Battle Rating for Ports still TOO high

[Captain2Strong]

On 1/7/2020 at 10:28 PM, BoatyMcBoatFace said:

I have heard many times callers swapping people out based not even on personal skill but on how many book slots they have

and this is just dumb

[Captain2Strong]

On 1/8/2020 at 4:34 AM, TheDread said:

that you should BOTH - open at least 4 slots in the ship AND not be a total idiot before you're allowed into a port battle.  Both requirements, not an either or. 

the tendency is sometimes to pick based on the first of those features and then ignore the second
and those upgrades do not even mean a lot, they give a tiny bit of more power, but it can be easily outmached multiple times by behavior in battle, they mean a lot less than you'd think

On 1/8/2020 at 4:34 AM, TheDread said:

but my counter argument is that you're NOT a highly skilled player if you haven't taken the time to open more than 2 slots on a ship you plan to take into port battles

lol

Edited January 25, 2020 by Captain2Strong

[Sir Texas Sir]

12 hours ago, erelkivtuadrater said:

so true. @admin said that the alliance system was bad for the OW pvp.. well as i wrote but didnt get an answer you should use the pirate faction to be a free for all pvp faction, where if you dont want hard alliances you can join those and ally up with the ones you want to and fight the rest. I also red Redii's suggestion that was a great one. TLDR; Impossible nations are placed in pirate faction which are FFA, the Flag the clan chooses to sail are the ones you ally with, so if 3 clans are pirates, clan 1 & 2  fly the russian flag are hard alliance the 3rd fly pirate flag and has none. This would make total sense and help alot with the balancing

The old alliance system we had before that was player voted was bad as it restricted folks from fighting each other, but we didn't have forge papers back than either.  The coalition one that admin suggested was Dev controlled and if one group gets more powerful than others they can break them up and make new coalitions.  If you don't like that you can't fight french any more and your DUTCH, than just use your forge papers if you got them.   

Pirates should be free for all in all battles.  Honestly Green on Green should only count for same nation only in battles.  That will solve some of the issues of folks joined teams of other nations.   I honestly thought the impossible nations was going to be test for new pirate mechanics when it came out, but well we have seen found pirates will never get anything and what they had was removed cause of folks abusing the system.  Abusing them to get around thins (capital zones) we don't have any more.   So don't see why they can't come back.

10 hours ago, Vizzini said:

Players unwilling to risk all are on the wrong server. There will be no reason to play if you have nothing to lose for a great many on the PVP server

A war of attrition grinds players down until they get low on morale or resources. Imagine a scenario where a player can hit the reset button , get his ships and ports back that he lost last night. He will never be bothered about the risk of losing it and in the same way there will be no incentive for the player attacking

 

games playing ok right now , don't let the whiners spoil it

You do know this game, the war server is a PvE with PvP server right?   So folks can play both, some folks don't want to be safe 100% of the time.  Some folks enjoy to do things at risk on there own terms.  Some of us don't have the time to be on 24/7 like a few folks that seem to have no jobs or real life.  Most of us get a few hours a day if even that to play.  It's a pain to expect others to protect your interest all the time while your at work or doing things with family or having a holiday.  Every other game with something like this has either safe zones that no PvP/RvR can be done in or they have server resets once a certain time or goal is reached.  That attrition effects player numbers over time and gets us right back to dead servers.  Only 10% of the game is hard core PvP/RvR guys,  what you think it would be like if the rest of that 90% just left and went to Peace server as you suggest since the server isn't the right one for them according to /YOU/?

May I ask what nation your currently playing in?

[Koveras]

On 1/8/2020 at 1:09 AM, The Geth said:

So what I'm hearing is that hard-coded, official in-game diplomacy is a solution to the issue of RvR's relative unpopularity. And personally I'd agree, but this raises the question: does @admin plan on (re)implementing such a thing? It's not in the roadmap, at least.

I would rather pour gasoline over my ships than ever help a swede in RvR regardless of what is "hardcoded" into the game.

 

[Koveras]

On 1/25/2020 at 2:15 AM, admin said:

we more and more believe that these days. RvR price of loss is too high compared to just pvp. And people just hate losing stuff. 

tbh I believe it's more the risk of losing crafting ports that prevents ppl from doing RvR. RvR is great when you're winning and taking stuff from other people, it's crap when you're losing access to you shipyard facilities, port bonus', rare ressources etc.

That and the currently inbuildt uncompetitiveness of some ressources/PBs simply makes some clans/nations unable to compete i RvR and thus unwilling to waste the time/effort in doing it. PvP is simpler, cleaner and much more fun - take a ship, kill or get killed and neither party is really worse for wear after the battle.

[Gregory Rainsborough]

The problem with RvR at the moment is that it requires 11 people to defend the smallest port there is, as opposed to in the past when you could do it with 5-7.

