LeBoiteux Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 (edited) L'Amarante French 4-pdr Corvette 1747 - 1760 12 guns Dimensions (French feet) : Length between perpendiculars : 84' Breadth overall to outside of frame : 22' Depth in hold from top of the keel to the line of the deck at the middle line : 10' Armament : 12 x 4-pdr Built in Brest by Joseph-Louis Ollivier. Monograph and plans : http://gerard.delacroix.pagesperso-orange.fr/Ama/plaquette.htm Sister ships : La Palme, 1744 and L'Anémone, 1747. http://www.laroyale-modelisme.net/t12151-expo-et-conferences-au-pays-de-saint-malo Source : J. Boudriot, La Créole, p. 19 On 10/23/2017 at 7:03 PM, Malachi said: L' Amarante took part in a scientific expedition to the coasts of Spain and Portugal in 1751 and was one of the ships of the attempted invasion of Ireland in 1759. Edited November 7, 2018 by LeBoiteux 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Can't describe how cute she looks She would make a lovely entry-level ship rigged vessel in game. Great post LeBoiteux! Also here is another drawing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ours Barbu Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Very nice corvette ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Masterviolin Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Aww, its a baby Renommee! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted September 25, 2016 Author Share Posted September 25, 2016 Aww, its a baby Renommee! Indeed ! Same tumblehome. L'Amarante's builder, J.-L. Ollivier, was Blaise Ollivier's son. Blaise built the 8-pdr frigate Le Médée (1740) whose body plan was very similar to La Renommée (1744)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzyhead12 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 we need more smol ships^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara_1812 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 This is the cutest ship I've seen on this forum, a miniature Renomee. Is she from the same shipbuilder? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikard Frederiksen Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 It looks, from cursory research, as though la Renommée was designed and built by a different team, but using the Ollivier family's concepts and ideas. I'm rather surprised that despite my assidiously keeping an eye out on this forum for such little ships that this thread slipped past me. A marvellous little ship sloop, the sort I'd happily sail around in in Naval Action. I would love to go trader hunting in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Jean-Luc Picard Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Good name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 19/10/2017 at 4:07 PM, Malachi said: L' Amarante. Built in 1747, length 84 pieds de roi, 12 * 4-pounders : More pics of this really cool model here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbancourt Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Are these corvettes more sea-worthy than the Snow in the game? I've heard a lot of complaints that the NA Snow is not a real ocean-going vessel, and I'm wondering how these corvettes compare in that way? Edited October 22, 2017 by Barbancourt (rownd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, Barbancourt (rownd) said: Are these corvettes more sea-worthy than the Snow in the game? I've heard a lot of complaints that the NA Snow is not a real ocean-going vessel, and I'm wondering how these corvettes compare in that way? What I know about the sea journeys of French 4-pdr Corvettes carrying about 12 guns and built in the middle of the 18th century (from threedecks.org) : L'Amarante was built in Brest (Brittany) and was wrecked La Palme was built in Brest, 'bound to some part of the West Indies' and captured in the Bay of Biscay by the British La Sardoine was built in Nantes, then also captured in the Bay of Biscay. She then sailed for the West Indies and New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talos Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, Barbancourt (rownd) said: Are these corvettes more sea-worthy than the Snow in the game? I've heard a lot of complaints that the NA Snow is not a real ocean-going vessel, and I'm wondering how these corvettes compare in that way? The real non ocean-going ship is Niagara, which isn't even designed to operate on the open ocean. With a lack of fresh water carriage (on the lake you just put a bucket over the side), she has an unrealistic advantage over other ships that have that carriage designed in. Not to mention she's overrigged for the open ocean. These corvettes should be perfectly seaworthy, even if they can't operate their guns in every sea state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Little sum-up of the 4-pdr French corvettes ('three-masted ships', 'ship sloops') of NA shipyard, built in the middle of the 18th century and carrying between 12-18 guns : The smallest one with a length (pieds du Roi) = 76' : La Perle, 1744 The best-documented one with the most beautifull hull : L'Amarante, 1747 The most powerful one with up to 18 guns (and well-documented too) : La Sardoine, 1757 The one made by the youngest builder, Joseph-Louis Ollivier at the age of 15 : La Palme, 1744 Which one is your favorite ? Edited October 23, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) 19 hours ago, Barbancourt (rownd) said: Are these corvettes more sea-worthy than the Snow in the game? I've heard a lot of complaints that the NA Snow is not a real ocean-going vessel, and I'm wondering how these corvettes compare in that way? They were definitely considered very sea-worthy in their time. L' Amarante took part in a scientific expedition to the coasts of Spain and Portugal in 1751 and was one of the ships of the attempted invasion of Ireland in 1759. La Perle was one of three corvettes - usually used as scouts ahead of the fleet - of the ill-fated d'Enville expedition in 1747, bound for Canada. And as LB already said, La Palme was in the West Indies (this ship was Suffren´s - then aged 16 - first command, by the way). Quote These corvettes should be perfectly seaworthy, even if they can't operate their guns in every sea state. The height of gun port sill isn´t that bad for L' Amarante, La Palme and L' Anémone (ca. four feet) when compared to ships of similar size like Rattlesnake which had just under three feet. But it´s not that you can do much with 4-pounders anyway, other than