Sella Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Göta Lejon Swedish 3rd Rate 70-76 guns 1746 Göta Lejon was built in Karskrona in 1746.She was rebuilt in 1769-1770 and served until 1816 when she was broken up. Model from Swedish Museum: Dimensions: Lenght of Gundeck: 164' Swedish Aln Breadth: 44' Swedish Aln Depth in Hold: 20' 6'' Swedish Aln Displacement: 2050-2100 ton Card from the museum: Plans: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1f006tmsye11huk/24.1a.pdf?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/uhtnyax2qg1wg1f/24.1b.pdf?dl=0 Armament(1746): Lower Gun Deck: 28 x Swedish 24-Pounder Upper Gun Deck: 26 x Swedish 18-Pounder Quarterdeck/Forecastle: 22 x Swedish 6-Pounder Armament(1770): Lower Gun Deck: 26 x Swedish 24-Pounder Upper Gun Deck: 26 x Swedish 18-Pounder Quarterdeck/Forecastle: 22 x Swedish 6-Pounder From Illustrerad Svensk sjökrigshistoria: delen. Omfattande tiden intill 1680 by Gunnar Unge: https://books.google.gr/books?id=RchAAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA305&lpg=RA1-PA305&dq=G%C3%B6ta+Lejon+1746&source=bl&ots=cqUK57WfQh&sig=HCvcixW-EML7fwOSAgOWj15TiQY&hl=el&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjypcXmza_PAhXGXBQKHRCxBqYQ6AEIYDAM#v=onepage&q=G%C3%B6ta%20Lejon&f=false Sources:http://digitaltmuseum.se/021025898367#&gid=1&pid=11 http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=10890 http://felipe.mbnet.fi/html/body_gota_lejon_1746.html http://felipe.mbnet.fi/Sweden/Sweden_Ships_1700-1860/sweden_ships_1700-1860.html https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Lejon_(1746) Original thread:http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/16653-göta-lejon-swedish-3rd-rate-1746-with-plans/ Edited September 6, 2017 by Sella22 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Nau Principe da Beira Portuguese 44(?) or 54(?) guns 1774 About the guns,sources say that she mounted 44 guns but i counted at least 52. Not to be mistaked with the Princesa da Beira: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=7891 Sources: http://triganices.blogspot.gr/2012/01/nau-princepe-da-beira.html http://marinhadeguerraportuguesa.blogspot.gr/2013_10_01_archive.html http://museu.marinha.pt/pt/exposicoes/exposicaopermanente/SeculoXVIII/Paginas/default.aspx http://3decks.pbworks.com/f/Catalogo+dos+navios+brigantinos+%281640-1910%29+-+Esparteiro.pdf Original thread: Edited September 6, 2017 by Sella22 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Yes, i know it's this ship again but a man can dream , can't he? In hope that something Greek, actually makes it into a game like this, i present: Hellas Greek frigate 62 guns 1826 Characteristics:Length:54 m Width: 14m Tonnage:1728 t Draft:4.2 m Guns:48(16 pdr) + 16 carronades(42 pdr) Her plans https://www.dropbox.com/s/34n9y6ozvjg9gh2/Hellas-Hudson%201.JPG?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/63964kab8hl9ebt/Hellas-Hudson%202.JPG?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/7x3qg2greo89pqv/Hellas-Hudson%203.JPG?dl=0 From "History of the American Sailing Navy" by Howard Chapelle: Sources:http://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/danfs/h/hudson-i.html Hellas http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=14692 USS Hudson/Liberator http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=2412 Model: http://greekshipmodels.com/ships/fregata-ellas/ Better resolution plans here: https://openlibrary.org/books/OL24398454M/The_history_of_the_American_sailing_Navy Edited September 6, 2017 by Sella22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Yes, i know it's this ship again but a man can dream , can't he? In hope that something Greek, actually makes it into a game like this, i also present: Don't stone me to death pls Loudovikos(Louis) Loudovikos was a corvette of the Hellenic Navy built in 1838 at the Poros Naval Shipyard, designed by naval architect Georgios Tombazis. It was a relatively large ship (length 44.1 m, 1000-ton displacement), was