd rates 70-80 guns (we only have 1.5 ships in this range)

All other gun counts will not be considered

Nation preference

  • Dutch
  • Portuguese
  • Venetian

Other great models will also be allowed but we would prefer underrepresented nations. 

 

Important update

We won't accept long lists of ships. We want YOU to make a choice. Lists will be ignored. Please if you are interested in a certain ship getting into a game. List that ship alone. 

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42 minutes ago, admin said:

3rd rates 70-80 guns (we only have 1.5 ships range)

Le Redoutable, the ship that fought the HMS Victory at Trafalgar and almost boarded it, also the ship that "killed" Nelson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Redoutable_(1791)

More than 100 ships of this class were built (Téméraire class), some fought for the Royal Navy, Spanish Navy, Dutch Navy and obviously, the French Navy. They were built in many famous cities like Toulon, Brest, Rochefort, Lorient, Cherbourg (France), Antwerp (Flanders), Vlissingen, Amsterdam (Netherlands), Genoa (Italy) and also Venice.
This is the most numerous class of capital ship ever built, it SHOULD be in the game.


Here at Trafalgar (middle) between HMS Victory (left) and HMS Temeraire (right).

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For Dutch,

The Vrijheid 74 gun

 

The 7 Provinciën 74 gun

Prins Friso 50 gun

The Leeuwenhorst/Edam 56 gun

 

slighty lower gun count

but unkown 30 gun

 

for more Dutch ships look at this

thanks to steel

For more ships take a look at the link: 

 

 

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What? Why not Spain?

It is quite underrepresented considering it was one of the main navies in the NA timeframe. And please dont tell me that we have lots of spanish ships in the game, which it is not true.

Because of the reasons above mentioned my proposal is a spanish third of the line, the Montañes.

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Sorry for the offtopic, but Spain would be after Dutch in preference. I know that we have 1 ship now and other in production, but Spain have a faction ingame adn was a great navy in that era. Denmark have another ship in production too.

Montañes would be a perfect election for the 3rd rate.

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5 minutes ago, pietjenoob said:

 

for more Dutch ships look at this

Thank you
could you please bring names and pics for ships in the required gun range - this is a specific ship suggestion topic

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5 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

What? Why not Spain?

 

hard requirement is for guns

for nation we prefer the listed nations but would consider other interesting models as well.

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1 minute ago, admin said:

Thank you
could you please bring names and pics for ships in the required gun range - this is a specific ship suggestion topic

I shall as soon i am back of work

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My top choices I would love to see in the game. 

'Foudroyant' 80 Gun 3rd Rate

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La Révolutionnaire 40 Gun Frigate

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'Independence' (Razeed) Heavy 50 Gun Frigate

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'Roebuck' - 44 Gun Frigate

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'Arethusa' 38 Gun Frigate (Heavy war Action)

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'Raleigh' 32 Gun Frigate

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'Sibylle' 38 Gun Frigate

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'Unknown' 50 Gun Heavy Frigate

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'Ilderim/Pommern' 38 Gun Frigate

 

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'Stralsund' 32 Gun Frigate

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Imma go ahead and propose the 80 gun wreker class Ship of the Line!  (this is pre conversion to a 90 gunner)

Ps. yes imma go for dutch ships, dutch been IMHO severely unrepresented in NA for ages now...

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L'Unité

(Alternative names : La Cornélie, La Touterelle, La Républicaine, La Fidèle)

French Revolution 9-pdr corvette

30+ guns

1794

A way to get a Light frigate is to adapt in-game HMS Surprise (38 guns) to make a lighter version, that is the French ship before capture, L'Unité (1794) :

  • Armament : 
    • (historical) 24 x 9-pd (Gun deck), 6  x 6-pd (Weather deck) (Source : Jean Boudriot, Historique de la corvette, La Créole 1827, p. 38)
    • (in-game suggestion) 24 x 9-pd + 8-10  x 6-pd
  • Name her L'Unité on the stern or La Cornélie, La Touterelle, La Républicaine, La Fidèle (her sister ships)
  • Give her a different paint scheme than HMS Surprise
  • To distinguish her from HMS Surprise a bit more, you might also add a figurehead as she most likely had one and that'd embody the ship name (for L'Unité, the Unity of the Nation against the Enemy...)

 

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Example : figurehead of French Revolution 40-gun frigate La Poursuivante ('The Chaser') built in 1796

(spear and shield missing ?)

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http://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/9806?vc=ePkH4LF7w6yelGA1iLESKelDn-gElxIANB61KjU2M0Src02M4BU4XDnBeAMAZJRF9Q$$

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1 hour ago, admin said:

hard requirement is for guns

for nation we prefer the listed nations but would consider other interesting models as well.

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Guns:

28 cannons 36 pd
30 cannons 18 pd
Upper decks, 8pd

 

 

More info here:

 

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The main 4 postings for Venetian ships are

 

I have some very large plans of a couple of the Venetian ships available but haven't had the time or ability to upload them yet, if anyone wants me to look into some of the smaller ships I will gladly do so, I have posted some of the brigs and cutters from late Venice and there is a model of a polacca circulating too.

I have been waiting for this post since forever but why couldn't you have done it yesterday when I was able to properly react to it with some proper research :D

Good to see more ships will be under development soon, I will do almost anything to squeeze fama in ;)

 

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3 hours ago, admin said:

Captains. We need to fill 3 gaps in the ship line up.