People just move to nations where their crafting is safe. Don't blame 'em really.

Edited January 26, 2020 by Gregory Rainsborough

[Vizzini]

13 hours ago, Sir Texas Sir said:

You do know this game, the war server is a PvE with PvP server right?   So folks can play both, some folks don't want to be safe 100% of the time.  Some folks enjoy to do things at risk on there own terms.  Some of us don't have the time to be on 24/7 like a few folks that seem to have no jobs or real life.  Most of us get a few hours a day if even that to play.  It's a pain to expect others to protect your interest all the time while your at work or doing things with family or having a holiday.  Every other game with something like this has either safe zones that no PvP/RvR can be done in or they have server resets once a certain time or goal is reached.  That attrition effects player numbers over time and gets us right back to dead servers.  Only 10% of the game is hard core PvP/RvR guys,  what you think it would be like if the rest of that 90% just left and went to Peace server as you suggest since the server isn't the right one for them according to /YOU/?

May I ask what nation your currently playing in?

I'm in the same nation as some of your alts, turning up to screen as often as possible. Playing the game during EU hours Vp since release

Complaining that others have more free time than you ? really ?

You do realise it is a multi player game and plenty happens when you or myself aren't online ? or do you have ideas to stop that happening ?

 

 

 

 

[Vizzini]

7 minutes ago, Intrepido said:

Nations are made by its playerbase.

When you dont have the playerbase, talking here about numbers and experienced players, the nations die. 

I remember, back when we had the alliance system, allied nations support each other either with players filling PBs or with the much needed PB commander.

Now, you cant. So nations die and players, as a result, stop playing.

What would happen right now with an alliance system ? Tactical voting by everybody with an alt or 2 ?

 

 

Right now player numbers seem steady , of course we cannot tell what they will be in the next few months but the doom mongers seem to have jumped the gun by the saying the games going wrong as it stands

[Sir Texas Sir]

7 hours ago, Vizzini said:

What would happen right now with an alliance system ? Tactical voting by everybody with an alt or 2 ?

 

 

Right now player numbers seem steady , of course we cannot tell what they will be in the next few months but the doom mongers seem to have jumped the gun by the saying the games going wrong as it stands

You don't read to good do you, now one is suggesting the old system.  We are suggesting the Coalition system that @admin actually posted that would be controlled by Devs not the players.  Any way alts couldn't out vote active players.  They couldn't in the old alliance system as we even tried that on PvP2 and believe me between Pirates and those allied with us we had plenty of alts that where of level to out vote active players, but US and GB still had more players than we had alts.   

The reason I ask what nation is cause well I assume your using an alt name (cause there is no Vizzini in game) and I have never seen you active in any of the fights prob cause your not using an active name.   Even now with Dutch being what like 3rd largest nation maybe 4th as we did loose two big clans, we are struggling to fill port battles and screening fleets.  Specially if anything falls out of the EU time zone.  Is it cause of lack of players or lack of interest?  You can be the largest nation in game and still have hardly any PvP/RvR palyers, I mean look at GB as it's always been traditionally one of the largest nations in game.

Player numbers are study in the fact that folks are back doing trade and such to make money.  Those folks normally don't do RvR.  You got to remember there are multi types of players and some do just killing AI and doing trade runs for the most part and getting into some PvP fights once in a while on there own terms.

 

Speaking of nation size any updated list of the size of the nations currently in game?

[Sir Texas Sir]

6 hours ago, Intrepido said:

That system created two blocks, which was a mistake as it limited pvp too much.

Player numbers are steady because of the latest fixes to RvR, trading and steam sales.

However, we will see what happens in the future. Fighting in small nations against 2 of the biggest nations that decided to ally (hilarious) is going to burn out LOTS of people. 

Actually currently isn't it like GB, Russia, Prussia, US all in one block and than you have Swede, France, Dutch on the other.  Danes and Spain pretty much doing there own thing?   There are a few loose cannons in those nations but that pretty much how I see the state of the game currently and only RvR wise.

Oh and pirates, but every one is suppose to hate them any way so that is pretty much where they stand.

 

Edited January 26, 2020 by Sir Texas Sir

[TheDread]

On 1/25/2020 at 8:04 AM, Captain2Strong said:

the tendency is sometimes to pick based on the first of those features and then ignore the second
and those upgrades do not even mean a lot, they give a tiny bit of more power, but it can be easily outmached multiple times by behavior in battle, they mean a lot less than you'd think

lol

Are you just grinding an axe?   Maybe you've had a bad experience with bad PB commanders - there certainly are some that do it but shouldn't.   

