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  1. This is the plans used for the American frigate Java/Guerriere/Columbia. It is a slightly upgraded version of Constitution, with six inches more beam, a brand new stern with much heavier stern firepower, and the War of 1812-era updates to bulwarks and head and all.
  2. The real non ocean-going ship is Niagara, which isn't even designed to operate on the open ocean. With a lack of fresh water carriage (on the lake you just put a bucket over the side), she has an unrealistic advantage over other ships that have that carriage designed in. Not to mention she's overrigged for the open ocean. These corvettes should be perfectly seaworthy, even if they can't operate their guns in every sea state.
  3. No, no, this wasn't batty about you, but how the game categorizes things. In the Royal Navy, the most prominent rating system in the English-speaking world, 6th rate in our time frame covers essentially two kinds of ships, the 28-gun frigate and the 20/22-gun post ship, the smallest vessel commanded by a Post Captain. Below that is the "unrated" ship-sloop and brig-sloop, schooners, and other miscellaneous vessels. I'll post some for this later, I was just typing that reply on my cell phone and didn't have my references on hand.
  4. Alas I don't have that much on it, though I did look. My speciality is the Federal Navy! While I haven't found a good set of plans for that design, I did find a few other ships by him with similar dimensions, including USS Congress, made by the same shipyard at the same time, Trumbull, and Effingham. Virginia is probably the closest ship I have plans for, she has nearly identical dimensions to Congress, building at the same shipyard as Montgomery at the same time. Congress (and Virginia) are a couple feet wider than Montgomery, probably why they have 12-pdrs and she only as 9-pdrs.
  5. The unfortunate reality is we have ships for 150 years past the Soleil Royal (picking on it as an example) and ship design and armament improved dramatically in that time period. A 74 like the Bellona from the late 18th century is going to outgun the 104-gun French ship, much less the equivalent rating like Victory or taking into account things like dramatically improved (read: bigger) rigs, better seakeeping, etc. That is the balance mentioned and why 17th century ships don't work.
  6. I was trying not to put too many in a wishlist! Mostly I was just leafing through my copy of Gardiner's Warships of the Napoleonic Wars too.
  7. I didn't realize brig and naval brig were US designs. What were they based on? Prince and Rattlesnake are privateers and not US Navy ships though! Is that the Great Lakes sloop Niagara? The schooner is based off the Lynx too, if I remember correctly. The design I want to see the most is the RN's Cruizer/Snake, in both two and three-masted configurations. Second-most built wooden warship ever. Perfect counterpoint to the Wasp/Hornet too. With only one hull they could get a two-for-one deal in production costs getting it in the game. As far as others, Spain has the brig Vincenjo, wh
  8. If we do the Hornet/Wasp sloops from 1806, it's a good opportunity to use the stern carvings for Hornet I recently uncovered. A rare piece of information for US ships of the era. As before, fullsize images in this gallery. https://imgur.com/a/hAqE8 Wasp and Hornet 1806 Hornet Stern Carvings For comparison, Wasp/Peacock/Frolic of 1813
  9. Responding to a PM, I threw together a gallery of plans of all the US SoLs, both proposed and built. This includes their lines and body plans and fore and aft views. https://imgur.com/a/EamQj And as it's the subject of this thread, here is Ohio from that gallery. Full size is in the gallery.
  10. I already mentioned the first generation 74s that were in service in the 1810s. USS Franklin, Washington (which we don't have plans for), USS Independence, and USS Columbus. Only Columbus was worth anything (though she was a bad sailor, she was the first SoL that was decent), the others were horrible sailors or in the case of the Indy, had to have her lower deck gunports caulked shut because they were so low. Those are the only US 74s in service in the timeline. No, Ohio was not a 1st rate, her armament was much the same as the earlier ships (Columbus had, for instance, 68 x 32-pdrs and 24 x 4
  11. I know, I was mostly pointing out another confirmed armament for her, mostly to point out when she got the 42-pdrs on her Lower and Spar Decks added on.
  12. Yes, that dates back to her refit before she's comissioned into service, not from 1820 when she was launched. She wouldn't have been armed in ordinary. The 1845 information comes from a period gunnery manual that goes through the armament of every US Navy ship. It's the one where I finally confirmed USS Macedonian (ii)'s frigate armament of 42-cwt 32-pdrs after several years of looking (it was a toss-up between 42cwt and 46cwt guns. Constellation got them too, she was the only other 2nd-class frigate). It lists Ohio and all the ships of the Delaware class as having the same armament.
  13. The 1820s is when she was commissioned into Ordinary, that is an empty, unrigged hulk. By 1845 she had 88 guns, including 42-pdrs on the Lower Deck and a few 8" guns on the Lower and Upper Decks, and 22 x 42-pdr carronades on the spar deck.
  14. I'm not entirely sure Ohio /had/ an armament beyond her rated type as a 74, as she was launched into Ordinary. The earliest armament I've seen dates back to the 1830s when she was refit for service. That's the all-32-pdr armament too.
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