Lard Vicious-----"Loyal" Member of the American Council

[Nash]

 

 

love your nades cerb

[Lord Vicious]

 wow you ganked 3:1 some throwaway ships , if this an attempt to  boost your morale you must be pretty desperate, we gonna engage even 1 vs 4 with captured ships, cause is free gold xp and fun

all that matters is real fights such as : 

 

ps: the bellonas that exploded, got captured thx

in 2 days you lost 81 ships include 11 pavels 1 santi 6 bellonas countless 3rd and consti while all ships we have lost are 11 captured ship and 90% of this amount was in a 3:1 odd battle in an irrilevant ow fight impressive, keep teaching us tda!

 

Edited March 27, 2016 by Lord Vicious

[Dius]

 

So where is the BIG BATTLE you mention at the beginning of the vid?

 

BTW congrats on the Cerb, welcome to 1 month ago...

[Johny Reb]

I am CSY not stars, and no need to feign sympathy or state I am angry lol, its a game and you dont know me well enough to make such a claim, I merely speak truthfully about what i have seen in game. As for the daily abuse of TF and TDA from stars I cant agree that I witnessed this during euro timezone and if there was banter going on TF TDA gave as good as they got. Think you have a bit of a victim complex there. I am sorry for including you as an STARS guys if you are not but it doesn't matter either way. As for being angry, you sure do come across that way. You might as well own up to it. There is no sin in being angry. The sad thing is that you are angry about things you are ignorant about and about people you don't even know and have never talked to. As a CSY member you should have plenty of examples how we ordered people around because CSY was a part of the counsel. But it is evident, in spite of your bias, that the counsel has never ordered anyone around and that its goal to unite the clans so that we can be a better team is exactly what it is.

I don't know what you saw in your time zone but TF/TDA didn't put out anywhere near the amount of trolling and bad behavior as you and your friends did. Dang, Sam couldn't put a simple recruitment post up without 3-5 STARS members attacking or mocking it and that was daily. Our policy at TF was to ignore the comments from STARS and we enforced it. When confronted on STARS TS about their trolling, Vicious said he really didn't have any problem with Sam he just enjoyed trolling him.

 

It is a narrative that has been created by negativity and that negativity was reinforced by the 2 main clans in US taking a dislike to a clan that would not do as they were told and were obtuse, even rude at times maybe.This statement highlights your ignorance about everything that caused the split between the front line clans and STARS. Yet you somehow feel morally justified to be indignant. But the narrative must include the underhand tactics  used by decatur to somehow paint stars and others as some type of exploiters, a narrative carefully planned by him and others to discredit players that were working to strenthen the US by taking ports that were promised and then denied by the Brits.Carefully planned? And by what reason do you conclude that this was a planned event? Did you not see the tribunal about the same subject that was started before Dectaur's post. I guess you didn't. Did you see my response in it? No of course not because you would have seen we wanted to use the technique as much as you guys did. Stephen's post was to force a decision by the admins by making it public because the admin was being non-committal in private chat. If it was allowed then we wanted to do it.

Btw... lets see how much you really know man...how did you know that the Brits had promised to return those ports and then backed off of that promise?

 

I think this was a bigger act of treachery than any name calling, disobeying council wishes or general bs that goes on in any nation. Underhand, cowardly and certainly warrants all US players taking a good hard look at exactly what type of so called leader they want because what was done to Stars and others over the last few days can be done to them tomorrow if they dont follow the stephen Decatur vision if there actually is one.

I am not trying to insult you Jameson by speaking of your ignorance. Ignorance is not stupid. It simply means you lack knowledge. You have been one of the most vocal guys in these forums against us yet you know absolutely nothing, from what I can tell, about all the conversations and reasons for all that has happened and the course of events that history took. You are all upset and hateful towards a group that you know very little about and your accusations come not from experience but from a one sided analysis of others. If you were honest with yourself you would see this and maybe you'd try to understand both sides before acting the expert and judge in these forums.

[Lord Vicious]

I am not trying to insult you Jameson by speaking of your ignorance. 

