Courtesy/sportsmanship after PB's

[Baron Von WeisenCracker]

Gentlemen --et al (Pirates too),

 

Can we show some HONOR/Sportmanship after PB's. This suggestion my fall on deaf ears... but here is hoping.

 

I have only recently become more involved in such grandiose endeavors (PB's) but find it very disturbing when an exiting force is GANKED by either the winners or losers of that PB (even by my own nation), or by their allies, while trying to head back to a port of origination, upon entering OW afterwards.

 

For all involved -- show some honor / respect / sportsmanship for your contemporary--- "Salute!" after a good fought battle (whether a loss or win) and let passage ensue to original points of embarkation. This habit of ganking the exiters is LOW class. Dishonorable. And only incites the opposing players to reciprocate likewise treatment in return.

 

PB's are long enough to endure, not to mention the travel time to get there, sometimes going the full 1.5hours. I prefer not to get into a one hour plus PB, just to be ganked by others upon my exit, from that same battle --especially if I had lost the battle in the first place. Adds insult to injury. All too often, the gankers tend to be folks who lost their ships in battle, and ran and got into another one, in order to lie in wait for the battle to end. NOBLE Nations should prohibit this form of aggression - after PB's.

 

If this cannot be attained... a longer post PB timer should be established. 20-30 minutes minimum.

 

PB's are the pinnacle of this games interaction between players. Its basically the main source of major PVP action in the game. Some PB's take hours to travel to. And upon completion -- a return trip back to those same ports. I simply ask to have some courtesy and allow those PLAYERS to return (even if by teleporting to their respective capitals)  - so that you can once again meet on the sea of battle. 

 

Here is what I have seen as for rewards in a PB.

 

NO enemy present: lower quality Loot + minor upgrade (Fine or less) + maybe a mid grade or low grade note

Enemy present: Higher quality Loot + major upgrade (Fine to Exceptional) + Mid-high grade notes

 

in short, you want your opponent to show up. That is If you are wanting those higher grade upgrades. But if people continue to gank the plausible ships -- well... enjoy the crap upgrades when no one shows up.

 

You may have the opinion that if you don't want this to happen to you -- don't do PB's... well, I have a life outside NA -- its called a family. I try to help my nation (as do you all, for the most part) .. but I don't want to get bogged into 4 straight hours of "cant leave my keyboard" action. Just ponder it.

 

Just sayin'.

 

if no HONOR code respected: I HIGHLY Suggest that FOR PB's only... an in-battle screen teleport to CAPITAL option should be available. And ONLY to capital.

Edited June 14, 2016 by yankyaeger

[HarryButpain]

well, they should allow you to park your ship inside the captured port.. I see no reason why that shouldn't be allowed..

 

Let's say you sail 1.5 hours to a port battle, fight for more than hour at least and then you're forced to sail 1.5h back? 

 

I don't think that's okay xD

[Cpt Blackthorne]

well, they should allow you to park your ship inside the captured port.. I see no reason why that shouldn't be allowed..

 

Let's say you sail 1.5 hours to a port battle, fight for more than hour at least and then you're forced to sail 1.5h back? 

 

I don't think that's okay xD

The long sail home happens for two reasons: one being you didn't win the PB attack, and therefore cannot enter the port; and two being you do not/cannot own an OP there for whatever reason.

 

As for Yank's proposal, this seems quite honorable to allow the dogged tired to freely leave the PB in peace. It is a sad thing to see gankers sitting outside in much larger ships making gank attempts afterward. I would honor this system; and to those we see refuse to honor it, we shall place bounties on their heads.

If you want to be a ganker, gank before the PB, preventing the enemy from having an overwhelming force, not after a very exhausting battle.

[Jean Ribault]

I am in complete agreement with the sentiment.

 

Rethink the example above though, because if you sailed 90 minutes and fought 90 minutes, you are in no case more than 1 hour away from being able to teleport with ship back to capital.  If you won and got booty you probably had to throw most of it overboard so probably no loss there anyway.  I think most people would be able to TP to capital after the battle, right?