armed with two 22-lb plus four 20-lb long guns, and twenty-four 32-lb carronades, and had a crew of 182. The ship was not operationally utilized, and since 1846 it was used as a training ship (renamed Messolongion in 1862). It officially remained in service with the Hellenic Navy until 1873. Lenght:44.1 meters Width:11.7 meters Draft:4.5 meters Tonnage:1016 tons Crew: 182 Armamament: 2 x 22 pounder guns 4 x 20 pounder long guns 24 x 32 pounder carronades More images,model and info at(in Greek):http://www.greekshipmodels.com/default.aspx?pageid=170 Ship plans: https://www.dropbox.com/s/74c6u3xxa3j9up7/LOYDOVIKOS%20225.JPG?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/o8we1m1pp4zcg52/LOYDOVIKOS%20226.JPG?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/4oumqj3zc1hced7/LOYDOVIKOS%20227.JPG?dl=0 The pictures of the ship's plans where taken from the Hellenic Maritime Museum where they are exhibited. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
============= Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Dutch 80 Gun Lineship Wreker Nationality Batavian Republic Operator State Navy Keel Laid Down 1797/12/01 Launched 1798/07/28 Shipyard Amsterdam Naval Yard Ship Class Wreeker Class Constructor R. Dorman Category Third Rate National Rate First Charter Ship Type Ship of the Line Length of Gundeck 169' 11"French Feet Length of Keel 159' 6"French Feet Breadth 44' 5"French Feet Depth in Hold 19' 2"French Feet Draught Forward 18' 4"French Feet Draught Aft 19' 2"French Feet Displacement 2900Ton Armament 1798/07/28Broadside Weight = 1188 Dutch pound (1293.732 lbs 586.9908 kg)Lower Gun Deck 28 Dutch 36-PounderUpper Gun Deck 30 Dutch 30-PounderQuarterdeck/Forecastle 2 Dutch 60-Pound CarronadeQuarterdeck/Forecastle 6 Dutch 30-Pound CarronadeQuarterdeck/Forecastle 14 Dutch 12-Pounder Blue Prints http://proxy.handle.net/10648/d3334e0c-e36e-7b05-068a-af695abc716b http://proxy.handle.net/10648/a838b382-5dff-6a82-ef64-11abf42868a4 http://proxy.handle.net/10648/64f8629a-b3b2-a07e-7b31-11b39d1fb2c8 http://proxy.handle.net/10648/7c66280f-faea-6082-115b-6f2efd5104b0 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 24 minutes ago, flewfy1 said: Dutch 80 Gun Lineship Wreker Nationality Batavian Republic Operator State Navy Keel Laid Down 1797/12/01 Launched 1798/07/28 Shipyard Amsterdam Naval Yard Ship Class Wreeker Class Constructor R. Dorman Category Third Rate National Rate First Charter Ship Type Ship of the Line Length of Gundeck 169' 11"French Feet Length of Keel 159' 6"French Feet Breadth 44' 5"French Feet Depth in Hold 19' 2"French Feet Draught Forward 18' 4"French Feet Draught Aft 19' 2"French Feet Displacement 2900Ton Armament 1798/07/28Broadside Weight = 1188 Dutch pound (1293.732 lbs 586.9908 kg)Lower Gun Deck 28 Dutch 36-PounderUpper Gun Deck 30 Dutch 30-PounderQuarterdeck/Forecastle 2 Dutch 60-Pound CarronadeQuarterdeck/Forecastle 6 Dutch 30-Pound CarronadeQuarterdeck/Forecastle 14 Dutch 12-Pounder Blue Prints http://proxy.handle.net/10648/d3334e0c-e36e-7b05-068a-af695abc716b http://proxy.handle.net/10648/a838b382-5dff-6a82-ef64-11abf42868a4 http://proxy.handle.net/10648/64f8629a-b3b2-a07e-7b31-11b39d1fb2c8 http://proxy.handle.net/10648/7c66280f-faea-6082-115b-6f2efd5104b0 Admiraal Zoutman, Wreker class yes, and more intresting a floating dock the Republic used a lot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
============= Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 29 minutes ago, pietjenoob said: Admiraal Zoutman, Wreker class yes, and more intresting a floating dock the Republic used a lot Amsterdam Naval Yard bild 7 ships of the Wreker class Wreker 1798 Chattam 1799 Zoutman 1800 De Ruyter 1806 Leeuw 1806 De Ruyter 1808 Evertsen 1808 This where exectly the seem bild ships 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tjerk Hiddes de Vries Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Zeven Provincien! