Hull_001 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvaishar Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Japanese Nelson class tanker on a lot of acid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AurumCorvus Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 hours ago, tvaishar said: Japanese Nelson class tanker on a lot of acid. On one hand, I'm impressed that the AI stuck to an all centerline approach and put a ton of decently sized guns with fairly decent firing arcs (let's ignore that one 2 or 3 inch turret). On the other hand... not one (truly) big caliber? I hope the AI got decent armor or speed out of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvaishar Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 hours ago, AurumCorvus said: On one hand, I'm impressed that the AI stuck to an all centerline approach and put a ton of decently sized guns with fairly decent firing arcs (let's ignore that one 2 or 3 inch turret). On the other hand... not one (truly) big caliber? I hope the AI got decent armor or speed out of it... Well, armor was ok (12+ inches main belt if I recall correctly), main battery was 11 inches, secondaries of all sizes, few bulkheads and speed? 16 knots. But at least they used safe ammo (tube powder + tnt II), so it didn't blow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Hissy Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 This one's funny, perfectly adequate armament. But once again, this is not AI problem, this is stupidly limited editor problem. No matter how good is AI, if this crap is the only thing possible to assemble due to all the limitations, this will be the one AI builds. And the one player builds under the same limits, likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormnet Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) I'm waiting to see how long will it take for them to dump this sunken cost fallacy of a system and just use templates. This image is from a discord user: I'm a broken record at this time. (Almost) every player says "Ditch this AI, it just doesnt work, get templates.", GL says "No, wE WilL BAlaNce aNd pATch thIs AI". After weeks of more wasted development fixing this little * * * *, we get another bug. When will they get the message... Edited November 25, 2021 by Stormnet 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeksis Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stormnet said: I'm waiting to see how long will it take for them to dump this sunken cost fallacy of a system and just use templates. This image is from a discord user: I'm a broken record at this time. (Almost) every player says "Ditch this AI, it just doesnt work, get templates.", GL says "No, wE WilL BAlaNce aNd pATch thIs AI". After weeks of more wasted development fixing this little * * * *, we get another bug. When will they get the message... That looks like the barbette that rotates from the edge point, so maybe designed ok, just rendering in incorrect. Edited November 25, 2021 by Skeksis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelHenry Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) On 11/25/2021 at 2:06 PM, Skeksis said: That looks like the barbette that rotates from the edge point, so maybe designed ok, just rendering in incorrect. As much as I don't agree with Skeksis talking point, this bug existed since the beginning of the game. It was fixed for the most part, but I guess it crops up from time to time. Back then, the turrets of a sinking ship would always sink differently than the rest of the hull, causing weird images like this. Edited November 28, 2021 by ColonelHenry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneofTriumph Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Ah ha! I see our foes are adherents of the "single gun" school of light cruiser design. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalminer Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 23 hours ago, StoneofTriumph said: Ah ha! I see our foes are adherents of the "single gun" school of light cruiser design. I mean you've seen the number of life boats on there right? clearly this is a lifeboat tender and not a cruiser! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Hissy Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Or it's random frenchman. Was their flag white? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptbarney Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Cpt.Hissy said: Or it's random frenchman. Was their flag white? The germans nicked her for a joy ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speglord Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Encountered this beauty in the campaign just now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neph Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 You think that CL is bad? Look at this CA... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Hissy Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Gamey Gunbarge returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnleashtheKraken Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 On 11/30/2021 at 3:00 AM, Speglord said: Encountered this beauty in the campaign just now. Was looking for this thread just to post something very similar. This is the standard british light cruiser in my current campaign as germany, 1890. She's armed with 5" in the turrets and twin 3" casemates. Thing is, to the side she can only bring that one turret just aft of the 2nd tower to bear, along with the 3 inchers. My own CL basically can maneuver in, out-firing , and take up station in a circle fight, putting about 3x the firepower in. Even with the AI's broken hit advantage where they are always achieving a hit percentage as much as double what is shown, I can break this one. Swap to HE only, and just burn her down. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeksis Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) I can add to the clowns above! 😁 It seems (and if there is such a value) the anti-abreast probability value isn't high enough, or something! Though it's not all that bad, borderline IMO. Edited December 2, 2021 by Skeksis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuvenalis Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Since we all like to have a laugh at the "ridiculousness" of the AI for slapping all different manner of guns onto a hull, may I present the very real protected cruiser USS Columbia (1890) which was armed with: 1 x 8in open mount gun on the aft quarterdeck 2 x 6in open mounts (w/ gun shields) on the forecastle mounted side by side so they cannot fire broadside together 8 x 4in guns in casements on the main deck with roughly set out in pairs on each side to the fore and aft 12 x 6pdr (2.2in) guns in casements and everywhere else 4 x 1pdr Pom-Poms presumably somewhere up high 4 x Gatling guns again someplace up top 1 x Field Artillery piece for land-based gunboat diplomacy 4 x torpedo tubes For more pictures of this odd steel beast:https://www.loc.gov/search/?fa=online-format:image&q=uss+columbia 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o Barão Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 13 hours ago, neph said: You think that CL is bad? Look at this CA... I only see that small secondary limiting the angle of fire for the main gun in the middle. What is about that design you think is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o Barão Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, UnleashtheKraken said: Was looking for this thread just to post something very similar. This is the standard british light cruiser in my current campaign as germany, 1890. She's armed with 5" in the turrets and twin 3" casemates. Thing is, to the side she can only bring that one turret just aft of the 2nd tower to bear, along with the 3 inchers. My own CL basically can maneuver in, out-firing , and take up station in a circle fight, putting about 3x the firepower in. Even with the AI's broken hit advantage where they are always achieving a hit percentage as much as double what is shown, I can break this one. Swap to HE only, and just burn her down. Yeah sadly i saw that design already many times in my 1890 campaign test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neph Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) On 12/2/2021 at 12:25 PM, o Barão said: I only see that small secondary limiting the angle of fire for the main gun in the middle. What is about that design you think is wrong? Move the triple in the middle to the end! Its firing arcs ended up being nonexistant. & those single turrets: albeit historical for some cruisers, in the wacky alt timeline UAD lives in they make no sense. Proof: despite being a newer hull, greater displacement, and more expensive than my cruisers, it managed to be slower, possessed of fewer bulkheads, MUCH less armored, and MUCH less armed than my smaller and cheaper cruiser. It was (IIRC) 21.7 kts w/ 5.5" belt, that absurd mixed 2x3x9" and 4x1x8" (& 2x1x7") turret arrangement, with standard # of bulkheads. For a million bucks fewer and ~1500 t lighter, it was up against my ABX (can actually bring all guns to bear!) 3x3x11" (& assorted 4"ers) cruiser with a 13" of belt, 30 kts of speed, and max bulkheads. You can guess who never lost a cruiser in that campaign. Clown car indeed. Edited December 4, 2021 by neph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o Barão Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 @nephok so is more a question of personal taste in this situation about what should be done instead what can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real_Hawkeye Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Edit: Posted in the wrong thread - yeah, I'm stupid like that sometimes. Edited December 3, 2021 by The_Real_Hawkeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neph Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, o Barão said: @nephok so is more a question of personal taste in this situation about what should be done instead what can be done. If the AI manages to waste all its displacement on rows of subcaliber single-mount turrets on both sides--blocking the firing arcs of its few decent guns--& produce a slower, weaker, and more fragile ship for it, that's simply not a competitive design for the era. I don't think criticizing it is a matter of personal taste. Edited December 4, 2021 by neph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real_Hawkeye Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Not sure if this qualifies as a "clown car". Given the AI likes to run away from me, this layout actually makes some sense 😁 And yes, besides those 2 x 7" guns, the CL has only a single 4" gun on the forecastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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