Anolytic Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Llewellyn Jones RN said: So which night flip have you not been able to defend I ask you not one that the BRITS have raised! Well not recently anyways. We have some very dedicated captains in our fleet, that are willing to stay up nights and to defend in hopes that their friends will not get too frustrated with the game and stop playing. Still we've lost Morgan's Bluff, Remidos, Islamorada, Gasparilla to night-flips recently, and we've defended even more than that. 3 hours ago, Llewellyn Jones RN said: Bollocks you defended every time! There was no boycott Cumana, Puerto de Espana. Les Cayes was boycotted few weeks ago, but some french clans + me decided to defy the decision and put up a suicide 22 player defence that kept turned away 25 attackers. 3 hours ago, Christendom said: Any yet all of the conquest gains in the Bahamas recently have been done at hours where the US is unable to defend itself adequately and we have to throw together pub/rag tag fleets just like you do at night. The Western Alliance has been perfectly able to defend with 25 every port in Bahamas. We've put the recent attacks in Bahamas as late as we could fit between other activities. I grinded Morgan's Bluff almost singlehandedly and the PB was set 1 mission earlier than I anticipated, but it is still after 17 server time. 3 hours ago, Christendom said: Sometimes you win ports, sometimes you don't. But save for the too early attack on Cumana we win or loose against a full 25 player defence, not against empty ports or enemies that are tired out of their minds. We fight hard for every port we gain. If you loose a valuable port or want to take one you just show up in the middle of the night with a 50/50 chance to take it undefended, which is all you can ever hope to do anyway. 3 hours ago, Christendom said: Last week on French TS the US & Brits were willing to stop night flips until the devs could find a better solution than splitting the server. Props to Keirrip for trying. Too little, too late. I came there with a fairly open mind, but it was clear that we could not find enough common ground. We warned you in November/Desember that US were shooting yourselves in the foot by your night-flips. You didn't want to listen or negotiate then or any of the subsequent approaches we made. Now that the writing is on the wall you suddenly want to negotiate and make us out to be the bad guys. Nice try... 3 hours ago, Christendom said: Other than the French, your side chose to not stop the griefing What griefing can you possibly accuse us of? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christendom Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 If we attack at night it's called griefing. If you attack us at 15:00 or 16:00 we're gonna call that griefing too. You can choose to attack later. We can't choose to attack earlier. Common ground was found by a couple of nations, but those intent on revenge chose not to. That's fine. Please don't mistake my willingness to negotiate as a sign of the US wanting to switch gears or that we were regretful of our actions. Please keep in mind that France called that meeting to negotiate, not the US. If calling off night flips is what we have to do to keep this server intact, then so be it. Some of us are not as short sighted or selfish enough to thing that splitting up an already small player base to a special safe space server where everything is tailored to one demographic of players is actually a good thing. I know I don't speak just for myself in saying that we're glad most of you are leaving. Unfortunately getting rid of a whiney self entitled portion of the player base will likely sign the death warrant of an otherwise fun game. When you do leave the US based players will make an attempt to balance things by switching to other nations to fill the gaps. We'll give it our best attempt. Should you decide to leave and then want to come back, you will not be welcome. And now let's please leave Jeheil's thread alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIerrick de Badas Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 tbh you make the first move to negociate and we make the second move to answer and make it works. It didn't works so well btw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nikodemus Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Hey Jaheil, Thanks again bud, I know i have not been around but I do keep up by watching your Video's. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llewellyn Jones RN Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Anolytic said: We have some very dedicated captains in our fleet, that are willing to stay up nights and to defend in hopes that their friends will not get too frustrated with the game and stop playing. Still we've lost Morgan's Bluff, Remidos, Islamorada, Gasparilla to night-flips recently, and we've defended even more than that. Cumana, Puerto de Espana. Les Cayes was boycotted few weeks ago, but some french clans + me decided to defy the decision and put up a suicide 22 player defence that kept turned away 25 attackers. i asked by the BRITS not the Americans Puerto de Espania was not night flipped yes it was late but the port battle started before 10pm my time so dont give me that crap its a night flip the Swedes had plenty of time to come counter us but failed and we all know it takes very little time to flip a port now if you do it right. yes several attempts at Les Cayes could have been stopped by you too if you were not sitting on your backside watching Russian porn the last three late flips i have been involved have been conducted by twelve players. I too want content and very often dont get it because this server is very EU centric even now. Alls it would have taken to defend any of those flips would have been 10-12 hardy players to come find us but you just want the i win option again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIerrick de Badas Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 14 minutes ago, Llewellyn