Arvenski

You're such a tease, Mirones.

It might be nice to have a more 'normal' Spanish 1st rate like this, instead of just the monster that is the Santisima.

She's Spanish. That might be enough to get some folks to vote for her.

Yes, please.

Meh, Christian VII is better.

Oh, yes please. I've been looking forward to this feature for quite some time. Also: https://youtu.be/yc7RQlBgBbE?t=1h21m16s

All right then, Bungee, what's the obvious choice of wildcard this year?

Is this DDoS attack aimed at us (Naval Action), or the provider as a whole?

Well, Diana doesn't seem to be suffering from the revealing of the different plans. Admiraal de Ruyter seems to be catching up to Venus a bit, though, unless I'm mistaken...

You mean the screenshot that was posted in back in November (almost 3 months ago), that's at the top of the page (as opposed to the bottom, where your post is), and that you didn't quote in order to give anybody any idea of what you were talking about? No, I guess I hadn't noticed it in a while.

Okay, the OP's been edited. The Cutter, Snow, Brig, and Navy Brig now have their historical names listed in parentheses; the rating list has hopefully been cleaned up (I may have over-thought it the first time, as cleaning it up was a lot simpler than I expected: I just had to think "outside the box" a bit), and the proper technicalities of written French have been edited in.

Cutter/Alert, Snow/Ontario: People know those vessels as the Cutter and the Snow. I may edit the post to include their historical names as well, but I'm not just going to call them the Alert and the Ontario. Same with the Brig/Navy Brig/Fair American. That might confuse folks. Hermione's name was found through datamining, as far as I know, and I'm not sure if I want to include that in my list. The way I see it, we don't know if that was just part of some scrapped dev project that someone forgot to delete from the file system. People leave crap lying around in all sorts of places. I don't want to give the wrong impression by listing something as "in development" if we don't actually know if it's coming. Farquharson: until they're confirmed to be going to be implemented in-game, I'm not listing player-made ships. And no, I'm not listing the Frigate as Swedish. Sorry.

Noted. I'll see about correcting things later, when I've got some free time.

Yeah, having to sail through that definitely looks like it'd restrict how big you wanted your ship to be.

Uh, what? What would be "great"?

I'm definitely not disagreeing with you there. However, since I doubt it'll make a darn bit of difference whether Christiansborg has 4 votes or 5, I'm going to keep my vote with Christian VII and hope it's enough to get her the wildcard.

Those Venetians had an odd way of rating their ships, compared to everyone else. Counting the gun ports, that "first rate" looks like a 64. Although, that's probably one of the biggest ships they built, so when you think about it that way...

@Bungee Lemming: The Frigate may be partly based on a Chapman design, but isn't she also based on a Russian design as well (the Cherubim)? Also, I'm not listing player-made ships until they are confirmed by the devs to be on their way to implementation in-game. @Mighty Alex: Unité is French, sure, but don't people generally think of her in-game as HMS Surprise?

Dude, I still don't know what to do about that rating thing. (It would probably help, though, if it wasn't 12:25 in the morning and if I didn't have a cat mewing at me. ) Maybe I'll figure something out tomorrow.

