TiagoStein Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 5 hours ago, Dave P. said: I stumbled across Drachinifel's video on battle line tactics, and surprised to learn that ships in a line typically engaged each other individually so that no enemy ship was left without something to worry about. I've noticed that the AI here doesn't do that - at the very least, opposing AI divisions will focus-fire on a single target, even when they're outnumbered. (That's how I've been playing strategy games since forever, so I assume it's more effective?) Is there any intention to make the AI's tactics more "correct" and/or balancing the game in a way that incentivizes more historically accurate tactics? Or do we just know better now? I've also noticed that if a ship starts to sink in the middle of a large salvo, the remaining turrets will immediately switch to a different (closest) target (there's no delay for them to rotate or reacquire range/aim) and they _seem_ to be firing without an accuracy penalty at the new target. I've even gotten a couple double-kills this way. (Destroyers are... not suitable for tanking 18" HE shells.) I'm assuming this is unintended? That is something that is counter intuitive for us nowadays because of video game. We start to believe in the myth of the focus fire. it exists because in video game there is a HP pool and the enemy unit is effective until it is dead. Real world warfare does not work like that. When a platoon of tanks engage another platoon they do NOT focus fire, because a single penetration is a mission kill. To focus fire is dumb Ships are in the middle ground, you need more shots to disable them but to keep all ships udner heavy fire also reduce their effectiveness while it keeps the exact same chance that one projectile on the current fleet salvo will penetrate a target. For a game to be super realistic on that we would need a system more based on the operation of each mechanism on the ship being intact or not (as if the crew on that position if alive or not) and not much of a structure health bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtjohn1 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Now the Italians are getting Germany's VP (1940 German Campaign) Also noticed that when I refitted my ships what's in the ship component window in battle is not what the ships fitted with (And at least Radar isn't working even though the ships are equipped in Drydock) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littorio Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 (edited) On 3/19/2022 at 2:07 PM, Dave P. said: So... I hit this enemy battleship with two hits early on at long range, before it popped back out of visibility. When I get closer and see it again, it's flooding... and flooding... and flooding. Never received any more hits, but it sank. It looks like I somehow killed its entire crew? Or does the AI making a 23k ton Battleship in 1920 randomly leave out watertight bulkheads? Dunno if it's a bug, but it seems a bit odd... 21 hours ago, Andvarus said: this is called 'Few Bulkheads', a ship with few Bulkheads that has been breached is going to sink with 90% now thanks to the new flooding Mechanics. TBH, I love it I believe that the issue here is first, as was stated, that they are using minimal bulkheads, but more importantly, the AI seems to almost never reduce speed after a flooding hit. It's like they stay at flank speed trying to keep formation, but they are just pushing water into the hull and going full speed ahead (as much as the drag from ever-increasing flooding allows) until they sink. I've sunk CA's in this build with a single 4 in hit, just one. If I take flooding hits, I always try to manually reduce speed to facilitate pumping and closing the hull breaches. Edited March 21, 2022 by Littorio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neph Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 7 hours ago, Fangoriously said: Also In real life, If ships all focus fire 1 ship, they wouldn't get any feedback on how accurate their own gunnery was umong all the splashes. In game, there should be terrible accuracy penalties if ships are simultaneously sending salvos at the same target. Also, there should be accuracy/reload/etc debuffs if you're getting shot at. Interestingly enough, the crew system we've got would play nicely into that: all the benefits trained crew provide are decreased when you're under fire. Probably less so the more trained the crew is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neph Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Littorio said: If It take flooding hits, I always try to manually reduce speed to facilitate pumping and closing the hull breaches. Wait, that's modeled in the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littorio Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 5 hours ago, neph said: Wait, that's modeled in the game? Pretty sure, go flank speed while flooding and see how much harder it is to patch than if you go all stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BELEW848 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 so i was told that aircraft carriers r on the way to the game will we make them like we do other ships? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slightlytreasonous Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, BELEW848 said: so i was told that aircraft carriers r on the way to the game will we make them like we do other ships? By who? CVs are not coming. They might one day, but they aren't. Subs are, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BELEW848 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, slightlytreasonous said: By who? CVs are not coming. They might one day, but they aren't. Subs are, though. Stealth17 Gaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o Barão Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 47 minutes ago, BELEW848 said: Stealth17 Gaming Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BELEW848 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 34 minutes ago, o Barão said: Source? in one of his videos when the patch we r in was in beta on steam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o