Jones RN said: i asked by the BRITS not the Americans Puerto de Espania was not night flipped yes it was late but the port battle started before 10pm my time so dont give me that crap its a night flip the Swedes had plenty of time to come counter us but failed and we all know it takes very little time to flip a port now if you do it right. yes several attempts at Les Cayes could have been stopped by you too if you were not sitting on your backside watching Russian porn the last three late flips i have been involved have been conducted by twelve players. I too want content and very often dont get it because this server is very EU centric even now. Alls it would have taken to defend any of those flips would have been 10-12 hardy players to come find us but you just want the i win option again. Puerto de espana was lost because we boycot the pb. Seeing you didn't care on attacking empty port 'maybe it was your goal?) we decide to change IRl and stop going to work and putting child on school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Charles Hobart H Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 18 hours ago, PIerrick de Badas said: Puerto de espana was lost because we boycot the pb. Seeing you didn't care on attacking empty port 'maybe it was your goal?) we decide to change IRl and stop going to work and putting child on school as you have blacked off when US ports are not full? No you did not you just took the port and said a not full fleet was our problem, Cumana for example was defend by 10 players from a flip at 15:00 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Charles Hobart H Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 On 3/20/2017 at 6:30 AM, Anolytic said: Under the circumstances developers made the right decision. The alternative was that the Eastern alliance players would keep leaving the game because any gains and victories were nullified, or attempted to be nullified, but night-flips. Any strategic port we captured we could not expect to hold because of night-flips. Any regional bonuses we take or defend could be taken from us defenceless at any time unless 25 of us decided to sacrifice sleep on the same night. They are just pixels, but they are the pixels that allow us to build competitive ships. They are the pixels that give meaning to conquest. And they are the pixels that sustain already underpopulated and outmanned nations. The important thing now is that the devs move fast if they are going to split the servers, Players who want should be transferred over and PvP 1 and 2 should be merged. I am however 100% opposed to player accounts being copied rather then moved. People who wanted to play on both PvP 1 and 2 had to start over on the new one i wont be ok with EU players who want to leave getting to have all their stuff on both servers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloothommel Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 25 minutes ago, Augustus Charles Hobart H said: The important thing now is that the devs move fast if they are going to split the servers, Players who want should be transferred over and PvP 1 and 2 should be merged. I am however 100% opposed to player accounts being copied rather then moved. People who wanted to play on both PvP 1 and 2 had to start over on the new one i wont be ok with EU players who want to leave getting to have all their stuff on both servers. Copy server data (fast, cheap) vs copy and delete individual accounts (slow, lot of work, expensive). What do you think they will do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Charles Hobart H Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Kloothommel said: Copy server data (fast, cheap) vs copy and delete individual accounts (slow, lot of work, expensive). What do you think they will do? so lazy vs fair? And if people stay on both will i still hear complaints about attack times? Edited March 21, 2017 by Augustus Charles Hobart H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloothommel Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, Augustus Charles Hobart H said: so lazy vs fair? I forgot option 3: fresh clean server, no data only rank/crafter level for new char. (My preference) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Charles Hobart H Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Kloothommel said: I forgot option 3: fresh clean server, no data only rank/crafter level for new char. (My preference) ill take that for both servers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIerrick de Badas Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Augustus Charles Hobart H said: as you have blacked off when US ports are not full? No you did not you just took the port and said a not full fleet was our problem, Cumana for example was defend by 10 players from a flip at 15:00 Cumana was an answer to nightflip. As puerto de plata and more and it lead you after 3 PB to ask for negociations. Because you feel what we feeld on every nightflip. But we make it on 3 ports when you make it 3 semester. Now, i see you again moving on the evil side. The discusion should try to decrase anxiety and anger between our 2 community. Let people be able to play on both server. It may help both server to get the population on right time. If i got no job, i may play on UE primetime on ue server and then switch after that on global. Why should'nt i? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Charles Hobart H Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 36 minutes ago, PIerrick de Badas said: Cumana was an answer to nightflip. As puerto de plata and more and it lead you after 3 PB to ask for negociations. Because you feel what we feeld on every nightflip. But we make it on 3 ports when you make it 3 semester. Now, i see you again moving on the evil side. The discusion should try to decrase anxiety and anger between our 2 community. Let people be able to play on both server. It may help both server to get the population on right time. If i got no job, i may play on UE primetime on ue server and then switch after that on global. Why should'nt i? given the kind of messages i get just being in the diplo lobby of your TS i doubt we will be decreasing anxiety. Second why do you get to have your cake and eat it too? you wanted your own server but now you want to play on both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIerrick de Badas Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 We wanted a solution. Admin gives us duble server solution. We didn't forced admin to choose this or this solution. Maybe is it the best one but it's the only one "finished" on paper. We will speak about it further on ts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloothommel Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Augustus Charles Hobart H said: given the kind of messages i get just being in the diplo lobby of your TS i doubt we will be decreasing anxiety. Second why do you get to have your cake and eat it too? you wanted your own server but now you want to play on both? You do know the servers will probably be merged again at release, right? As the timezone stuff was an issue because of low user counts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Charles Hobart H Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, Kloothommel said: You do know the servers will probably be merged again at release, right? As the timezone stuff was an issue because of low user counts? if that's is the understanding, then its sounds like splitting is a silly solution to me. If the server split goes ahead anyway, then ill be happy to welcome you back "when" it gets to release. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christendom Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, PIerrick de Badas said: Cumana was an answer to nightflip. As puerto de plata and more and it lead you after 3 PB to ask for negociations. Because you feel what we feeld on every nightflip. But we make it on 3 ports when you make it 3 semester. Now, i see you again moving on the evil side. The discusion should try to decrase anxiety and anger between our 2 community. Let people be able to play on both server. It may help both server to get the population on right time. If i got no job, i may play on UE primetime on ue server and then switch after that on global. Why should'nt i? To my knowledge no one from our alliance approached you about negotiations after Cumana and Puerta Plata. I did however post on yet another night flip complaint thread of yours how to stop the problem of you so wish, which promoted last weeks talks I believe. While morning flips are annoying we over here wear big boy pants and realize that it is just part of the game. If you'll be playing on both servers there will be no need of us to balance the nations and I'll get to stay US and keep my BPs. Thanks! Edited March 21, 2017 by Christendom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeheil Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 The Wipe is coming and the Sea is blue and full of errors. A quick review of the piffling biffo this week and a "wipe" guide for those of you interested in this weeks Naval Action. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikodemus Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Need to log in and find out what everyone is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloothommel Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I'm guessing the next 2 episodes will be Post-Its to the king XD 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeheil Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 59 minutes ago, Kloothommel said: I'm guessing the next 2 episodes will be Post-Its to the king XD A Tweet to the King 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyRoger1516 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 On 21/03/2017 at 9:05 PM, PIerrick de Badas said: Now, i see you again moving on the evil side. The discusion should try to decrase anxiety and anger between our 2 community. Let people be able to play on both server. It may help both server to get the population on right time. If i got no job, i may play on UE primetime on ue server and then switch after that on global. Why should'nt i? Honestly please no. This isn't even personal it jsut causes trouble if it becoems that easy You chose a server then you gotta stick with it - this shouldn't be a jump around thing. Either you play on one big server and we all get to design that one together or we design two different servers but then each to their own. Why should you get to play on the global server and the EU server and then effectively also be allowed to make demands for the global server?! That's just silly - for many global palyers this new big server is considered the option to escape all these 'one sided and exclusive' demands (don't take it eprsonal but thats how many see it!!!) Allowing fluent server swaps only leads to scumbag groups on either server. Similar to DayZ people will jump on the other server to piss others off as any losses have little meaning to them. If I play on the global as a Brit but on EU as a Pirate that allows me to constantly attack anyone I want with no intention other then to ruin your fun - no RvR I care for, no ships I particularly care for (shop bought will do for this) and so on. You only open the door to scumbags. Same goes for RvR - you'd bugger up the politics system with secondary players voting randomly and out of the general consensus and you'd have a lot of incidents in the general RvR all the time - it just would be too easy to ruin that for everybody. When you choose your server you should stick to it or switch with a character loss on the old one. It's not like the EU server would be unplayable outside of the main times it only prevents RvR. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloothommel Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I'll be playing both servers. Should prove interesting. But I will focus on EU as my primary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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