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knobby Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Zeven Provincien (1782) pls Edited September 6, 2017 by Knobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DestroyerNL Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) On 30-8-2017 at 0:45 PM, admin said: Captains. We need to fill 3 gaps in the ship line up. lol 3 ? make it 30 nation wide. Anyway i go for the * 7Provincien Edited September 6, 2017 by DestroyerNL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Maybe make a seperate thread for discussing like it was last year? This thread screams for restructuring imho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thonys Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, DestroyerNL said: lol 3 ? make it 30 nation wide. Anyway i go for the * 7Provincien here some clarification on the time i go for the : De Zeven Provinciën 1782-1794 Admiraliteit van het Noorderkwartier, linieschip van 74 stukken. In 1794 voor de sloop verkocht. admiralty of the northern quartor sol 74 guns sold in 1794 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. De Zeven Provinciën 1643-1659 Admiraliteit van Amsterdam, linieschip van 32-48 stukken. Schip deed mee in de Slag bij Elba (1652) en Slag bij Livorno (1653). Tussen 1655 en 1659 in het eskader van Michiel de Ruyter naar de Oostzee en Portugal. 2. De Zeven Provinciën 1665-’67 (gehuurd) Admiraliteit van Amsterdam, linieschip van 48 stukken. Ook De Verenigde Provinciën of De Provinciën genoemd. Deed mee aan Slag bij Lowestoft (1665), Tweedaagse zeeslag (1666) en Tocht naar Chatham (1667). Naam gewijzigd in Sint Jan Baptista. 3. De Zeven Provinciën 1665-1694 Admiraliteit van de Maze, linieschip van 80 stukken. Deed mee aan Vierdaagse Zeeslag (1666), Tweedaagse zeeslag (1666), Tocht naar Chatham (1667), Slag bij Solebay (1672), Slag bij Schooneveld (1673), Slag bij Kijkduin (1673) en Slag bij Cap de la Hogue (1692). 1665: tijdelijk onder bevel Aert van Nes 1665-1674: vlaggeschip admiraal Michiel de Ruyter 1678: onder bevel schout-bij-nacht Jan van Brakel 1691: onder bevel Jan Snellen 1692: onder bevel Evert de Lieffde en lek geschoten in de slag bij La Hogue 1694: voor sloop verkocht 1995- ± 2015: gereconstrueerd op de Bataviawerf 4. De Zeven Provinciën 1694-1706 Admiraliteit van de Maze, linieschip van 92 stukken. 1696: vlaggeschip G. Callenburgh, in vloot Ph. van Almonde 1701-1703: vlaggeschip Ph. van der Goes 1702: deelname aan Slag bij Vigo en beleg van Barcelona. 1702: vlaggeschip P. van der Dussen 1705: gestrand op de Hinder bij de Maasmond en een jaar later als wrak verkocht. 5. De Zeven Provinciën 1782-1794 Admiraliteit van het Noorderkwartier, linieschip van 74 stukken. In 1794 voor de sloop verkocht. 6. De Zeven Provinciën 1909-1936 Koninklijke Marine, pantserdekschip. Het schip werd berucht vanwege de muiterij aan boord in februari 1933, waaraan door de regering op harde wijze (een bombardement) een eind werd gemaakt. In 1937 hernoemd en in gebruik genomen als Opleidingsschip Hr.Ms. Soerabaia. Dit schip werd in 1942 door een Japanse luchtaanval tot zinken gebracht nabij de haven van Surabaja (Oost-Java). 6a. De Zeven Provinciën (1939)1944-1950 Koninklijke Marine, kruiser. Nooit onder deze naam in de vaart gekomen. De nog niet afgebouwde scheepsromp werd in 1950 herdoopt tot Hr.Ms. De Ruyter. 7. De Zeven Provinciën 1950-1976 Koninklijke Marine, kruiser. In 1976 verkocht aan Peru en herdoopt als Aguirre. Dit schip werd in 2001 gesloopt. 8. De Zeven Provinciën (1997- ) Koninklijke Marine, luchtgeleiding- en commandofregat (LCF). Vanaf april 2002 in dienst. (Bron: 'Schepen van Gewelt', door A. van der Peet en A. de Wit (Instituut voor Maritieme Historie / Koninklijke Marine), Franeker, 2002. Edited September 6, 2017 by Thonys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Thonys said: here some clarification on the time 3. De Zeven Provinciën 1665-1694 Admiraliteit van de Maze, linieschip van 80 stukken. Deed mee aan Vierdaagse Zeeslag (1666), Tweedaagse zeeslag (1666), Tocht naar Chatham (1667), Slag bij Solebay (1672), Slag bij Schooneveld (1673), Slag bij Kijkduin (1673) en Slag bij Cap de la Hogue (1692). 