 

LoL

 

Thomas u did a great service to the USA nation all should be grateful to you, alienating not one but 2 clan, what a wise leader

 

where is TF btw? all i see is tda+others, TF seams hiding from this battles leaving others to fight a war you started

Edited March 27, 2016 by Lord Vicious

[Lord Vicious]

I think you are seeing the weakness of your argument and anger Jameson and I'm sorry for it. As an example you use something that supposedly happened two weeks ago or so yet as an argument to not be influenced by vicious you say you have been gone for three days. So you WERE around two weeks ago.

 

I seem to remember a post by V. himself not long past that admitted that we said we had no interest in how STARS conducted themselves in the gulf. Could you point to one place, one screenshot, one recorded statement by us that said you couldn't attack those ports in the gulf? Its a rhetorical question Jameson. I know you can't because we never said anything of the sort even if you've been told otherwise. Our policy was simply to ignore STARS and tell the nations we worked with that you are a different entity and that they should deal with you guys directly. You can verify that with them.

 

I am really sorry Jameson that someone has led you to believe that we throw orders around and expect people to follow them. It just wasn't true. You should really doubt your sources.

 

You must be honest here with yourself. Everyday we had Vicious calling us names and using his fleets as ports as ammunition against us. Daily we were attacked by trolls in chat. We were called noobs and paper clans.

Did you ever notice we never said anything against CSY. Even though they were working right beside you and supporting you and doing the same things you were doing, we never said a negative word about them. Why, they didn't say a negative word about us. They were even a part of the council. We never told them to stop hanging out with you guys or anything.

 

I'm telling you man to man... you have been manipulated to believe a narrative that has not truth.

When stars attacked any port in the gulf every time we pulled a flag tf-tda and others where flamings us, calling us rogue, traitors etc

IS the exact same thing the leader of the britain told me you tell them.

 

A new clan offered to make a new national ts3, NEUTRAL, not owned by tf becouse your tf is not the national (once again you try to enforce a control so you can ban and decide who to exclude if he not follow your direction)

 

And suddently sam adams convoed him tryng to force them to be in your ts3, telling them that tf ts3 is the national one, they should not do that etc

 

Or when you went to the new american clan from pvp2 telling them to join your council and they told you to gtfo, and suddently they are "rogue" too ?

 

Csy merged with us and who not merged went pirate, wonder why?    Remember after you have speak with me and duke for join the council and you kicked CSY rappresentative from ts3?   becouse they where collaborating with us? and then he joined back telling you: if you voted for kick them out and your meeting was silent for the embarassment?

 

I can go on and on, showing how You tryed by spreading false story about us to put us on a corner, and how you use your council as a tool for enforce your way.

 

Anybody with a iq over 100 can see this, beside your sychophants, even when we where still usa, you pulled multiple thread against our logo (made by a tda btw) , the reinforcement thing:  now one of your guys ask for a server wipe cause we are kicking your ass left and right,(and everybody is laughing at him) than the clan tag, etc etc you try to accomplish thrue forums something you cant in game. Becouse you still in a damn frig, you are leaders who not play the game and pretend that others follow you. 

 

 

Thomas do you really think Duke not have gave me all your conversations with him? where you where tryng to deal with him on my back, and licking his ass for have stars on your side for make us do what you wanted?  Me and him agreed  to play bad cop good cop on you since day 1, knowing your attitude to have 2 faces.   Jeez you even believed him when he told you that i went pirate only with a group of ppl, while we where killing your fleets, and he promised you to keep the remain of stars in the council. 

 

get over it man all that is happening must be blamed on you, and your total inability on politics, this is a naval game not a rpg where from your weakness and talking you can enforce something. Becouse you not gonna exit from this situation with words and forums i ensure you

Edited March 27, 2016 by Lord Vicious

[Powderhorn]

where is TF btw? all i see is tda+others, TF seams hiding from this battles leaving others to fight a war you started

Odd phrasing. "A war you started." I don't really care for your response at this point, it's just going to come off as yet another frothy diatribe.

