Hethwill Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I hereby suggest the following: - that the 80BR limit that separates the shallow PB from the deep water PB to be raised to 160BR - that the most powerful ship able to enter shallow PB to be 160BR and all others to be addressed accordingly, mainly Heavy Rattlesnake and Prince, not to share the exact same BR as the Xebec. Traders to be accommodated under their warlike counterparts. - that the deep water ships increase in BR equivalent to 1/3 of their present value. So a 200 BR ship becomes a 266BR ship. And so on, such as a 600BR ships becomes 798BR. - that no port PB BR to be touched. Any suggestions for the BRs up to 160 value more than welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z4ys Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, z4ys said: imagine shallow ships would have the BR range of 0-200 All other ships get their BR lifted accordingly and deep water BRs as well so they stay the same. Xebec could be 200BR Hrattle could be 180BR Prince could be 140BR Privateer could be 90BR etc keep shallow portbattle BR limits and suddenly they would make fun again. (in the sense of to not exclude non dlc owners) 200 or 160 ok lets not talk about that. But in my opinion deepwater portbattle BR should be changed accordingly because its working whats not working is shallow pbs because of the small br range 0-80 Edited August 22, 2018 by z4ys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbler (Retired) Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) Just out of curiousity what BR would be needed to make a ship able to tag a 1st on it's own? I think perhaps this is also a factor why people are so happy to have their 6th BR increased. 😂 I don't mind either way, but thought should point this out. Edited August 22, 2018 by Dibbler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Crusty Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) What to set the BR rating of a ship should only have one consideration. The power of the ship. The ability to enter a port battle should have only one consideration. Is the ship a shallow water ship or deep water ship? That is it. If a third rate ship is a horrible piece of junk, it might have a BR of 250. If a Le Requin has 350 crew, it might have a BR of 225. All that should matter to BR and PvP rewards is the power of the ship. Edited August 22, 2018 by Old Crusty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 A shallow draft ship can navigate the deep waters... 😎 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovec1990 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Just now, Hethwill the Harmless said: A shallow draft ship can navigate the deep waters... 😎 We need storms andf watch Requin players rage they were capsized and sank by a storm😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qw569😳 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) Fun facts There are 76 unique values of port BR There are 50 unique values of deep and 26 of shallow port BR. Unique values of port BR Deep Shallow 2520 1050 2550 1060 2570 1070 2600 1080 2620 1090 2640 1100 2670 1110 2690 1120 2720 1130 2740 1140 2760 1150 5040 2120 5090 2140 5140 2160 5190 2180 5240 2220 5280 2240 5330 2260 5380 2280 5430 2300 5480 2630 5520 2730 7560 2750 7640 2780 7710 2830 7780 2850 7850 7920 8000 8070 8140 8210 8280 10080 10180 10280 10370 10470 10560 10660 10760 10850 10950 11040 11550 11770 12100 12320 12430 12650 Edited August 22, 2018 by qw569 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 Just now, Lovec1990 said: We need storms andf watch Requin players rage they were capsized and sank by a storm😁 You mean all ships, right ?... seriously... stop making the xebec rig something she isn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovec1990 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Hethwill the Harmless said: You mean all ships, right ?... seriously... stop making the xebec rig something she isn't. Yes all ship can be sank but requin is more open and small so storm will wreck him faster it will be smart for small ship too not cross open sea where storms will be common Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Lovec1990 said: Yes all ship can be sank but requin is more open and small so storm will wreck him faster it will be smart for small ship too not cross open sea where storms will be common Wonder how they crossed the north atlantic and raided iceland, how they nailed and held a fortress for 5 years in british waters, how they even went north sea... Right'oh... Stick to the BR, please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernon Merrill Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 A Santa Cecilia would never EVER be sunk by a storm, though... Its magic, but average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrago Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Hethwill the Harmless said: I hereby suggest the following: - that the 80BR limit that separates the shallow PB from the deep water PB to be raised to 160BR - that the most powerful ship able to enter shallow PB to be 160BR and all others to be addressed accordingly, mainly Heavy Rattlesnake and Prince, not to share the exact same BR as the Xebec. Traders to be accommodated under their warlike counterparts. - that the deep water ships increase in BR equivalent to 1/3 of their present value. So a 200 BR ship becomes a 266BR ship. And so on, such as a 600BR ships becomes 798BR. - that no port PB BR to be touched. Any suggestions for the BRs up to 160 value more than welcome. This might work. Another possible solution would be that in order to capture a circle in a PB, you must have 2x the BR in that circle than your enemy. A lone anything could do it but a medium sized frigate would take the circle from the enemy. It would force more combat in PB perhaps... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibbler (Retired) Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) .... Edited August 22, 2018 by Dibbler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 Sure. Make a suggestion about it. About BR, not map layout and conquest objectives. Thank you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z4ys Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 9 hours ago, Farrago said: This might work. Another possible solution would be that in order to capture a circle in a PB, you must have 2x the BR in that circle than your enemy. A lone anything could do it but a medium sized frigate would take the circle from the enemy. It would force more combat in PB perhaps... With people asking to increase xebec br wouldn't that be counterproductive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskiwit Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Make on main circle ratio*2 as the two other circle look a way to make lineship battle more important as shallow battle in deep water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Texas Sir Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I don’t see an issue with BR for shallows other than two ships. We all know what two ships. They should be around 140-160 BR and both 5th rates left out of shallow waters but still able to enter deep waters to take light frigate rolls in PB. Keeping the 80 BR for the Mortar Brig game that can play in both or if some one wants to bring in a light ship to deep they can. Devs already screwed up BR just about every time they touch it so let’s. It make it more compkicat e than the current system that works. 16 hours ago, qw569 said: Fun facts There are 76 unique values of port BR There are 50 unique values of deep and 26 of shallow port BR. Unique values of port BR Hide contents Deep Shallow 2520 1050 2550 1060 2570 1070 2600 1080 2620 1090 2640 1100 2670 1110 2690 1120 2720 1130 2740 1140 2760 1150 5040 2120 5090 2140 5140 2160 5190 2180 5240 2220 5280 2240 5330 2260 5380 2280 5430 2300 5480 2630 5520 2730 7560 2750 7640 2780 7710 2830 7780 2850 7850 7920 8000 8070 8140 8210 8280 10080 10180 10280 10370 10470 10560 10660 10760 10850 10950 11040 11550 11770 12100 12320 12430 12650 I wonder what the port break down of that mainly in the deep water. How many 5k ports how many 7k and so forth. Seems very few have big BR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 The higher the stakes the more varied the hands. Meta fleets will always exist, but the more pressure on the "order of battle" the more variety there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havelock Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 The smarter solution would be to limit PBs by rates, not by BRs. Then we could give the Requin a significantly higher rating and also balance out all those 80BR ships... i mean, Brig and RSH have the same BR, and the only reason for this is the shallow PB 80BR limit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z4ys Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Havelock said: The smarter solution would be to limit PBs by rates, not by BRs. Then we could give the Requin a significantly higher rating and also balance out all those 80BR ships... i mean, Brig and RSH have the same BR, and the only reason for this is the shallow PB 80BR limit. why would anyone use a pickle or big vs an Hrattle? how many ships can you get in more 2 or 3? Changes like that just change the ship meta. Shallow pbs really need a rework. And one flaw is the small BR range which always favors the meta ship. Nerf one meta ship out and you get the next. Its like an hydra. Edited August 23, 2018 by z4ys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 Oh no... not again the 3 tier PBs.... please ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiedemann Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) I took a lot of "artistic liberties" with this one, but it's a start! BR is based on Wiki and my memory, so it's guaranteed to have some mistakes in it. Ship BR now 160 limit Deep *1.3 Lynx 45 40 40 Basic Cutter 50 30 30 Cutter 50 30 30 Privateer 55 55 55 Pickle 60 60 60 Brig 80 80 80 Prince de Neufchatel 80 80 80 Snow 80 80 80 Navy Brig 80 100 100 Rattlesnake Heavy 80 110 110 Mercury 80 110 110 Niagara 80 120 120 Mortar Brig 80 80 80 Le Requin 80 150 150 Hercules 100 160 160 Cerberus 140 140 180 Renommee 150 150 195 Surprise 155 155 200 Frigate 175 175 230 Pirate Frigate 180 180 235 Belle Poule 185 185 240 L'Hermione 190 190 245 Essex 200 200 260 Trincomalee 230 230 300 Endymion 235 235 305 Indefatigable 250 250 325 Ingermanland 275 275 360 Wapen von Hamburg 285 285 370 Constitution 290 290 375 Agamemnon 300 300 390 Wasa 305 305 395 3rd Rate 355 355 460 Bellona 365 365 475 St. Pavel 395 395 515 Bucentaure 450 450 585 Victory 515 515 670 L'Ocean 580 580 755 Santisima 605 605 785 Edited August 23, 2018 by Tiedemann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z4ys Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 @Tiedemann Why should hrattle and merc have the same BR? Why is Niagara only 10BR better than merc and Hrattle? Why prince is worse than navy brig? Why only 10BR difference between Herc and xebec? etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiedemann Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, z4ys said: @Tiedemann Why should hrattle and merc have the same BR? Why is Niagara only 10BR better than merc and Hrattle? Why prince is worse than navy brig? Why only 10BR difference between Herc and xebec? etc? "Artistic liberties" = my partial opinion. This is not based on anything except my opinion right here and now. It changes every minute, so if you expect some well thought formula considering dps, crew and speed then go make your own spreadsheet! 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z4ys Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Tiedemann said: "Artistic liberties" = my partial opinion. This is not based on anything except my opinion right here and now. It changes every minute, so if you expect some well thought formula considering dps, crew and speed then go make your own spreadsheet! 😆 lets consider deepwater br as working. So worst ship (cerb 110BR) and best ship Santi (605BR) makes a ratio of 5.5 Applying that to shallow BR Lynx and Herc ( which i consider worst and best shallow ship) should have a ratio of 5.5 as well Edited August 23, 2018 by z4ys 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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