[CaptVonGunn]

Gentlemen --et al (Pirates too),

 

Can we show some HONOR/Sportmanship after PB's. This suggestion my fall on deaf ears... but here is hoping.

 

I have only recently become more involved in such grandiose endeavors (PB's) but find it very disturbing when an exiting force is GANKED by either the winners or losers of that PB (even by my own nation), or by their allies, while trying to head back to a port of origination, upon entering OW afterwards.

 

For all involved -- show some honor / respect / sportsmanship for your contemporary--- "Salute!" after a good fought battle (whether a loss or win) and let passage ensue to original points of embarkation. This habit of ganking the exiters is LOW class. Dishonorable. And only incites the opposing players to reciprocate likewise treatment in return.

 

PB's are long enough to endure, not to mention the travel time to get there, sometimes going the full 1.5hours. I prefer not to get into a one hour plus PB, just to be ganked by others upon my exit, from that same battle --especially if I had lost the battle in the first place. Adds insult to injury. All too often, the gankers tend to be folks who lost their ships in battle, and ran and got into another one, in order to lie in wait for the battle to end. NOBLE Nations should prohibit this form of aggression - after PB's.

 

If this cannot be attained... a longer post PB timer should be established. 20-30 minutes minimum.

 

PB's are the pinnacle of this games interaction between players. Its basically the main source of major PVP action in the game. Some PB's take hours to travel to. And upon completion -- a return trip back to those same ports. I simply ask to have some courtesy and allow those PLAYERS to return (even if by teleporting to their respective capitals)  - so that you can once again meet on the sea of battle. 

 

Here is what I have seen as for rewards in a PB.

 

NO enemy present: lower quality Loot + minor upgrade (Fine or less) + maybe a mid grade or low grade note

Enemy present: Higher quality Loot + major upgrade (Fine to Exceptional) + Mid-high grade notes

 

in short, you want your opponent to show up. That is If you are wanting those higher grade upgrades. But if people continue to gank the plausible ships -- well... enjoy the crap upgrades when no one shows up.

 

You may have the opinion that if you don't want this to happen to you -- don't do PB's... well, I have a life outside NA -- its called a family. I try to help my nation (as do you all, for the most part) .. but I don't want to get bogged into 4 straight hours of "cant leave my keyboard" action. Just ponder it.

 

Just sayin'.

 

Why should what the attacker gets be effected by the lack of teh defenders doing there job

[Skully]

June 13th, The fall of Truxillo

 

History

 

Truxillo used to be the main staging port for AUSEZ. After AUSEZ went to Pirate, Truxillo fell soon without a battle. http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/14165-the-betrayal-of-the-ausez-to-the-british-empire/?p=264990

 

Preliminaries

 

 

In the early hour movement is reported around Black River, which at the time is held by the British. We send out a scout to stalk the place. He reports 2nd rates are moving around Black River, so we conclude an attack on Truxillo is imminent.

 

Truxillo has no value for us anymore, except for the large empty warehouses representing our final investments. So only a couple of us still had outposts in the place. For old times sake we said, lets defend it.

 

It gave us a logistical challenge though as our main fleet was split up between Bonacca and Truxillo. On hindsight (which is the best foresight), we could have TP-ed the entire main fleet in. But alas we did not consider the option and it would turn out to be another jinx which made Truxillo fall.

 

Given the reports that came in it would also be either a close battle or a suicide mission. Nevertheless we decided to sail the best we could bring out individually, so our final composition was 4 1sts, 5 2nds and a 3rd.

 

To buy us some extra time 2 interceptor squads were send out, 1 from Truxillo, 1 from Bonacca. Their main mission, intercept the flag and potentially disrupt enemy movement. The interceptor from Truxillo ran into their main fleet holding station between Truxillo and Bonacca and I myself got stuck into a battle with 2 Pavels. As the flag carrier got tagged, it turned out that this 1 ship difference did not bring enough BR difference for us to hold the flag in ensuing battle.