As for where TF was, the list involved can be seen here:

SS Gold D Rogers - 3rd Rate

SS pirate lunchbox - 3rd Rate

SS Tokyo Express - Frigate

SS Malocyte - Constitution

SS Folk - Snow

SS Flintes - Cerberus

SS ServenthDevil7 - 3rd Rate

SS Sir Fartsalot - Constitution

SS Orleanjunky - Constitution

SS Trauma The Serpent - Cerberus

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TDA Pada - Bellona

Diceman - Cerberus

TF Dances with Mullet - Constitution

Roxanne - Essex

TF Zanman - 3rd Rate

TDA Unscrupulous Bastard - Belle Poule

TF TheAmerican - Constitution

TDA Vernon Merrill - Constitution

TF Wilford Tibbetts - Constitution

HossDogg - Belle Poule

TF Kolyde - St Pavel

William Ladd - Basic Cutter

TF Norwood - Renommee

CMC Dave Porter - Belle Poule

TDA Young - Frigate

TF Hans Wilhelm - Trincomalee

FF Karaya1 - Constitution

FF Runen - Constitution

TDA MacVaultDweller - Bellona

TDA Leviathan - Constitution

TF Yosemite Sam - 3rd Rate

TDA David Hawkins - Constitution

[Devil's Wrath]

I find it funny that Vicious is celebrating his 1v7s and 9v18s, when the other side has considerably smaller BR rating. It's like a drunkard in his prime at a bar beating up high schoolers and bragging about it. Bragging about winning easy victories is nothing.

Like last night, I had a SS 3rd rate down 50% in my Niagara when he ran away. SS claimed that was nothing and I should easily be able to solo a 3rd Rate in my Niagara (BR 100 vs 500 BR). By BR that is 1 to 5. Yet, last night Stars, in a force of mostly Santis, Victories, 3rd Rates, and Pavels, yes, were able to defeat the US 3x in open battle when they were favored 2.5 and 3 to 1 in BR. However, we stopped their flags from making it to port, which was the only goal we had. So they brag about their easy victories in which the odds are heavily in their favor, and say their enemies victories, when the odds are 5 to 1 against them, don't count. When they meet an equal force, they will have no chance.

You know, you keep saying the same thing over and over...when we meet you with an equal force it will be different.  How about you just let us know when that will be.  Your "victories" by stopping the flags mean nothing.  We knew the flags you stopped wouldn't ever make it to be planted.  We simply hoped you'd actually make an effort to fight us.   I guess you could say you tried.  What I thought was hilarious was how fast all the TF and TDA leaders in all 3 fights ran away and left all the others in battle to die without helping them. 

 

You want to know why we didn't lose anyone?  Because we won't leave someone behind no matter what boat they are in or the odds.  If people withdraw its because they are told to by those others in the battle. I personally sailed a Victory in the path of many enemy boats, as did many others in Pavels and 1st rates to block for our people.  It's called teamwork.  Once you can learn to do it, you may be more successful in large battles, but I guess you really took that training tool away from yourselves.

 

As for those of you who want to play the "BR game"...In my experiences, the BR really doesn't have anything to do with the outcome, or do you intend to take glory away from a small gang in basic cutters that sinks a 3rd rate (or any lopsided fight like it)?   Every time something doesn't go your way there always seems to be an excuse or a spin put to it.  At some point, can we all just meet, fight, sink shit and move on without the bullshit slinging.

 

Good luck to you US Captains.  We'll see you on the high seas.   BTW...great job on the port surrender when you killed your own tower so you could escape.  I choked on my dinner when someone told me about that tonight.

[Orbmorphia]

This is better than watching an episode of the Kardashians.

[Devil's Wrath]

Odd phrasing. "A war you started." I don't really care for your response at this point, it's just going to come off as yet another frothy diatribe.