1665: tijdelijk onder bevel Aert van Nes 1665-1674: vlaggeschip admiraal Michiel de Ruyter 1678: onder bevel schout-bij-nacht Jan van Brakel 1691: onder bevel Jan Snellen 1692: onder bevel Evert de Lieffde en lek geschoten in de slag bij La Hogue 1694: voor sloop verkocht 1995- ± 2015: gereconstrueerd op de Bataviawerf 4. De Zeven Provinciën 1694-1706 Admiraliteit van de Maze, linieschip van 92 stukken. 1696: vlaggeschip G. Callenburgh, in vloot Ph. van Almonde 1701-1703: vlaggeschip Ph. van der Goes 1702: deelname aan Slag bij Vigo en beleg van Barcelona. 1702: vlaggeschip P. van der Dussen 1705: gestrand op de Hinder bij de Maasmond en een jaar later als wrak verkocht. 5. De Zeven Provinciën 1782-1794 Admiraliteit van het Noorderkwartier, linieschip van 74 stukken. In 1794 voor de sloop verkocht. I personally would go for the 1782 variant since timeline and the Chattam, 80 Wreker-class 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 One class that is still missing in this game and the list as we have it is the Temeraire class, 74 gunned 3rd rate ship of the line. The first page has a reply that features one this class' vessels the "Redoutable" which fought broadside to broadside with HMS Victory at Trafalgar. So now I present you the "le Rivoli": Beeing of the Temeraire class she was armed with: 28 x 36pd long guns 30 x 18pd long guns 14 x 8pd long guns & 10 x 36pd carros A crew of 690 men and 3 officers (thats not much, is it) She has a rather unimpressive time in the french navy since she was actually captured on her very first voyage by the british. plans and paintings: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) 59 minutes ago, BungeeLemming said: So now I present you the "le Rivoli": Beeing of the Temeraire class she was armed with: 28 x 36pd long guns 30 x 18pd long guns 14 x 8pd long guns & 10 x 36pd carros A crew of 690 men and 3 officers (thats not much, is it) From the thread you quote : On 09/10/2016 at 10:45 PM, Surcouf said: Le Rivoli is not a vessel of 74 of the same class as le Témeraire. This is a 74 "small model". Another type of vessel of the 74 type Sané. ______________________________ 59 minutes ago, BungeeLemming said: She has a rather unimpressive time in the french navy since she was actually captured on her very first voyage by the british. So why choosing this one ? Edited September 6, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Cause my browser went down in front of me and I didnt feel the urge to describe her further. Beeing a small temeraire still means she is from similar plans. dimensions scaled down and whatnot. It was described in that thread in more detail She is definately interesting since she was build in shallow waters and helped towards the deep sea by pontons or whatever they are called.. Quite a feet to bring a 3rd rate ship of the line from a shallow port towards her destiny. Flyff describes how she was build in venice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRuyter Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 @admin I am updating to post a single ship suggestion - May we suggest our choice for each category of ship? My pick for heavy frigate 50-60 guns is Delft 54 gun ship built in 1783. IRL a 4th rate but in game would match well with the heavy frigates. LOD 144 ft, Beam 40 ft, DOH 16 ft 1040 tons LD 22 x 24pdr, UD 24 x 12pdr, QD&FC 8x 6 pdr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_ship_Delft_(1783 Plus there is a replica being (slowly) built in Rotterdam (Delftshaven). http://www.dedelft.nl/museum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Could we perhaps have a poll of all these wonderfull suggestions? Seriously I get a massive mental boner just looking at some of the plans and if I had to choose I'd just pick all of them.. A poll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bearwall said: Could we perhaps have a poll of all these wonderfull suggestions? Seriously I get a massive mental boner just looking at some of the plans and if I had to choose I'd just pick all of them.. A poll! 23 hours ago, admin said: we will stop accepting proposals on friday and will open the poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 minute ago, LeBoiteux said: Arh.... Thanks.