Of course the commander should pick the best captains available and opening 5 knowledge slots is not necessarily proof of skill, but my point is good captains open slots on ships they plan to use, too.   Both people should be doing their jobs.   But if someone thinks they're just TOO GOOD to level a ship they want to bring into a PB, that tells me something about their attitude, and makes me less likely to pick them if I have other good folks to choose from.  If I have my choice between two qualified people and one has opened 5 slots and the other 2...  I'll pick the 5  slotter...  not BECAUSE the little buffs will make the difference, but because that person has shown their willing to put the time into the boat to learn more about it.   

[Captain2Strong]

52 minutes ago, TheDread said:

but my point is good captains open slots on ships they plan to use, too

it doesn't hurt to do that but sometimes it is too boring to spend time sinking AI, and some prefer to just skip that and maybe eventually just open slots on PvP and stay with maybe 2 or 3 instead of all 5 for example (that's how I do it for example and Im ok with that)
and while the perks are always nice to have the change they make do not necessarily have to make someone feel like they are something they must have

52 minutes ago, TheDread said:

that tells me something about their attitude

well, yes, it tells that they did not open the slots because of something

Edited January 26, 2020 by Captain2Strong

[TheDread]

You  can open 3 slots on a l'ocean in a couple of days.   If someone doesn't have the attention span to run a few missions, I doubt they have the attention span to pay attention during port battles, and would rather not have them.   Perhaps you ARE a special character who does not need the practice, but nyah, for every one of you I might pass over in error by expecting everyone to have actually sailed the ship they want to do PBs in, I'll weed out 10 of the nitwits I've seen in PBs lately who obviously still don't know how to manually sail a 1st rate.   That's a trade I'll make.  I'm sorry to the folks who, like you, since I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, really are that good that you don't need to spend a few hours in the boat to master it, but overall it's good for the health of the fleet if we require that people BOTH open slots AND be decent at fighting against other players.    

Again, I'm agreeing with you that picking open slots OVER skill is dumb of a commander, but my point is that if someone hasn't opened slots...  EITHER they don't have the skill or they don't have the attitude that I'd personally want in a captain under me.   That's just my personal opinion and you may pick your fleets differently than me and that's okay!  

[Captain2Strong]

30 minutes ago, TheDread said:

You  can open 3 slots on a l'ocean in a couple of days.   If someone doesn't have the attention span to run a few missions, I doubt they have the attention span to pay attention during port battles

ah, ok 😀, well, I'm for example and exception to this rule, don't know how common such exceptions are though
 

30 minutes ago, TheDread said:

I'm sorry to the folks who, like you, since I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, really are that good that you don't need to spend a few hours in the boat to master it, but overall it's good for the health of the fleet if we require that people BOTH open slots AND be decent at fighting against other players

this game also had an asset and experience wipe some months ago, and people who played pre-wipe also lost those open perk slots for ships because of this, so some part of them might have spent some time playing pre-wipe too

some people for example are not really into the time consuming/grindy things and just want to play more freely, only doing those grindy things when they are more necessary and avoiding them if they wish to do so

Edited January 26, 2020 by Captain2Strong

[Redman29]

On 1/24/2020 at 12:21 PM, admin said:

That will change soon. All woods will receive repair bonuses and penalties depending on their RL qualities. Oak will be one of the easiest to repair. 

 

Any idea if we can get some insight into the proposed changes?

With Seasoned woods, ships are now super expensive with a Santi costing 19k doubloons, 11 Mil in tools, and 145k Labour Hours in converting woods. 

Spending hundreds of hours moving resources, trading, and in logistics to craft a fleet of seasoned ships, only for them to be made obsolete with the advent of a monumental game change would mean all that work for nothing. 

Edited January 27, 2020 by Redman29

[captain smile]

Live Oak and white it is still oak  

On 1/24/2020 at 7:38 PM, Malcolm3 said:

So, for example, for Oak/Oak ship you could repair more HP and do it faster than for LiveOak/White Oak one?

If that is so, then it sounds good

 

[captain smile]

On 1/6/2020 at 5:11 PM, Gregory Rainsborough said:

BR for port battles are still too high.

People wishing to participate in RvR continue to move to nations that have shown a capability to field large fleets because they are a necessity to be competitive.

BR needs to be lowered to give smaller nations a chance to compete and to give an incentive for people to move to smaller nations.

I dont agree 5700 br and 10700 br its a good think , you just need to motivate your guys to participate more

[Conte D. Catellani]

Sadly, I think, also the timing of the pb is a factor that keep some players away. In my case for work and family can't stay up till late 

[Angus MacDuff]

12 hours ago, Captain2Strong said:

some people for example are not really into the time consuming/grindy things and just want to play more freely, only doing those grindy things when they are more necessary and avoiding them if they wish to do so

This is me.  I have that lovely purple Ocean that I have never sailed.  I find it completely fair if a PB commander doesn't want me in his fleet because I haven't bothered to open the slots.  I'm an okay sailor, but I can see that there would be preferred Captains.