 

Since half of our main was in Bonacca, we could not undock unless the waters were clear. Thus we waited for the conquest to begin.

 

The conquest of Truxillo was on with ~20 British ships out of which I think 4 Pavels, followed by Constitutions, a couple of Ingermanlands, some Frigates and a Renommee.

 

As out main fleet regrouped at the PB site, time ticked away. One of us got jinxed by a crashing computer. We held position by our main rule, never leave anybody alone.

 

We entered port battle and saw the last British ships exit port battle. The conquest was over.

 

Truxillo once again, had falling without a fight.

 

Aftermath

 

 

A decision had to be made. While everybody had planned on spending time in a (port) battle, we had real life obligations as well. So how would we ensure all ships would be back safely before downtime?

Staying in Truxillo simply wasn't an option anymore.

 

Only one option really remained, we sail together now to Bonacca!

 

As we sailed out of Truxillo bay, the British started to undock. While we moved slowly sailed north-east, one-by-one British Constitutions and Frigates appeared on the horizon behind us.

 

We approached the straight of Ruatan with some British ships pulling up on our starboard side and we got jinxed again with a crashing computer. As always, we don't leave anybody, "Sails down!".

At this point everybody who was not part of the main fleet, undocked from Bonacca to come down for escort.

 

Unexpectedly the British fleet made a hard starboard turn away from us. They had no desire to engage us at all, while some of us were starting to get itchy for a battle.

 

Effectively we were blocking the straight. The British made a choice send a part of their fleet around the east side. Hence we turned up at Bonacca before they did and started to blockade it. One-by-one our numbers dropped as people ran out of time.

 

A lone British Pavel was spotted, potentially teleporting away. Since we had not had any fight yet, we charged in, without real thought. Our escorts had docked up and were gone. Without any tackler present, we sailed into the blue for 15 or so minutes looking at the British Pavel racing to Santanillas.

 

It was at that point, we said to ourselves to TP back to capital and call it a day.

 

So at the end, this was probably the worst possible outcome, no real battle had taken place. But we simply made due with the cards being dealt and a good story came out of it.

[JakMorris]

So you think that by doing a PB you should get a free ride home? 

 

The best part about this game is ganking people on their way there or back from a PB and its got nothing to do with sportsmanship. Its about doing as much damage as you can, especially if your fleet is smaller than the enemies fleet. Picking them off as they arrive or leave is a great leveling tactic.

 

No free rides allowed.  

 

+1 for Skully's battle report, great read. 

Edited June 14, 2016 by JakMorris

[GrapeShot]

The fight after the PB is often times the only chance for the screening force to get any real combat. The way it is they are boned by the distribution of loot from a PB, now you want them to pass up a chance to get some money, experience and/or captured ships from the fight afterwards?

Edited June 14, 2016 by GrapeShot

[Baron Von WeisenCracker]

Try it again without all of the insults and ranting please.  Thank you!  - H. Darby

Edited June 14, 2016 by Henry d'Esterre Darby
Excessive insults and rant.

[Bommel]

If you don´t want to fight after PB then use the option to log out in Battle result screen...

It is not up to you to decide how other players should play.

I never heard of a single player, who got pissed off or said he is gonna leave the game because he got intercepted when he left the PB.

 

Oh and there is only room for 25 player in the PB and if the rest of players sacrifice themselves as valuable screeners (no PB loot for them!!) they are more then free to get their fight afterwards.

 

PS: I´m not a pirate and I have no idea why you come up with insults against them, when this issue has nothing to do with the "nationality".

[Vernon Merrill]

Yanky, for someone who wants fellow captains to be "respectful", you sure do throw out a boat-load of name-calling.   While I can sympathize with your sentiment, I dont believe you're going to find a big group who will agree with you.  Dont let it get you all worked up, man.  Pixel ships on a pixel ocean.

