OTMatt Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Thinking about it a bit, never mind the actual ship in real life, I'd say this ship should have a mean punch. 9-pounders in the side, optional carronades (18pds?). Surprises should be faster by a noticeable margin while being a less well maneuverable vessel. As for the planking, a certain resistance to 6-pouders should be there but above that enemy broadsides should become something a captain fears thus utilizing his maneuverability to the best. It should not be an easy ship to sail, but reward excellence in combat. At the same times, while this ship should handle well, the Snow/Brig should be able to out maneuver it but remain slower (difference to Brig less noticeable than difference to Snow). That's pretty much standard balancing imo. I support the addition of carronades, this ship looks like its at a level where a player begins to use a lot of tactics and skill to take on the enemy so flexibility might be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reki Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 moar brit ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Nice Keep those Frigtes coming. Coventry Class is what she is but you know that please introduce the ships as there class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Mouse Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 moar brit ships.Rather see more of other nations. We have yet to see a Dutch ship, or Danish or Swedish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Chis Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Are there any corvette class ships which could get close speeds to the heavy frigates (trincomalee,constitution) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yes, the Rattlesnake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Chis Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yes, the Rattlesnake. Do you have any good sources for this, wiki is kinda lacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Connor Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Not impossible, but top speed is down to hull form/hull length, and sloops or corvettes are too similar in hull form to a frigate to have much of a hope on 2/3rds the hull length. Light winds do favour light ships though, that would be the best chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Do you have any good sources for this, wiki is kinda lacking The wiki is a different ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Do you have any good sources for this, wiki is kinda lacking Everything I've been able to find has routinely talked about how fast the Rattlesnake was. One source said it was the fastest ship in the British fleet when they captured it. I'll have to try and find it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 for it's class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 Please provide thoughts on the speeds at various wind angles. based on surprise or trincomalee for example (Keep in mind that in NA we currently have relative speeds. We tune the speeds for feel not for exact units because in game engine units are not appropriately scaled usually and need tweaking). Once most ships are in and balanced we will provide modifiers that establish correct numbers for speed reflecting real life performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCL Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Looks perfect for filling that gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Chis Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Please provide thoughts on the speeds at various wind angles. based on surprise or trincomalee for example (Keep in mind that in NA we currently have relative speeds. We tune the speeds for feel not for exact units because in game engine units are not appropriately scaled usually and need tweaking). Once most ships are in and balanced we will provide modifiers that establish correct numbers for speed reflecting real life performance. I would say it would be little slower then the surprise based on its larger width and slightly shorter keel more maneuverable. Also is it possible to drift in this game? so if i am sailing with the wind coming in at an angle and i have a small keel (like the trincomalee) as i heel the velocity vector furthur strays from the length axis of the boat. So during strong winds my small keel ships velocity vector is actually slightly angled away from the ship causing more drag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Connor Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Please provide thoughts on the speeds at various wind angles. based on surprise or trincomalee for example (Keep in mind that in NA we currently have relative speeds. We tune the speeds for feel not for exact units because in game engine units are not appropriately scaled usually and need tweaking). Once most ships are in and balanced we will provide modifiers that establish correct numbers for speed reflecting real life performance. Trincomalee is best comparison, similar in hull form and rigging (Constitution and Surprise are quite unusual frigates). Top speed of course will be lower because this ship is smaller, if you take Trincomalee's speed at each wind angle and reduce them in proportion 8-10% this will be reasonably accurate. Surprise should be faster overall because of narrow hull and taller rigging, but perhaps will heel over more and lose a little speed the closer she gets to 90 degrees where Trincomalee and the new frigate will not suffer so much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ned Loe Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Beauty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marecek05 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 She is a looker. For some strange reason I am getting Hornblower vibes just from looking at her... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 well thats a nice suggestion to give her the ability for greater carronades. I like it. Maybe we can have a close range brawler wich is fast and nimble enough to get to her enemies without receiving too much damage in the process of closing in. On the upper decks id say give her the long 6lbs and some 18lb carronades. The game is currently very skimpy with carronades for some reason. Looking through a bunch of armaments on various ships in the period, it becomes apparent that replacing 9lb cannon with 32lb carronades was not unusual, and even smaller ships and sloops carried 32lb carronades. Maybe smaller carronades are are necessary for balance, but I'd think carronades would be self-balancing to a degree given their other charateristics. Maybe gunports required alternation for the larger carronades on smaller ships, which I suppose is a reasonable justification for limiting rearmament. Note: to put things in perspective, 12lb carronades could be mounted in the bows of ship's boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bis18marck70 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Beautiful new screens. Also answers my question on the cannons; 13 on one deck, instead of the previously seen 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Connor Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Lovely ship indeed. So this is not Cerberus per-se but rather a generic version with new headrails/stern gallery and slightly altered armament? Those headrails look very familiar btw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Is there any way we can see ship specs in numbers? Or something like they showed in potbs. With this info we can easily compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 According to Wikipedia, HMS Cerberus was pretty much the same size as Surprise (Unite). Slightly beamier, longer gundeck but shorter keel. I guess she will be a weaker ship in-game because of the lack of upper deck guns. In terms of handling characteristics, I'd say that Surprise should be the fastest square rigger close-hauled and on a beam reach, while Cerberus is faster downwind and not as good upwind. Turn rate slightly better than Surprise. Maybe a bit stiffer as well (less heel). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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