Please propose ships for the consideration. 

Requirements in broadside guns

  • Light frigates 32-36 guns (we have no ships in this range)
  • Heavy frigates 50-60 guns (we only have trincomalee and constitution in this range)
  • 3rd rates 70-80 guns (we only have 1.5 ships in this range)

All other gun counts will not be considered

Nation preference

  • Dutch
  • Portuguese
  • Venetian

Other great models will also be allowed but we would prefer underrepresented nations. 

 

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/NG-MC-651

This model shows the appearance of a Dutch warship in the late 17th century. It was made at the dockyards of Vlissingen (Flushing), where real warships were also built. These would have been more than twelve times larger than this model. This ship has 74 guns. The model was displayed in the council chamber of the Admiralty of Zeeland in Middelburg.

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18 minutes ago, Rickard said:

 

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/NG-MC-651

This model shows the appearance of a Dutch warship in the late 17th century. It was made at the dockyards of Vlissingen (Flushing), where real warships were also built. These would have been more than twelve times larger than this model. This ship has 74 guns. The model was displayed in the council chamber of the Admiralty of Zeeland in Middelburg.

Dont get me started on that, its a no-no for this game.

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20 minutes ago, SteelSandwich said:

Dont get me started on that, its a no-no for this game.

why not, we got the wappen, so they cant say its not in the time frame

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20 minutes ago, SteelSandwich said:

Dont get me started on that, its a no-no for this game.

hows that?

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3 minutes ago, Rickard said:

hows that?

Because he prefers the Montañes, which fits much better in the overall NA time frame.

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17 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Because he prefers the Montañes, which fits much better in the overall NA time frame.

who is "He"?

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Well to Further expand my post

Diana, 32 guns, 1808, http://i.imgur.com/1TfwVUS.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/ChsrfGy.png

Heldin, 32 guns, 1796, http://i.imgur.com/T99Be1g.png

Juno, 32 guns, 1797, http://imgur.com/7qKFGBGhttp://i.imgur.com/6eGfL9R.png

Castor, 36 guns, 1758, http://i.imgur.com/TyAMiY4.jpg

Jason, 36 guns, 1772, http://i.imgur.com/ZhvLUK8.jpg

Minerva, 36 guns, 1790, http://i.imgur.com/AZMkDww.jpg

Prinses Frederika Louise Wilhelmina, 36 guns, 1789, http://i.imgur.com/gPn8FDf.png

't Hof van St. Janskerke, 36 guns, 1733, http://i.imgur.com/8e8skWa.jpg

Unknown, 56 guns, 1806, http://imgur.com/g2HOgZi

Hilverbeek, 50 guns, 1729, http://i.imgur.com/JesJ4vh.png

Leiderdorp, 50 guns, 1731, http://i.imgur.com/K80ZncC.png

Westerdijkshorn, 50 guns, 1728, http://i.imgur.com/qX5wzbY.png

Brederode, 52 guns, 1731, http://imgur.com/8nEMdNVhttp://i.imgur.com/ryNH8j3.png

Boekenroode, 52 guns, 1733, http://i.imgur.com/n45rGWQ.pnghttp://imgur.com/qMHo0Nc

Prinses Frederika Louisa Wilhelmina, 54 guns, 1779, http://i.imgur.com/BD8veqw.jpg

Brakel & Delft, 56 guns, 1783, http://i.imgur.com/I80KmBO.jpg

Leeuwenhorst & Edam, 56 guns, 1742, http://i.imgur.com/O5dpNgS.png

Twickel, 56 guns, 1726, http://i.imgur.com/B2QIg1D.jpg (missing the hull lines but should be similair to others

Dotrecht, 58 guns, 1739, http://i.imgur.com/B2QIg1D.jpg

Schiedam, 58 guns, 1739, http://i.imgur.com/B2QIg1D.jpg

Stadt en Lande, 72 guns, 1798, http://i.imgur.com/FP0Wsdu.jpg

Haarlem, 74 guns, 1790, http://i.imgur.com/YWMMBDy.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/SuvIFIB.png

Prins Maurits, 76 guns, 1783, http://i.imgur.com/Mi1c8bh.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/6z5rTYT.png

Washington, 76 guns, 1795, http://i.imgur.com/eA9nmEt.pnghttp://imgur.com/g4Hmoai

De Maas, 78 guns, 1728, http://i.imgur.com/0h2VO7Y.jpg (missing the hull lines but should be similair to others

Chattam, 80 guns, 1799, http://i.imgur.com/Cj059jS.png

De Leeuw, 80, guns 1804, http://i.imgur.com/kkEwHR0.jpg

Wreker, 80 guns, 1797, http://i.imgur.com/zHu4L8F.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/IteOKh6.png

Admiraal de Ruyter and Admiraal Zoutman (pre-refit) is the same as the Wreker only a difference in bow figure and stern gallery, http://imgur.com/kzonf70http://imgur.com/GyO9reqhttp://imgur.com/GIaj3fV

Dutch build ships, but captured by the British, some have changed apperance

Mars, 32 guns, 1769, http://i.imgur.com/Xddxbd2.jpg

Prinses Carolina, 52 guns, 1748, http://i.imgur.com/Eu6td1j.jpg

Rotterdam, 52 guns, 1761, http://i.imgur.com/UI6OLnJ.jpg

I have not included the Dutch Merchantships with the same amount of guns as the requirment since it is not clear/requested that they want such ship

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