admin Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Teutonic said: I'm not sure about other groups, but we have been able to do the hostility missions with 3 guys at minimum (but it was rough). Once we added a 4th player it was not hard. from your experience they are easy you are a pro from new player perspective the mountain is insurmountable. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox2run Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, Jef said: Reason people are around the capital area's is to find people to fight, and raid. Now with that gone, I have no incentive to go sailing for hours in the hopes of finding somebody... And vice versa I enjoyed hunting down raiders attacking KPR or Belize. And scare them off or fight (and often die ). I literally jumped in a privateer to hunt Dutch Traders, that is now off the books, as that entire region is basically protected now. I avoided anything below 'master and commander' lvl, even gave money to dutch starters and tips on how to avoid us 'raiders'. But where do I find these traders now, with that entire region on lock down... I also raided the French,Swedes I would sail up and down between Carriacou and Desirades and hunt traders sailing between bridgetown and Fort Royal, again this is now off the books as that region is also on lock down. So where do I hunt traders now... I could join some of my clan mates and do PVE missions now all around protected Jamaica and fight AI, but that's not why I joined a PVP server. I know its an old song. But imagine a 10 or 15 minute joining timer at ROE. BR doesnt matter. What happens is that the closer to an enemy port you get the more dangerous it becomes to attack a ship. Pretty much like in real life. If you are more than 10-15 minutes away from a port - say somewhere at the open sea - no one can come for help. Pretty much in real life. For the traders going across the open sea the benefits for huge profits must be enhanced. In this way pirates have their real role as they had. No pirate ever sailed just in front of a fort capturing traders. They did so in remote corners. A longer joning timer would reflect this. Longer joning timers would also make big battles an option. Sail out - find a battle- enjoy the action. I simply wonder why the ability to join action has been limited to enhance gankers close to enemy capitals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahzor Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, admin said: You did. So why don't you pvp pvp players? In unprotected waters. There are plenty of activity around hostility these days. . Everyone is raising hostility or doing port battles? Why don't you fight those who can and want to fight back? We are sure they will come out and start coming out more.. but there will be less hunting in areas around uncapturable islands or coasts. Good point. And as i see it, PvP 'zones' will just set after some of the first ports got flipped. there will be a lot RvR (I hope) and fleet PvP action. Fight for 'rare' ressources. Let small clan have ports, why not, i aggree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, admin said: from your experience they are easy you are a pro from new player perspective the mountain is insurmountable. true. could the missions then scale up as you add more people into the mission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Jean Ribault said: Taxing players is a huge mistake. no. for new players it will be business as usual. first the profits margins are 3-4x+ or more on trading goods second most games have taxes third - trade with untaxed ports and again - for new players this will be fine 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Teutonic said: true. could the missions then scale up as you add more people into the mission? but then defenders won't be able to come in. Maybe we should lower number of ships in missions and limit the entry by ship type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jef Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, admin said: You did. So why don't you pvp pvp players? In unprotected waters. There are plenty. Everyone is raising hostility or doing port battles? Why don't you fight those who can fight back? Oh I fought more then just traders, but you are missing the point... if those area's are protected where most people are, how can we find people that do venture outside of these regions. Especially with the current amount of people! Why not come with options of doing convoy missions for people etc, I'm a trader myself, I hire clan members to protect me when I went around Jamaica or did bigger trips. Regarding hostility grinding, yeah I spend my fair time helping out... but try finding the enemy fleet... with the mission spawn all over the place.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahzor Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, admin said: no. for new players it will be business as usual. first the profits margins are 3-4x+ or more on trading goods second most games have taxes third - trade with untaxed ports and again - for new players this will be fine As seen in Eve it also could be interisting to Tax the money out of the mission from the Port triggered, same as killing ships in the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Yngvarr said: so, apparently, some nations get a PB, most don't. This is fair how? This is an alpha. Expect bugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DestroyerNL Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Louis Garneray said: I was in one of the Bucentaure (and on the frontline) and in one of the fights I lost 400 crew due to the constant butt sniping of the aggys. Same Yesterday 300crew and 8TIMES rudder on RED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vazco Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, admin said: but then defenders won't be able to come in. Maybe we should lower number of ships in missions and limit the entry by ship type Maybe allow for players to join until timer runs out, and then fill in missing places by bots, to match attackers? This way if there are 25 defenders, they can also fight. Fighting 25 players with 20 players and 5 bots will always mean a defeat for you anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, rahzor said: As seen in Eve it also could be interisting to Tax the money out of the mission from the Port triggered, same as killing ships in the region. 