April fools - Ships/Pre-Dreadnought-Old ships Thread.

[Cptbarney]

3 minutes ago, VarangianGarde said:

Here's a cool illustration of some of the ironclads we've been discussing:

HMS Devastation top-right.
RM Italia mid-left.

Very, very nice. Would love to see these in the game would add much more variety at the start of the game and allow us some cool and interesting fights in custom battles.

[Marshall99]

8 minutes ago, VarangianGarde said:

Here's a cool illustration of some of the ironclads we've been discussing:

HMS Devastation top-right.
RM Italia mid-left.

Very good idea! And I hope that the dev team will implement some ironclads into the game.

[VarangianGarde]

If you look close, all of them have some version of a ram bow, especially those wacky French designs. Also interestingly, you can see the divergence (or complete lack -looking at you, Italia) of belt armor designs in this period.

[Cptbarney]

Strange to see some of them with such pointed bows, didn't think they had ships like that always assumed they were smoothly curved for the most part.

[Cpt.Hissy]

Would like a separate game dedicated to ironclad era.
Until now, not a single game of decent quality was made for them. I find it strange, as their rapid development and crazy experiments make them almost game-ready,
just put that on a game engine! Unlike dreadnoughts or modern navy that needs oh so many alterations to work as a game.

[VarangianGarde]

Adding another era is definitely another big bite for the devs to take, and I understand if they want to stay focused for now on really nailing the Pre, Post , and Super Dreadnought eras. That being said, I feel like the basic game mechanics for ironclads about 1870 and after work about the same as the aforementioned eras. Yes, you'd have a lot of crazy experimental ships and brief moments where certain techs gain a big advantage, only to go completely by the wayside a few years later.

Would I push for ironclads to get their treatment before the devs have fully fleshed out the 1890 and after period? No. I understand there's a way to go yet on that front. I too would like to a polished game covering a shorter period versus an incomplete game spanning vast ages. What I would ask is that the devs keep in mind this fun and interesting period, as it nicely dovetails with the rest of the game and adds new content and variety. For now, I'd love to see a little gesture here or there in that direction, ala "The First Ironclads" scenario they put out last year. A neat mission involving a hypothetical HMS Devastation vs Caio Duilio, or perhaps HMS Polyphemus' Kronstadt scenario, would be an awesome and interesting addition to the game.

Perhaps we early adopters could be rewarded with an Ironclad expansion, once the main campaign is nicely polished, then sell that expansion to the market at large based on the success of the main game.

Edited March 18, 2021 by VarangianGarde

[VarangianGarde]

19 hours ago, Cpt.Hissy said:

Would like a separate game dedicated to ironclad era.
Until now, not a single game of decent quality was made for them. I find it strange, as their rapid development and crazy experiments make them almost game-ready,
just put that on a game engine! Unlike dreadnoughts or modern navy that needs oh so many alterations to work as a game.

A "Guerre de Fer," if you will?

As a gentleman of science and learned design, the player takes the role of a Jeune Ecole naval architect, wherein design points are awarded based on the gross absorption of snuff and cognac within the bloodstream, and design output determines available cognac and snuff. Pair with occasional society and bureau sidequests and you have an adventure game fit for a man of Blut und Eisen!

 

Bloat your portfolio!

Bloviate before the Board!

Leak to the press!

Wrangle contracts!

Get box seats at the latest Wagner!

🧐

Edited March 18, 2021 by VarangianGarde

[Stormnet]

There is some laughable stuff here, so I dont think mine are that impressive. But I think they can at least make you grin.

 

My post needs a dosage of french pre-dreanoughts. Pre-dreanoughts are already known to be bulky ships, but the french toned them to 11. 

They essentially took the designs from ironclads, broadside frigates, predreanoughts, and literal bunker pillboxes, blended them togheder to come up with something that somehow floats, and called it a day:

 

(Ordered by increasing ridicoulousness and size)

 

The Masséna (thick)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Masséna

 

The Charles Martel (thicker)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Charles_Martel

 

The Carnot (thickest)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Carnot

 

These things are so thick that they can even rival your mama:

 

 

 

Now, moving on, we all know good ol' HMS Dreadnought. You know, the ship that revolutionized battleship design and naval combat?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought_(1906)

 

 

While you might know HMS Dreadnought, you might not know HMS Dreadnought:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought_(1875)

 

Which, besides being quite memable:

"- Mom, I want a HMS Dreadnought.

- We already have a HMS Dreadnought at home.

The HMS Dreadnought at home:"

 

... also looks like a tug-boat on steroids straight from the Clown Car thread. 

 

 

I tried. Here's a pic of another HMS Dreadnought:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought_(1801)

 

...

 

WTF?! There are at least 5 more HMS Dreadnoughts, besides 2 submarine classes and another 2 Dreadnought ships built in the 1500s. I give up. England churns out more Dreadnoughts than Russia churns Kalashnikovs.