[Baron Von WeisenCracker]

Yanky, for someone who wants fellow captains to be "respectful", you sure do throw out a boat-load of name-calling.   While I can sympathize with your sentiment, I dont believe you're going to find a big group who will agree with you.  Dont let it get you all worked up, man.  Pixel ships on a pixel ocean.

hey I call em like I see em .... at least I aint using profanity! so it is likely jesting you ... again ... it was a suggestion. Besides some ill-mannered wuss initiated the "cant handle it, quit crap -- first".

 

Not worked up at all ... at the present exodus rate you gankers will have to result to ganking yourselves in about a month! Enjoy! 

Edited June 14, 2016 by yankyaeger

[Baron Von WeisenCracker]

 

Say again   ?

 

I give no mercy and expect none - its war (pixel but still).

I know you REALLY like that pic Otto .. but your ships are OP.. and most of those players were newer. Like elephants at a sheep ranch! So your boasting pic is actually a clear indication of the issue! yes, you were outnumbered.... but you 3 guys are prepped to the tilt for boarding and ganking. Try again!

 

yeah -- 3 X Curses (totally freaking OP Curses)  vs a bunch of port and flag captains..(except Merrill, I think..unless it was a different Merrill) yeah-- that was fair ... NOT!

Edited June 14, 2016 by yankyaeger

[Vernon Merrill]

hey I call em like I see em .... at least I aint using profanity! so it is likely jesting you ... again ... it was a suggestion. Besides some ill-mannered wuss initiated the "cant handle it, quit crap -- first".

 

Not worked up at all ... at the present exodus rate you gankers will have to result to ganking yourselves in about a month! Enjoy! 

 

 

2 things here, sport.  First I'm not even on that server.  And two, you shouldnt assume that everyone who disagrees with you is a "ganker"... 

[Baron Von WeisenCracker]

If you don´t want to fight after PB then use the option to log out in Battle result screen...

It is not up to you to decide how other players should play.

I never heard of a single player, who got pissed off or said he is gonna leave the game because he got intercepted when he left the PB.

 

Oh and there is only room for 25 player in the PB and if the rest of players sacrifice themselves as valuable screeners (no PB loot for them!!) they are more then free to get their fight afterwards.

 

PS: I´m not a pirate and I have no idea why you come up with insults against them, when this issue has nothing to do with the "nationality".

hmmm, bommel ... maybe because I am dealing with Pirates mostly? Maybe because a lot of pirate activity is after a PB, not during? Maybe because this was clear illustration of what one "nation-less faction" does, but yet can affect all nations as a result? And good for you, that you have not seen or heard anyone leave due to that activity. Unfortunately .. that's not the case for me.

 

and yeah -- there is room for 25 players in PB... which is why is sucks flying monkey crap when you are in there and you have all of 10 guys on the other side, and go to leave and there are 20 outside! that... dear dear BOMMEL ... is BS! I just tire of the "I cant handle getting in a PB, so I will just take advantage of the damaged ships when they exit" wusses,

[Baron Von WeisenCracker]

2 things here, sport.  First I'm not even on that server.  And two, you shouldnt assume that everyone who disagrees with you is a "ganker"... 

dear sir... I do NOT assume anything. So please readjust your tighty-whiteys. Disagree all you want. Really don't care. Appreciate your opinion - even feedback. But he who starts it... well, I will stand in the same kitchen. Don't like it ... I am sure the powder room is available.

 

That said... I do not believe your name was ever directly mentioned. So if you are taking this personal .. well .. then it must hit home.

 

OP: simply give right of passage to safe port or allow PB attendees (of both participants) option to teleport to capital from battle screen.  --- Just so the topic is still in play here. NOT personal vendettas.