frightening poor merchant ship captains Quote Which one is your favorite ? L' Anémone Same hull as La Palme and L' Amarante, same builder, too. But she had the nicest looking stern and quarter gallery decoration of the three, in my opinion: http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/mitglieder/themen/schnitzkurs-1/ Edited October 23, 2017 by Malachi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Malachi said: But it´s not that you can do much with 4-pounders anyway, other than frightening poor merchant ship captains Maybe IRL. But in game, you can fight against the Lynx, the Basic Cutter and even the Privateer, the Pickle, the 6-pdr Cutter or the Brig (Fair American) while looking real good. Because those 4-pdr Corvettes definitely look nicer than more modern ships ! Small ships also need love (even if they've already been quite a few in game). They are not newb's ships. They're great. Quite a few players including myself like them (OW hunting, fast combat...). Edited October 23, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Malachi said: L' Anémone Same hull as La Palme and L' Amarante, same builder, too. But she had the nicest looking stern and quarter gallery decoration of the three, in my opinion: http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/mitglieder/themen/schnitzkurs-1/ Thank you, @Malachi as you (almost) answer what should have been my next question and that was : La Palme (1744), L'Anémone and L'Amarante (1747) have been built from the same plan and can be considered as sister ships. According to Delacroix, we are fortunate that the Archives have kept : their shared plan their specific sculpture décoration I know the naval sculpture of L'Amarante (see OP) but not those of La Palme and L'Anémone. Can someone share them ? @Malachi : as the French saying goes, "Les grands esprits se rencontrent" (ppl usually add : "et les petits aussi..." ) Edited October 23, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Malachi said: L' Anémone Same hull as La Palme and L' Amarante, same builder, too. But she had the nicest looking stern and quarter gallery decoration of the three, in my opinion: Speaking of sculpture decoration, I like that of La Sardoine. Sorry for the bad resolution. Certainly only rough drawings of the real decoration (= British plan). 1) Her stern decoration looks a bit 'sober' (= smaller figures, more (?) windows than on L'Anémone ) : shells/flowers + two small sitting putti holding a badge above the windows, a badge similar to that of L'Amarante : La Sardoine Badge of L'Amarante 2) And the figurehead looks identical to that of L'Anémone, the chest and head of a naked woman carrying something (a sardius ?) : La Sardoine L'Anémone Conclusion : nice decoration and heavier armament. I might vote for La Sardoine. I guess there's no available drawings of the decoration of La Sardoine. Edited October 23, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Malachi said: L' Anémone Same hull as La Palme and L' Amarante, same builder, too. But she had the nicest looking stern and quarter gallery decoration of the three, in my opinion: However, some small differences according to Boudriot : La Palme (1744) : Length between perpendiculars : 85.5' Breadth overall to outside of frame : 22.8' Depth in hold from top of the keel to the line of the deck at the middle line : 10.6' L'Anémone and L'Amarante (1747) Length between perpendiculars : 84' Breadth overall to outside of frame : 22' Depth in hold from top of the keel to the line of the deck at the middle line : 10' Ollivier might have made some small modifications between 1744 and 1747. or these feet are not Pieds du Roi : On the other hand, threedecks name them sister ships. And Delacroix ? Edited October 23, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) L'Anémone (sister ship of L'Amarante, see plans and info in OP) French 4-pdr Corvette 1747 12 guns Stern and quarter gallery decoration Ship model : http://5500.forumactif.org/t2348p250-l-anemone-l-amarante-au-1-36-par-eric-lemaillet Edited October 25, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) Here´s another model of L' Anemone: http://www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de/mitglieder/themen/schnitzkurs-1/ On 10/23/2017 at 11:44 PM, LeBoiteux said: On the other hand, threedecks name them sister ships. And Delacroix ? Delacroix also describes them as sister ships in the monograph. It´s very probable that La Palme, L' Anémone and L' Amarante all had the same hull form (maybe even La Perle), but differed very slightly in length and breadth. La Perle had 76', La Palme 85' 5'' and the last two 84' - all in pied de roi Edited April 5, 2019 by Malachi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) Are the original colors of the decoration of these ships known ? As on Malachi's pic above : Royal blue for the background ? Gold for the woodwork and patterns ? White for the drapery ? Pink for the skin ? Edited October 25, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 @admin I am begging you to get one of those in the game. We have so much info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Sella22 said: @admin I am begging you to get one of those in the game. We have so much info 1) Everything on La Palme, L' Anémone and L' Amarante (plans, history, naval sculpture) here : http://gerard.delacroix.pagesperso-orange.fr/Ama/plaquette.htm 2) I'd like to know more on La Sardoine, 1757, especially have a better look on her decoration than what can be seen on her British plans. Slightly bigger than the 3 other, made by another builder and being able to carry up to 18 guns. Edited October 25, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 4 hours ago, LeBoiteux said: Are the original colors of the decoration of these ships known ? As on Malachi's pic above : Royal blue for the background ? Gold for the woodwork and patterns ? White for the drapery ? Pink for the skin ? well, colour schemes are a very difficult subject, but prussian blue or red ocre definitely are the most probable choices for the stern and quarter galleries. And the carvings were painted with Naples yellow (depending on the size and position of the carvings, those were protected by guard irons, by the way). Personally, I'd have gone for red stern, yellow carvings, black wales, red rails and battery painted yellow ocre. But that blue certainly does look nice 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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