Edited March 19, 2021 by Stormnet

[VarangianGarde]

For those that may not have seen it, I'll just leave this here:

 

[Cpt.Hissy]

Can't agree on frenchies. Drach just doesn't like them for brit reasons.
Am planning to design and build a scale model of Massena, quite cute little boat she is. They aren't thicc, even rather opposite, they're just baguette infused.

[VarangianGarde]

If you squint a bit, the Battleship II hull in shipbuilder is Massena-esque.

 

Edited March 19, 2021 by VarangianGarde

[Cdodders]

I've just had a thought. Last year they took us back all the way to the Ironclad Monitors. What if this year they take us into the missile age?

[Cpt.Hissy]

Wouldn't like it.
At this point they were so focused on latest tech hyper monsters that actual dreadnoughts feel like April joke addition already.

On this point.. What if they actually start adding something other than 1940 mega battleships as a joke? heh.

Edited March 22, 2021 by Cpt.Hissy

[Stormnet]

On 3/22/2021 at 2:00 PM, Cpt.Hissy said:

Wouldn't like it.
At this point they were so focused on latest tech hyper monsters that actual dreadnoughts feel like April joke addition already.

On this point.. What if they actually start adding something other than 1940 mega battleships as a joke? heh.

 

I think there might be a way to sorta off satisfy the ultra super hyper dreadnoughts battleship guys while keeping the game somewhat historically realistic. A few days ago I stumbled into this sextuple turret threat. Ridicoulous of course. We didnt even had quintuple turrets, sextuple turrets are out of question!

But then someone in the comment section posted this:

He proposes the stupidly big or ridicoulous hull/turret/gun/casemate/anything designs that never actually existed outside of papers to exist in the game as secret unlockables, easter eggs. In other words, like a cheat code.

This way, the fantasy ship people could play the game to search for these secrets and have them like a cheat code, while realistic people could have a realistic-like experience.

On a normal campaign, anything bigger than a A-150 or a H-39 should be locked by default. (Lets leave these ones in the vanilla campaign as the H-39 was partially built, and the A-150 was seriously thought about and planned. Also leave plans for equally big or smaller classes by other nations as a balancing factor)

But maybe by beating the campaign or beating secret encounters in the game, a hidden boss battle where they fight a massive warship, players could unlock the cheat to get the sextuple turret they want, or the 130k ton displacement ship they wish for.

 

In my opinion this would balance fantasy and realism, but its just my opinion. What do you think?

 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Stormnet

[Cpt.Hissy]

14 minutes ago, Stormnet said:

In my opinion this would balance fantasy and realism, but its just my opinion. What do you think?

Well, as we don't have aviation, and treaties, and economical problems of real history, all that stuff that limited the growth of navies, I do think huge fantasy monster ships not just can, but must be added and also available in campaign.

I just also want to see ironclads, actual dreadnoughts, non-battleship vessels, basically everything other than superbattleships, that was mostly neglected in months.

Or (joke warning!) rename the game to "Ultimate Admiral: Yamatos!"

[Stormnet]

1 hour ago, Cpt.Hissy said:

Well, as we don't have aviation, and treaties, and economical problems of real history, all that stuff that limited the growth of navies, I do think huge fantasy monster ships not just can, but must be added and also available in campaign.

I just also want to see ironclads, actual dreadnoughts, non-battleship vessels, basically everything other than superbattleships, that was mostly neglected in months.

Or (joke warning!) rename the game to "Ultimate Admiral: Yamatos!"

To be honest, I think we are somewhat spoiled right now. We spent(d) nearly the entire academy mission building BBs bigger than Bismark. It will be a punch in the stomach once we realise we can't just make a big BB every ocasion. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Stormnet

[Skeksis]

1 hour ago, Stormnet said:

In my opinion this would balance fantasy and realism, but its just my opinion. What do you think?

Good modern games allow you to set the campaign criteria, all allowances, reloads, limitations and realism level, etc. This enables replayability too, to play the game at multiple levels and in turn giving the game longevity. It’s been posted many times like easy/difficult modes etc. 

And that ‘accommodation’ nearly always satisfies steam reviews too.

Lets see if Dev’s have listen (or already have included such things)  when they drop the campaign.

[Cptbarney]

I hope we get this years April fools 'w'

[VarangianGarde]

9 hours ago, Cptbarney said:

I hope we get this years April fools 'w'

@Nick Thomadis We're looking for an ironclad guarantee!

[Cpt.Hissy]

Drach doesn't stop surprising.

[Wise Donkey]

if the april fools update ever comes.

pls gib Matsushima with hour long reload ❤️

[Fishyfish]

1 hour ago, Wise Donkey said:

if the april fools update ever comes.

pls gib Matsushima with hour long reload ❤️

I second this, however I don't suspect there's going to be one

[madham82]

No update, just a hotfix. See the Alpha 11 thread

[Cptbarney]

;w;

[Cptbarney]

Well, even if we didn't get some oldboags on april. We can still post some more on here. Post any historical, fictional, blueprint, prototype and design ironclads, pre-dreads and 1905-1910 ships you would like too see in general.