10 percent tax turns fir from 31 to 36 its really nothing especially taking into account most shipbuilding prices dropped by 17%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vazco Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 ah, you mean missions... there's the same problem with PB's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRuyter Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Hodo said: The reduction in material weights was a very good change, but the lack of adjustments on the actual cargo ships or trader ships is not helping. A Trader Snow is still useless compared to a Trader Brig. And a Brig is useless compared to the LGV. An LGV is useless in the shallows, just sayn'. I agree on the Snow/brig issue IRL the size of the Ontario and Fair American was very similar which is not apparent in the game models. I was able to put quite a lot of materials on a T brig included logs so I am not sure cargo capacity adjustment is needed (Snow maybe). As for the Wasa issues a restriction to the original 24/18/6 pdr armament may well put her in line with the other 4th rates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quineloe Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 27 minutes ago, admin said: but then defenders won't be able to come in. Maybe we should lower number of ships in missions and limit the entry by ship type Defenders can't come in right now because we have no idea where the missions are. The first warning we get is hostility raised to 25% from the first battle. By the time we undock, they're already in the second battle. If we don't find them right away, they'll have flipped the port. As long as the missions aren't directly in front of the port, defense is nigh impossible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quineloe Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 It's not inflation if someone posts a stupid contract that won't ever get sold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vazco Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Well, my main issue is with PvP. Where do I go now to get PvP? Where can I find other people who are interested in PvP and don't get a reinforcement of 15 first rates once I attack them? Right now it's only PvE for me, even though servers have many players. Admin, maybe you could give me an advice here? Even talking with French, who also want to fight, didn't work. Noone wants to fight even fights, even when ships are cheap. There are no incentives for them to fight. 30 people just lost their time, with no real fight for 1.5h. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quineloe Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 You need to intercept hostility fleets for PVP. Or jump into their missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thonys Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 38 minutes ago, admin said: but then defenders won't be able to come in. Maybe we should lower number of ships in missions and limit the entry by ship type perhaps you can take a break for an half an hour the only thing happened the pb was bugged that's all and pls close this thread it s beginning to look od we at la orchilla were disappointed to , but we do it again someday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knobby Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 58 minutes ago, admin said: i guess hostility mission bots should be lowered. as we DO want 5 player clan to have a chance to take a port if they wish. today i solo'ed a 4th rate hostility mission in my teak/wo vic. sure, took me 80 minutes and cost like 1000 rum and 250 hull reps, but if i can do it solo, so can 3 ppl in tanky wasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bach Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Jef said: Reason people are around the capital area's is to find people to fight, and raid. Now with that gone, I have no incentive to go sailing for hours in the hopes of finding somebody... And vice versa I enjoyed hunting down raiders attacking KPR or Belize. And scare them off or fight (and often die ). I literally jumped in a privateer to hunt Dutch Traders, that is now off the books, as that entire region is basically protected now. I avoided anything below 'master and commander' lvl, even gave money to dutch starters and tips on how to avoid us 'raiders'. But where do I find these traders now, with that entire region on lock down... I also raided the French,Swedes I would sail up and down between Carriacou and Desirades and hunt traders sailing between bridgetown and Fort Royal, again this is now off the books as that region is also on lock down. So where do I hunt traders now... I could join some of my clan mates and do PVE missions now all around protected Jamaica and fight AI, but that's not why I joined a PVP server. Instead of hunting the traders at the consuming port (capital) now you have to hunt them at the producing port (Nuetral town). Using the trader tool can tell you most likely Nuetral/captured ports to hunt. You can also get a partner and hunt as a duo rather than solo. One player attracts the reinforcements while the other finishes the trader target before it gets to the reinforcements. As someone said, this will only deter the average hunters. Also, I think you can still jump into player missions and I don't think they get reinforcements inside them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vazco Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, Quineloe said: You need to intercept hostility fleets for PVP. Or jump into their missions. There's no option to. Once you group up and get to the area, port is already flipped. Also, all flips happen in the morning. In the evening, when I play, there's nothing to do, except for PvE, which is plain boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bach Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Jean Ribault said: You won't find them. 20% player tax, I quit the game. I'm sure many will follow. There is no reason to trade anymore. 10% coming, 10% going. Time for Civ VI. Taxing players is a huge mistake. Seriously??? It's easy to find trade good items that were and still yield 100% profit. I wouldn't even bother with runs that were less than 80% profit. 20% tax shouldn't be stopping anyone and if you know a good trader port you can always cap it and lower the tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quineloe Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Naval Action taxes your pixel wallet. Civ VI with its million of bugs, terrible AI and poorly balanced combat mechanics taxes your will to live. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ink Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mrgoldstein said: quick questtion, do ports near the capital in the safe zones,produce less coal for example than ports outside the safe areas? Coal is produced by players, same for any port Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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