Barão Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, BELEW848 said: in one of his videos when the patch we r in was in beta on steam @Stealth17sorry for bothering you. But there seems to be a little confusion here. Maybe you want to clarify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth17 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 8 hours ago, o Barão said: @Stealth17sorry for bothering you. But there seems to be a little confusion here. Maybe you want to clarify I wasn't serious about submarines being added. I think this person saw my Battleship Submarine video and thought they're adding submarines. What I did was edit a save file and reduce the draught by 90%. Last I know about submarines is that they're going to be a strategic asset on the world map, not a playable unit. That's based on my interview with the devs from way back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o Barão Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Stealth17 said: I wasn't serious about submarines being added. I think this person saw my Battleship Submarine video and thought they're adding submarines. What I did was edit a save file and reduce the draught by 90%. Last I know about submarines is that they're going to be a strategic asset on the world map, not a playable unit. That's based on my interview with the devs from way back. The issue is about the carriers info. "so i was told that aircraft carriers r on the way to the game will we make them like we do other ships? " And when asking where did he/she got that information. "in one of his videos when the patch we r in was in beta on steam " (Stealth17 Gaming ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanhal Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Hope not, i bought this game precisely because there were no subs and no carriers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urst Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Submarines are already in the Tech Tree, so they will be in. Not sure if they'll actually be playable, but they'll be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeksis Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) Subs are already here, has anyone noticed “x transports lost” messages? how do you think they got sunk! It’s very much an unfinished feature though. Edited March 21, 2022 by Skeksis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth17 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 5 hours ago, o Barão said: The issue is about the carriers info. "so i was told that aircraft carriers r on the way to the game will we make them like we do other ships? " And when asking where did he/she got that information. "in one of his videos when the patch we r in was in beta on steam " (Stealth17 Gaming ) I never said they're adding carriers, at least not as playable units. I still really hope they won't. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayknight Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Vanhal said: Hope not, i bought this game precisely because there were no subs and no carriers. Subs were on the plan (on their home page) from the start. As far as i know they however will be just a strategic asset not a tactical one. So they will be very expensive way to deal enemy attrition and a reason for destroyers to be made with possibility of countering them (depth chages) and soo on BTW any news on new patch or was VP bug fixed? I will be honest given what is heapening I compleatly lost touch with the game and development updates, would be glad for news on it. Edited March 21, 2022 by Grayknight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littorio Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 19 hours ago, Grayknight said: Subs were on the plan (on their home page) from the start. As far as i know they however will be just a strategic asset not a tactical one. So they will be very expensive way to deal enemy attrition and a reason for destroyers to be made with possibility of countering them (depth chages) and soo on BTW any news on new patch or was VP bug fixed? I will be honest given what is heapening I compleatly lost touch with the game and development updates, would be glad for news on it. No new news yet, we wait patiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kineuhansen Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 i dont want this game to turn into a build world of warship but if they add carriers i just hope they do it the same way as submarines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urst Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, kineuhansen said: i dont want this game to turn into a build world of warship but if they add carriers i just hope they do it the same way as submarines You can't fight WW2 without contending with aircraft. They're going to be there. The only way to avoid them is to stop the game at 1920. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kineuhansen Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 i would love planes in uad the biggest threat to battleships was torpedo planes just look at pearl harbor taranto dont know if they will ever do planes in 1940 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urst Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, kineuhansen said: i would love planes in uad the biggest threat to battleships was torpedo planes just look at pearl harbor taranto dont know if they will ever do planes in 1940 Pearl Harbor isn't exactly indicative of what's dangerous to a battleship, considering that all of them were docked and without most of their crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norbert Sattler Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Right now Submarines are NOT (yet) in. There is a reason why all the submarine (and ASW) technologies are marked out as WIP and not yet working. At the moment the transports are sunk by surface-ship power projection. Though that being said, if I understood past messages correctly, we will not be designing and commanding our custom subs like we do with surface ships, but it will be a background mechanic where we just juggle some numbers, so to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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