As for where TF was, the list involved can be seen here:

SS Gold D Rogers - 3rd Rate

SS pirate lunchbox - 3rd Rate

SS Tokyo Express - Frigate

SS Malocyte - Constitution

SS Folk - Snow

SS Flintes - Cerberus

SS ServenthDevil7 - 3rd Rate

SS Sir Fartsalot - Constitution

SS Orleanjunky - Constitution

SS Trauma The Serpent - Cerberus

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TDA Pada - Bellona

Diceman - Cerberus

TF Dances with Mullet - Constitution

Roxanne - Essex

TF Zanman - 3rd Rate

TDA Unscrupulous Bastard - Belle Poule

TF TheAmerican - Constitution

TDA Vernon Merrill - Constitution

TF Wilford Tibbetts - Constitution

HossDogg - Belle Poule

TF Kolyde - St Pavel

William Ladd - Basic Cutter

TF Norwood - Renommee

CMC Dave Porter - Belle Poule

TDA Young - Frigate

TF Hans Wilhelm - Trincomalee

FF Karaya1 - Constitution

FF Runen - Constitution

TDA MacVaultDweller - Bellona

TDA Leviathan - Constitution

TF Yosemite Sam - 3rd Rate

TDA David Hawkins - Constitution

This would be one battle.  I'd say thank you to you guys for coming out to fight, but you weren't very gracious or nice in your little chat you had going. (just watched the youtube vid) (dice...you gotta work on your aim, man :-)  ) Our guys went looking for an engagement, they found one.  They were appreciative of you fighting, even though they knew they would lose.  You guys were a bunch of dicks during your voice comms...but that would be typical.  Heard that many times over in other fights while on the same team.  I point out my post above....can't we at least be civil in our battles?

[StandingCow]

This would be one battle.  I'd say thank you to you guys for coming out to fight, but you weren't very gracious or nice in your little chat you had going. (just watched the youtube vid) (dice...you gotta work on your aim, man :-)  ) Our guys went looking for an engagement, they found one.  They were appreciative of you fighting, even though they knew they would lose.  You guys were a bunch of dicks during your voice comms...but that would be typical.  Heard that many times over in other fights while on the same team.  I point out my post above....can't we at least be civil in our battles?

 

Come on now, let's not pretend that any side is civil toward the enemy in their own private TS chat. 

[Devil's Wrath]

Come on now, let's not pretend that any side is civil toward the enemy in their own private TS chat. 

TBH...we actually pretty much just talk about what's going on in the battle.  At least most of us do.  When the shit slinging starts in comms, guys are usually "battle commed" real fast.  But you're right.  It's not going to stop.  I would just rather it was kept in the confines of the TS and battle.  I don't really agree with everyone posting things up to "take shots" at each other on the forums anymore.  It's getting old.

[StandingCow]

TBH...we actually pretty much just talk about what's going on in the battle.  At least most of us do.  When the shit slinging starts in comms, guys are usually "battle commed" real fast.  But you're right.  It's not going to stop.  I would just rather it was kept in the confines of the TS and battle.  I don't really agree with everyone posting things up to "take shots" at each other on the forums anymore.  It's getting old.

 

Agreed.

[Sampo]

Isn't this a bit tacky to have a forum topic that is a person's name? On top of that either purposefully or not insulting misspelling that name.

 

Whether or not you like this particular player and their actions. This is kinda well, no?

 

If you want to run on particular clan's actions and it's successes or failures, title it to the clan not one person in it.

[Powderhorn]

TBH...we actually pretty much just talk about what's going on in the battle.  At least most of us do.  When the shit slinging starts in comms, guys are usually "battle commed" real fast.  But you're right.  It's not going to stop.  I would just rather it was kept in the confines of the TS and battle.  I don't really agree with everyone posting things up to "take shots" at each other on the forums anymore.  It's getting old.

 

Usually, things are battle comm'd pretty quickly.  Is it any surprise it wasn't in this case?  For better or for worse, STARS' defection has made it one of the most hated clans in the US Faction, unsurprisingly.  And, somehow I wound up in nominal command of the whole thing by dint of being the one to call for people to gather up and sally forth.  My own management style tends to be fairly "hands off" (as opposed to micromanagement).  (This is also true in the real world, when I'm in charge of emergency scenes.)  By and large, I'm not surprised that there was a harder edge in fighting the clan formerly known as STARS, and I was the one that let it run, again, for better or for worse.

