SteelSandwich Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 The Admiraal de Ruyter was a Dutch 80-gun ship-of-the-line, part of the Wreker Class (translation: Avenger). 7 ships would be build according to Pieter Glavimans' design which was approved by the admiralty in 1795. Supervising the build of the first two vessels, the class' leadship "Wreker" left the dockyard in 1798. Including "Chatham" and "Admiral Zoutman" the first order of the wreker class' vessels was finished in 1800. Impressed by the ships' overall performance another batch of four new vessels were approved by the admiralty. In 1806 "Admiraal de Ruyter" left the dockyard. -Wreker 1798 (Amsterdam) -Chatham 1799 (Rotterdam) -Admiraal Zoutman 1800 (Amsterdam) -Admiraal de Ruyter 1806 (Rotterdam) -De Leeuw 1806 (Amsterdam) -Admiraal de Ruyter 1808 (Amsterdam) -Admiraal Evertsen 1808 (Amsterdam) The measurement of the class (amsterdamse voet): 195 ft x 51 ft x 22 ft In meters: 55.2 x 14.4 x 6.2 Hereby the plans of the Ruyter: Originally the Class was destined to carry 80-gun (pounds are in dutch): Lower gun deck: 36-pounders Upper gun deck: 30-pounders FC&QD: 12-pounders Yet on the plan you can clearly see a flush top deck. For reference, underneath is a ship plan included of how the original 80-gun version looked like (Wreker's plan): The new 90-gun version had an improved armament. Besides the 12-pounder cannons, a series of 36-pounder carronades would be added along the gangways. Excluding the added Carronades the ships' broadside weight was a respectable 1156 british pound (converted from dutch pd). Adding 9 Carronades the broadside weight is boosted by 352 (brit) pound resulting in a total of 1509 brit pound To illustrate the ship a bit more: Sidegallery +stern for both Admiraal de Ruyter as well as Admiraal Evertsen. The stern for the Admiraal de Ruyter, after being renamed to Rotterdam. The bow for Admiraal de Ruyter herself: Over her lifespan she would be renamed several times. Admiraal de Ruyter whilst build Admiraal Piet Hein from launch in 1806 Rotterdam from 1806 (late) Koninklijke Hollander from 1808 (Royal) Hollandais from 1810 (french service) Koninklijke Hollander from 1814 (return to dutch service The reason why she changed names whilst being build is quite interesting. When arriving in the Netherlands, Louis Napoleon visited one of the 1808 ships in construction. In honor of the dutch nation's greatest admiral, he christened the ship Admiraal de Ruyter. Unknown to him at the time, there was already a ship being build who carried the same name, hence why she was immediately (and temporarily) renamed Admiraal Piet Hein. An interesting characteristic of the ship class is that they all utilized a lateen yard instead of a spanker. A incredible model has been made of the Chatham pre-refit. Additional models of the Chatham: Initially it was hard to get a accurate grip on the internals of the ship, regardless of the above shown models. Luckily the Wreker actually has a full set on internals available. To top it off, there is a remarkable drawing of the Admiraal Zoutman in existence, truly gorgeous. Great for paintscheme reference. Another ship designed and build by Pieter Glavimans at the same time which was turned into a model is the 1798 Neptunus(74), which is also great for paintscheme reference. 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancella Dutch de Wildt Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) Master of posts! Seriously love this, never seen this much info about him all together in one post. Keep it up Steel Edited October 30, 2016 by Dutch Langella 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 And I thought the reply to my question was extensive, this is just impressive. Thank you for doing this, I should really ask more questions on ship threads if it gives results like this They better put some dutch into the game now, its not like they don't have the resources. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share Posted October 30, 2016 And I thought the reply to my question was extensive, this is just impressive. Thank you for doing this, I should really ask more questions on ship threads if it gives results like this They better put some dutch into the game now, its not like they don't have the resources. If ever, just ask! Same goes for the black see shipwrecks for me, it's all a fun learning process. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Pocket first rate with 6m draft. Sign me up! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roelandus Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I need this, i want this, i will pay for this ;D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 If you guys like these kind of posts, i'm more than willing to create a few more. Got a lovely corvet series that are quite lovely. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haratik Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Do it Steel, excellent post! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancella Dutch de Wildt Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 If you guys like these kind of posts, i'm more than willing to create a few more. Got a lovely corvet series that are quite lovely. Aye Sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thonys Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) Hi all well...... we have it all...... .The many names Admiraal de Ruyter= Admiraal de Ruiter .The drawings .The looks .The paint .The guns( dutch pounds) .The community wants HER .The 3d module makers are there we have water and the sky,we have the game Do we have to vote on something ??? perhaps the dev s can tell us something on this matter Edited October 31, 2016 by Thonys Removed some white spacing, to help our mobile users. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 BTW: Why didn't these ships use a spanker? Seems rather odd given the build dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 BTW: Why didn't these ships use a spanker? Seems rather odd given the build dates. Im not steel but he talked a bit about it... the simple answer is we dont know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 a lateen yard doubled as a reserve spar when other yards were shot down. However such a lateen rig is by no means easier to use than a spanker. The opposite is here the case. the angle of the windforce is worse etcetc. Overall its a worse design speaking from the sailing ability Images from the 1820s show dutch SoLs using a spanker. As Olav said. We didnt come up with a satisfying answer but most likely it is coming down to tradition and narrow minded people in the admiralty.. (just think about the masts on early dreadnoughts -.-) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Alex Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Stunning ship! We have detailed plans, stern and bow decorations, even colour scheme, everything to model it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancella Dutch de Wildt Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Hi all well...... we have it all...... .The many names Admiraal de Ruyter= Admiraal de Ruiter .The drawings .The looks .The paint .The guns( dutch pounds) .The community wants HER .The 3d module makers are there we have water and the sky,we have the game Do we have to vote on something ??? perhaps the dev s can tell us something on this matter I hear You! Motion seconded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twan Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Fantastic post. IF (and I hope so) this will be the Dutch 1st rate, it will be very interesting to see how the announced leeway implementation will affect this ship sailing hull-down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Fantastic post. IF (and I hope so) this will be the Dutch 1st rate, it will be very interesting to see how the announced leeway implementation will affect this ship sailing hull-down. I think that it would be a second rate. It has less guns than all of the first rates in game, and has less broadside weight as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Connor Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 30lb on upper deck is seriously impressive for a ship the size of the Pavel or a Temeraire... I suppose operating mainly in coastal waters dutch could get away with it, the Russian had some pretty overgunned ships in the black sea too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Is this our Christmas present? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Is this our Christmas present? I wish :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 Is this our Christmas present? Sure, given the interest in dutch ships shown so far i reckon it indeed will be Christmas present. (albeit it likely 2018) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 If Three Decks' unit conversions are correct, this ship draws over half a meter less water than British 74's fitted for Channel service. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Bucentaure: length of gundeck: 55.5m breadth: 14.3m draught (forw): 7m draught (aft): 7.8m Admiraal de Ruyter: length of gundeck: 54.9m breadth: 14.3m draught (forw): 5.9m draught (aft): 6.2m Imo that comparisn is pretty amazing, even tho the admiral is listed in her 80 gun config. They only added a few carronades on the weatherdecks. would not make too much of a difference. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Connor Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Nothing is for free in shipbuilding, dutch ships gained their shallow draught via a squared flatbottom hull profile and being designed to trim on a near even keel, but sharper V-like hulls reduce leeway and ships that trim by the stern are more maneuverable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Altho I would be more than happy to say: yes - its nothing but a rumor. I build this vessel with the intention to send it in to the devs. But that didnt happen. You will be most likely going to be able to vote on this vessel in the next ship poll. Wich is announced soon (TM) (-> end of january +/-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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