[Bommel]

and yeah -- there is room for 25 players in PB... which is why is sucks flying monkey crap when you are in there and you have all of 10 guys on the other side, and go to leave and there are 20 outside! that... dear dear BOMMEL ... is BS! I just tire of the "I cant handle getting in a PB, so I will just take advantage of the damaged ships when they exit" wusses,

You exit in a damaged ship that´s true but you can repair while being invulnerable.

And I really dont get that bold part, why do you assume they can´t handle to get in the PB? Are you talking about a specific battle or in general?

[Baron Von WeisenCracker]

You exit in a damaged ship that´s true but you can repair while being invulnerable.

And I really dont get that bold part, why do you assume they can´t handle to get in the PB? Are you talking about a specific battle or in general?

Bommel ... from what I have noticed.. granted I have only been on this server for about 5 weeks now.. but here is what I have observed.

 

Again, I deal mostly with pirates and to a lesser degree Brits. But what transpires, is that a few blokes enter the PB. But more players wait on the outside, than enter the battle. Then jump the exiters as they appear. Yeah pray tell you do not hit repair, at the same time you are trying to assess wind direction /escape route, sails..and anything else. Especially if you need to use more than 1 repair kit!

 

Example:  I entered a PB (Ragged cay) with ~6 other fellows, and only 4-5 opponents came in. IT was a shallow water battle. We just could not take the towers and the enemy ships BR down. So we made the decision to call it. So salvage what you can, right? The Pirates had the port. We lost 2 boats in the process... so those 2 ejected most likely to Pitts town. The rest of us.. began exiting battle ..( which was barely even 30 minutes long. there was just no way to take the towers and the enemy ships.) .. yeah except when 3 of us exited, there sat 10 more pirates, including 1 in a Cerberus, a frigate and a connie.. what freaking BS. The last 2 guys actually waited until the others got pulled into battle then dropped out and made it back north. Those first 3? ... well, not so lucky. Add to this, that the battle was basically called after about 30 minutes. Which meant that the pirates could have joined the battle. Instead, they waited outside purposefully to gank the exiters. Happens routinely at Barracoa, Saint Nicholas ..et al.

 

That is one example. Albeit, I have only been in about 35-40 PB's thus far. I don't have 3rd, 2nd or 1st rates. The post PB crap is pretty much typical now. It's like why bother PB'ing. if you want HUGE freaking fleet battles just announce you are going to do a PB and sit out and wait for the gankers (aka screening forces) to show up. No need to actually go inside the PB .. most of the opponents will be outside AFTERWARDS anyhow.

[Snoopy]

If you take the RvR bit seriously you kinda have to 'crush' the losing force if you get the chance, especially if the ships are valuable.

 

The whole point of RvR is to 'simulate' a war, including attrition.

If you get into fair fights you made a mistake - unless forced by game mechanics (25v25).

[Ser_Slack]

Bommel ... from what I have noticed.. granted I have only been on this server for about 5 weeks now.. but here is what I have observed.

 

Again, I deal mostly with pirates and to a lesser degree Brits. But what transpires, is that a few blokes enter the PB. But more players wait on the outside, than enter the battle. Then jump the exiters as they appear. Yeah pray tell you do not hit repair, at the same time you are trying to assess wind direction /escape route, sails..and anything else. Especially if you need to use more than 1 repair kit!

 

Example:  I entered a PB (Ragged cay) with ~6 other fellows, and only 4-5 opponents came in. IT was a shallow water battle. We just could not take the towers and the enemy ships BR down. So we made the decision to call it. So salvage what you can, right? The Pirates had the port. We lost 2 boats in the process... so those 2 ejected most likely to Pitts town. The rest of us.. began exiting battle ..( which was barely even 30 minutes long. there was just no way to take the towers and the enemy ships.) .. yeah except when 3 of us exited, there sat 10 more pirates, including 1 in a Cerberus, a frigate and a connie.. what freaking BS. The last 2 guys actually waited until the others got pulled into battle then dropped out and made it back north. Those first 3? ... well, not so lucky. Add to this, that the battle was basically called after about 30 minutes. Which meant that the pirates could have joined the battle. Instead, they waited outside purposefully to gank the exiters. Happens routinely at Barracoa, Saint Nicholas ..et al.