 

However, I agree, the forum nonsense is a lot of nonsense.  It'll be nice when relations normalize in due time (which I imagine will be after the port wipe with land coming into battles).

[Devil's Wrath]

Honestly, I've tried to be a cool head..yes me...it does happen.  It's time for the damn egos to deflate a little and make this a VIDEO GAME again.  I'm still going to blow holes in anyone who comes out to fight, but that's what we're supposed to be doing.  If I sink I sink.  If you fight me fairly and  you win, you'll get a gf...you'll get the same from me if I win.  What I will not tolerate is someone who's supposed to be a "leader" trash talking me in a 3v1 battle even though I've said nothing at all to you to warrant it.  I hope EVERYONE who reads this takes that to heart....on both sides.  I don't care who you sail for.  If this bullshit behavior keeps up you're going to lose people who will help you.  Ganks are going to happen, it's the law of warfare 3-1 odds always.  Just stop being assholes about the whole thing, take your lumps, and move on.  "Don't sail what you can't afford to lose" right?

[Pagan Pete]

 

in 2 days you lost 81 ships include 11 pavels 1 santi 6 bellonas countless 3rd and consti...

 

That would explain the increase in player traders hauling ship making goods that ole Pagan Pete has been taking in the last few days! 

A weaker USA and more bling for me crew…

Its a Win / Win! 

Edited March 27, 2016 by Pagan Pete

[Brogsitter]

Out of popcorn... cant wait to get back into game. My machin will be fixed soon

[BarnesBL0278]

Professionalism, gentlemen. That's the real yardstick by which you're measured. Not by who brought the biggest ship.

Now let's all be a little more professional. Clan leaders and officers should be especially aware of this, as leadership has far less to do with your proficiency than it does with your exemplification of leadership traits and principles. Shit talking and general buffoonery are the opposite of this. To this end, I strongly suggest that A) anyone whose leadership engages in such activity should seriously reconsider their allegiance, and anyone who holds a leadership position doing these things study the 14 leadership traits and 11 leadership principles. Failure to do that may result in your subordinates realizing that your inability to remain calm in the forums and let your actions do the talking speaks volumes of your fitness to command. More importantly, they may just realize that anyone who is so concerned with their reputation on the internet as to get involved in lengthy disputes and brag about every success is most likely there not to provide sound leadership and a good game experience, but to build their self image.

[Powderhorn]

I didn't expect to come across JJDIDTIEBUCKLE this early in the day...

[BarnesBL0278]

I'm SMEACing that BAMCIS all over the place.

[Powderhorn]

Wait wait wait, I was just a lowly Doc, so I didn't have that nonsense drilled in me day and night, but I thought BAMCIS was for a FRAGO?

[Diceman]

So where is the BIG BATTLE you mention at the beginning of the vid?

BTW congrats on the Cerb, welcome to 1 month ago...

I don't see why you need to attack me for what ship I sail... A Cerberus is appropriate for my rank. It's the largest I can fully man.

Two of your guys were in Cerberus' and one was in a Snow... What's that say about them???

[Diceman]

This would be one battle. I'd say thank you to you guys for coming out to fight, but you weren't very gracious or nice in your little chat you had going. (just watched the youtube vid) (dice...you gotta work on your aim, man :-) ) Our guys went looking for an engagement, they found one. They were appreciative of you fighting, even though they knew they would lose. You guys were a bunch of dicks during your voice comms...but that would be typical. Heard that many times over in other fights while on the same team. I point out my post above....can't we at least be civil in our battles?

I thought this was one of my better battles aim wise!! ????

[Justme]

Isn't this a bit tacky to have a forum topic that is a person's name? On top of that either purposefully or not insulting misspelling that name.

 

Whether or not you like this particular player and their actions. This is kinda well, no?

 

If you want to run on particular clan's actions and it's successes or failures, title it to the clan not one person in it.

At least when I troll/insult someone I don't resort to childish misspelling of their name/gamer tag.