Otherwise known as the "Brigand's not here; I'll have to come up with something" thread. This thread is designed to be similar to Brigand's nigh-invaluable "List of ships and other vessels in the game" thread, but with some different info arranged in different ways. Note, however, that this is intended to be a companion to Brigand's thread, NOT a replacement. I have no wish to usurp his work. There's been a bunch of info that's surfaced over the past few months about new ships, as well as new ships being added to the game. Ordinarily, I'd just repost this info in Brigand's thread and suggest that he add it to his OP, but with him not around very much, what I post there has been getting lost in the discussion, and I've found myself having to dig in order to find it for other people. Therefore, I thought I'd create a new thread, using the most recent information available. Also, while Brigand's thread focuses on the real-life technical aspects (which I am not very knowledgeable about, so don't expect to find as much of it here), I thought I would provide ways of looking at this info that hopefully will benefit the people who are just interested knowing what we have, and will have, in the game. It seems very often that people argue that certain nations have too many or too few ships in-game, or that certain rates (size categories) of ships are too well or too poorly represented. I intend to organize the information in this thread in ways so that it will be easy for people to view the facts related to these topics, so that they may more easily form their own opinions regarding them. There is one more thing I feel I should mention: I want everyone who reads this to feel that they can trust the information they're reading. That means that the information here should be based on what we know, not what we're hoping is true. That means I'm not going to list a ship on here based on rumors or data-mining, at least until that ship is confirmed to be in development. That also means that, no matter how many times people ask, I'm not going to include player-made ships in here until it is confirmed that the specific ship(s) in question is(are) going to be added to the game. I have no wish to spread potential misinformation or say anything that may give people the wrong impression. Disclaimer: Now, I'll try to keep this up-to-date for a little while, but I'm sure to move on eventually. My interests change over time, and real life can sometimes cause difficulties as well. That's just how it is. If this thread ever gets overly outdated, I sincerely hope that it gets consigned to the forum scrapyard, and a different thread takes its place. Now, enough of the preliminaries; let's begin: My sources: (Read this if you want to, or you can scroll down to get right to the good stuff.) Now, by combining the information from the various sources above, we can get an idea of what's in development, and how that stacks up alongside what we've already got. Keep reading to see for yourself: Ships by rate: For simplicity, I'm going to use the rate system that Admin used in the quote above. If I've listed anything incorrectly from how it is in-game, please let me know. I'm sure there are those of you who will argue the historical accuracy of this rating system, but I'm not sure if that's the point here. Note, however, that we don't know how some of the ships that are in development are rated, and since they could be listed in one of multiple categories, I've tried to list them wherever it seems likely that they might be rated. In these cases, I've listed the ships like this, in both the categories that they might belong to: "[named ship] or unknown ship." If the named ship turns out (when it is released) to belong to one category, then the unknown ship will be the ship in the other category, and vice versa. Edit 3/7/2019: I'm listing all the unknown ships as "possibly in development" now. It was a long time ago when they were mentioned, so who knows if the devs are still working on them, or they may have been added to the game already. Traders: 6 in-game, 0 known to be in development, 2 possibly in development. In-game: Trader Cutter, Trader Lynx, Trader Brig, Trader Snow, Le Gros Ventre, Indiaman. In development: Two unknown ships might be in development. Unrated / 7th rates, 2-16 guns: 7 in-game, 0 known to be in development. In-game: Lynx, Cutter (Alert), Yacht, Pickle, Privateer, Mortar Brig, Gunboat. 6th rates, 16-26 guns: 8 in-game, 1 in development. In-game: Brig (Fair American), Navy Brig, Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake (Heavy), Snow (Ontario), Mercury, Niagara, Prince de Neufchatel. In development: Pandora. 5th rates, 26-50 guns: 15 in-game, 1 in development. In-game: Cerberus, Hercules, Le Requin, La Renommée, Surprise (L'Unité), L'Hermione, La Belle Poule, Santa Cecilia, Frigate, Pirate Frigate, Essex, Indefatigable, Endymion, Trincomalee, Diana. In development, Kepler. 4th rates, 50-64 guns: 7 in-game, 1 in development. In-game: Constitution, United States, Ingermanland, Agamemnon, Wappen von Hamberg III, Wasa, Rättvisan. In development: Leopard. 3rd rates, 64-80 guns: 2 in-game, 4 in development, 2 possibly in development. In-game: Bellona, 74. In development: Le Redoutable, Implacable (Duguay-Trouin), Montañés, Wreker. Possibly in development: unknown 3rd rate, unknown 3rd rate. 2nd rates, 80-100 guns: 3 in-game, 2 possibly in development. In-game: Saint Paul/Pavel, Le Bucentaure, Christian VII. Possibly In development: unknown 2nd rate, unknown 2nd rate. 1st rates, 100-140 guns: 3 in-game, 0 known to be in development. In-game: Victory, Santisima Trinidad, L'Océan. Ships by nationality: This is a list of the nationalities of the known ships in-game and in development. The unknown ships obviously aren't listed, because we don't know what nations they'll belong to. A lot of this info is from Brigand's thread; please correct me if I get anything wrong. I'm also not going to count the trader variants (trader lynx, cutter, snow, brig), as they're reskins of their non-trader counterparts. The Frigate and Pirate Frigate aren't listed, since they're kind of a mix of designs. The Privateer, Navy Brig & Mortar Brig, Rattlesnake (Heavy) and 74 aren't listed, as they're reskins/variants of the Lynx, Brig (Fair American), Rattlesnake, and Bellona, respectively. The Gunboat isn't listed because it may just be a generic design. The Hercules isn't listed here because we don't know who originally built it. British: 11 in-game, 2 in development. In-game: Cutter (Alert), Pickle, Snow (Ontario), Cerberus, Santa Cecilia, Indefatigable, Endymion, Trincomalee, Agamemnon, Bellona, Victory. In development: Pandora, Leopard. American: 8 in-game, 0 known to be in development. In-game: Lynx, Brig (Fair American), Prince de Neufchatel, Rattlesnake, Niagara, Essex, Constitution, United States. French: 8 in-game, 2 in development. In-game: Le Gros Ventre, Le Requin, La Renommée, Surprise (L'Unité), L'Hermione, La Belle Poule, Le Bucentaure, L'Océan. In development: Le Redoutable, Implacable (Duguay-Trouin). Russian: 3 in-game, 1 in development. In-game: Mercury, Ingermanland, Saint Paul/Pavel. In development: Kepler. Swedish: 4 in-game, 0 known to be in development. In-game: Yacht, Indiaman, Wasa, Rättvisan. Spanish: 2 in-game, 1 in development. In-game: Diana, Santisima Trinidad. In development: Montañés. Dutch: 0 in-game, 1 in development. In development: Wreker. Danish: 1 in-game, 0 known to be in development. In-game: Christian VII. German: 1 in-game, 0 known to be in development. In-game: Wappen von Hamburg III. --- And I think that just about does it. Tell me if you'd like anything else added to this, or if I've made any mistakes.

Oh, so that's why you didn't list Bucentaure as a 2nd rate. For the record, Bucentaure has 80-86 guns, not 68. Brigand must've written that wrong. Also, this might be of interest to you.

You left out some of the ships that are in development, dude.

I second that.

Still, that's a lot of firepower for a 26-gun frigate...