 

That is one example. Albeit, I have only been in about 35-40 PB's thus far. I don't have 3rd, 2nd or 1st rates. The post PB crap is pretty much typical now. It's like why bother PB'ing. if you want HUGE freaking fleet battles just announce you are going to do a PB and sit out and wait for the gankers (aka screening forces) to show up. No need to actually go inside the PB .. most of the opponents will be outside AFTERWARDS anyhow.

I was at that ragged cay fight. Your exaggerating heavily about the 10 waiting for you.

[CaptVonGunn]

hey I call em like I see em .... at least I aint using profanity! so it is likely jesting you ... again ... it was a suggestion. Besides some ill-mannered wuss initiated the "cant handle it, quit crap -- first".

 

Not worked up at all ... at the present exodus rate you gankers will have to result to ganking yourselves in about a month! Enjoy! 

As do we.. a clueless national... Pirates attack ports all the time when we can get numbers.. hell we have been attacking the last 4-5 nights even when we didn't have enough just for a fight... But we dont cry to the devs and in Global when we lose... We just sail off and play again...   

 

  As for gankers.. you need to swing by MT some time.. a lot more Nationals trying to gank pirates then Pirates spread out in groups of 2-5 trying to gank Nationals..

[Vernon Merrill]

Can we get over this "ganking" bullshit? Sailing in squadrons is the NORM, not "ganking". If you can see your enemy before he attacks you, you have not been "ganked"...

[Jeheil]

I understand where the OP comes from...but...I have probably had some of my best OW PvP outside a PB, before (screening) or after.

 

Last night a medium sized fleet of Brit shallows liberated Croata from the hands of the thieving pirates..as we exited with our eyes on bringing God, Gin and the rule of HRH law to another port we were met by a mixed 4th and 5th rate fleet of pesky pirates at the mouth of Croata. Croata has one of the best 'port' entries with a long enclosed shallow water neck.

 

We tried to pull in the frigates, renno's and ingie to different battles to get our flag through to no avail.

 

Now this was VERY ANNOYING for us...but really this is totally valid way of defending for the opposition. If you cannot engage in the PB then engage before/after.

 

And although my small fleet of Mercuries and a mortar brig got somewhat biffed up by the all but impervious Ingie, frigate and reno....we had an absolute hoot in the battle, the banter was appropriate between foes...and it was alot more fun than the uncontested Port with its towers of Adomantium and our nerf cannons.

 

So yes its annoying...more so when Mrs J is giving it 40 decibel sighs from the lounge as I retort with "10 more minutes darling"....but it was the best fun PvP of the 'session for me'.

 

One good idea might be to allow Port Loot to be sent to Clan Warehouse (by exception...coz ure obviously not at location). This would be a great way to reap rewards from VERY expensive flags...and allow those with an even more grumpy partner than I to get home

Edited June 15, 2016 by Jeheil

[Skully]

Welcome AUS to all out war on PvP1. No mercy!

 

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/14676-pvp1-june-the-british-honduras-campaign-pirate-perspective/?p=272186

[mouse of war]

As do we.. a clueless national... Pirates attack ports all the time when we can get numbers.. hell we have been attacking the last 4-5 nights even when we didn't have enough just for a fight... But we dont cry to the devs and in Global when we lose... We just sail off and play again...   

 

  As for gankers.. you need to swing by MT some time.. a lot more Nationals trying to gank pirates then Pirates spread out in groups of 2-5 trying to gank Nationals..

 

Seems like 'clueless' pirates and 'clueless' nationals complain about ganking equally then.

But concentration of forces is about the oldest principal of war. So complaining that the other side ganks more than you is actually just acknowledging that your enemies are better at assembling forces