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 Unnamed Portuguese no date (2nd half of the XVIIIth-century ?) date of the english plan : ca. February 1811 182 ft 74-gun Third Rate two decker http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81037.html Original thread:http://forum.game-labs.net/topic/7306-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016/?do=findComment&comment=140159 Credits to @LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, DesMoines said: Portuguese Heavy Frigate ..==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dom_Fernando_II_e_Glória Having been launched out of the time frame (1843), she seems overpowered compared to the other 50-gun Heavy Frigate, USS Constitution, doesn't she ? The former carried 32-pdr and 18-pdr guns while the latter 24-pdr and 12-pdr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) Le Jason is a 52-gun frigate that carries a light armament compared to say USS Constitution, as she was built in early 18-th century. But very nice looking, isn't she ? Le Jason French Frigate 52 guns 1724 Built by G. Poirier at Le Havre. Dimensions : 124' x 33' x 15'6" Armament : 22 x 12-pdr + 24 x 8-pdr + 6 x 4-pdr (according to the annual Navy List, see below and Boudriot, p. 35) 22 x 18-pdr + 24 x 6-pdr + 6 x 4-pdr (in 1740, according to 3decks) Plans available at : Museum of the French navy, n° J.9q-6951 Boudriot, History of the French Frigate, p. 28-29 Source : Boudriot, History of the French Frigate, p. 28-29, 35 https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=2296 Edited September 8, 2017 by LeBoiteux 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riparian Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Dutch 3rd rate would certainly be a good choice. Something like Admiraal de Ruyter (1808, Dutch 80-gun ship) as proposed on this thread. Also we should remember that she was 5th in the 2016 poll. However, I would propose the ship that came fourth in 2016 poll and lost by less than 20 votes. Venus (1783, Swedish 40-gun frigate) Venus was built following the Bellona design by Fredrik Chapman, the first frigates to carry 24-pounder guns. She was captured by the Russians in 1789. She retained the same name in Imperial Russian service and participated in the battle of Reval and in the battle of Vyborg Bay. She was sold to the Kingdom of Naples in 1807 to avoid capture by the British. Venus and her sister ships sailed exceptionally well, doing 13-14 knots with a good wind. Pictures / 3-Decks / Wiki 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolando Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Касательно 3-х рейтов скажу, что необходим более быстрый и легкий корабль, по сравнению с Беллоной. Этому условию удовлетворяет Монтанец , например, в его следующей версии вооружения: нижний дек -28 24ф орудия, верхний дек - 30 18ф орудия, бак и кватердек - 16 8ф (в игре - 9ф) орудия, парочку можно сделать погонными. Максимальная скорость (фирового) - 14 узлов. Экипаж - 675 человек. Если же будет вводиться в игру и 3-й рейт с более сильным вооружением, то оригинально смотрятся голландские "Семь провинций" 17 века, на который в игре можно будет ставить 36ф орудия. Вооружения рейта 36\18\6ф еще нет в игре. Под ТТХ 36\18\9ф можно также взять любого 74-пушечного "француза", например, "Риволи" (с наполеоновской символикой в украшениях). Касательно фрегатов в игре бы смотрелся оригинально голландский "Принс Виллем".В легкой версии своего вооружения он при желании попадает в "низ" 5 класса, в тяжелой версии - в "верх" 5 класса. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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